Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Simple concept: For all the good play this season, we struggled with a few things, namely: - Keeping clean sheets - Attacking and defending set plays - Passion (at times we were too passive) A Premier League Manager has become available who ticks all these boxes in Tony Pulis. We all know his teams play horrible football and were lucky not to go down, but Stoke did have some good attributes. I am NOT advocating Tony Pulis taking over as Manager, NOR suggesting that Pochettino (who I rate very highly) has done a bad job, or is not the man to take us up the league. What I AM suggesting, is that the Club considers employing him as a Set Piece/Passion Coach on a part time basis to help instill these qualities into our squad. His family is still based in Christchurch so it would be very easily logistically for him and would enable him to keep his hand in at PL level whilst waiting for a new opportunity - most likely in the CCC. We have been poor attacking and defending set plays for a while, and I think he could make a difference in this area. The goal Walters got at WH last season from a corner was probably the best corner routine of the whole season. Wigan away, Chelsea home demonstrate just three of the poor goals we gave away from these situations. Passion wise, his natural passion for the game and no-nonsense style would be an asset even if just in bi-weekly sessions to toughen the players up. MP has commented that we seemed mentally fatigued towards the end of the season and Pulis could help in this area. Not sure he would be interested in the role as a Coach, but worth a shout. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Is a Passion Coach a real role in football pal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 No next question ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Is a Passion Coach a real role in football pal? Not sure, but coaching should target elements of weakness so no need to simply follow the crowds, we are an innovative club and could remove that part from his title if it offends anyone. Essentially TP as a defensive and set play coach, nothing wrong with that IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 I thought you were referring to Terry Paine! Pulis = a big no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 No next question ? Next question is why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Why would Pulis want to play 3rd fiddle to Pochettino and Pérez when he could easily get another management job either in the UK or in North America closer to his family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Pardew was the last good passion coach we had. As for Pulis, there were a few on here earlier in the season who were lauding the merits of TP and Stoke City so I would imagine you will get big support on this thread even if TP is not my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 He's got poo in his name for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Why would Pulis want to play 3rd fiddle to Pochettino and Pérez when he could easily get another management job either in the UK or in North America closer to his family? As Charlie explained, it would be a easy stroll to work in the mornings for him, something which money can't always buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 I thought you were referring to Terry Paine! Pulis = a big no thanks. Its a role for a proper football man, not an Executive Suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Next question is why not? because MP has his own men and needs no help in the motivational department. Also as he was a better defender than Pulis will ever coach he needs no instruction in that department, just players with enough ability to carry out his instructions correctly. As we have seen our players possessing a truely high level of technical ability and footballing nous have been those who have shown the most marked improvement under MP, Morgan,Davis,Cork,Shaw those with very little extra to find have been amongst the most mediocre, Lallana for example and of course Gaston remains the enigma he's always been since he's been with us but I think that's about fitness both physical and mental more than anything else. An English winter can be tough on an organism that isn't adapted to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Its a role for a proper football man, not an Executive Suit. Why would a "proper football man" be happy to take on a part time "passion coach" role that you have just made up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Pulis might even get the job at Wigan if he's interested in it, type of manager who'd get promotion by battering your average NPC team into submission, like West Ham and to some extent Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Why would a "proper football man" be happy to take on a part time "passion coach" role that you have just made up? He would be a defensive coach, work on set plays and instilling passion to the team. Plus - if you actually read what I said, I clearly said that I am not sure if he would like this role. However, it is very close to his family base and would keep him on the training ground of a PL club. As I also said, this would be a casual arrangement until he might find a suitable managerial job. I have no idea if he would be keen, but its an interesting idea seeing as our attacking and defending of set plays last year was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 As Charlie explained, it would be a easy stroll to work in the mornings for him, something which money can't always buy. Plus he'd be the first passion coach in the UK outside of the porn industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 But isn´t Stoke´s set pieces about hoofing it high in the air (some people would say that the ball comes down with snow onto it) and than make players fight for it rather than whip the balls into the areas? We dont have that height in our squad so what could he help us with, seriously....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 But isn´t Stoke´s set pieces about hoofing it high in the air (some people would say that the ball comes down with snow onto it) and than make players fight for it rather than whip the balls into the areas? We dont have that height in our squad so what could he help us with, seriously....? Are you joking? Stoke's attacking set plays are reliant on good delivery (certainly been much better than ours) and then clever movement/blocking to get someone on the end of it. Likewise from defensive scenarios its about being well setup and not giving away cheap goals from free headers like Caldwell and Terry scored against us or cheap scrappy goal like Maloney's equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 The reasons Stoke kept a lot of clean sheets was because the whole team was set up to do that, i.e. keep as many people behind the ball as possible. This season Pulis's away strategy against anyone higher than Wigan has essentially been park the bus and hope to score from a punt or freekick. Keep the defence deep and narrow to restrict the space in behind them. Then you have two giant centre-backs and a giant keeper that should in theory be able to deal with the inevitable crosses that come in. (as this is the most logical way to attack a deep lying, narrow defensive unit) Doesn't exactly work well with a manager that wants to play attacking, possession based football that looks to press high up the pitch and play a high line. A massive contrast in football styles, in fact probably the complete opposite of each other. Attacking/Defending set pieces maybe but we don;t benefit from a whole team of giants who have been signed mainly for their size/heading ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Not enough clean sheets, throughout the season maybe, but in last 5 games away from home only let in 2 goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 He would be a defensive coach, work on set plays and instilling passion to the team. Plus - if you actually read what I said, I clearly said that I am not sure if he would like this role. However, it is very close to his family base and would keep him on the training ground of a PL club. As I also said, this would be a casual arrangement until he might find a suitable managerial job. I have no idea if he would be keen, but its an interesting idea seeing as our attacking and defending of set plays last year was poor. Not sure why you don't just suggest Jose Mouriho or the spirit of Bobby Robson channelled through an old lawnmower for the role instead. Both just as worth discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Not enough clean sheets, throughout the season maybe, but in last 5 games away from home only let in 2 goals Maybe with TP involved we would have let in zero goals? Always room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 He'd probably bring his son back for a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 TP to every Saints Fan has stood, stands. and will forever stand for TERRY PAINE. Saint_Charlie. you're losing it mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Pulis is a Skate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 TP to every Saints Fan has stood, stands. and will forever stand for TERRY PAINE. Saint_Charlie. you're losing it mate There is no underscore in Saint Charlie pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 TP to every Saints Fan has stood, stands. and will forever stand for TERRY PAINE. Saint_Charlie. you're losing it mate It is Tony Pulis' initials too though. Doesn't mean I think any less of TP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 What makes you think that our squad lacks passion? And what on earth makes you think that the man to instil it is Tony Pulis? Stoke were a lot of things this season but passionate was not one of them and that's part of the reason he's gone. I have no idea why everyone thinks passion is synonymous with tall centre halves and dirty tackles. We have an incredibly motivated, hard-working group who seem to like each other and work for each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 There's a huge difference between forming and coaching a good defence, and setting up your whole side to avoid conceding goals. Same with McLeish at Birmingham. Dann and Johnson weren't good CBs really, they just had an extra back 4 in front of them. Stoke are a massive side of hard tackling good in the air players. You're going to concede fewer goals in the air, set pieces etc. It's not worth sacrificing your whole game for. Our defence can improve, it has already, but I'd rather we improve making use of all our possession and being more ruthless with finishing. Better finishing and eliminating about half of the horrific faux-pas at the back would bring us at less 10 more points if not more.Why just the 2 Gazza clangers cost us 4, a little less intervention from Jos sticking feet out where they're not needed another couple or so and as for the wasted chances,well the sky's really the limit. I'd say that just Lallana's poor finishing of very convertable chances has cost us at least 6 points this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 (edited) If we're going to look for an out of work manager to take up a coaching role I'd rather we went for like likes of Di Matteo or Poyet. Not bloody Pulis!!! Edited 29 May, 2013 by Golden Balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 If we're going to look for an out of work manager to take up a coaching role I'd rather we went for like likes of Di Matio or Poyet. Not bloody Pulis!!! Is Poyet out of work then, hadn't heard that, thought he was just suspended for a bit. Di Matteo is a bit choosy though seemingly, waiting for the right job no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 If you can accuse a Champions League-winning manager who doesn't want to take an assistant coach role at Southampton of being 'a bit choosey'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 If you can accuse a Champions League-winning manager who doesn't want to take an assistant coach role at Southampton of being 'a bit choosey'... Based more on him having turned down Reading without seemingly much reflection. That's a crap job but at the time he might have had illusions about keeping them up and moving on from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Nope but i'd take Shawcross instead, think he'd make more difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 He would be about as much use to us as his son was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Not sure why you don't just suggest Jose Mouriho or the spirit of Bobby Robson channelled through an old lawnmower for the role instead. Both just as worth discussing. This. Saint Charlie is either on drugs or on drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Absolutely hilarious wind up thread as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Nope but i'd take Shawcross instead, think he'd make more difference. Not sure if he is ready to retire to a passion coaching role. He is only 25ish isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Maybe with attacking dead ball situations we should let the only player in the team that is able to hit a dead ball with accuracy take them. Lambert will be missed in the middle but most of the time the delivery is so poor he doesn't get near it anyway, so with him delivering the ball in with pace, we may actually become better and get something out of it. Either that or buy a player with a lethal delivery. Lallana couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Maybe with attacking dead ball situations we should let the only player in the team that is able to hit a dead ball with accuracy take them. Lambert will be missed in the middle but most of the time the delivery is so poor he doesn't get near it anyway, so with him delivering the ball in with pace, we may actually become better and get something out of it. Either that or buy a player with a lethal delivery. Lallana couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Not a bad idea. The delivery IMO is the main problem. Ramirez sometimes swings them in with pace and Davis is better than Lallana, whose delivery is terrible, no pace or whip on itl. Sadly, the best taker we have is Fox who obviously we don't want to be able to take them most games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Not sure if he is ready to retire to a passion coaching role. He is only 25ish isn't he? Can passion coaching not be done alongside playing? I advocate giving him a large stick to motivate those players not showing enough passion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Not a bad idea. The delivery IMO is the main problem. Ramirez sometimes swings them in with pace and Davis is better than Lallana, whose delivery is terrible, no pace or whip on itl. Sadly, the best taker we have is Fox who obviously we don't want to be able to take them most games! Err what have you been watching this year? Ramirez's set pieces have been a nightmare, in fact they got him subbed off once im quite sure! Lallana's have been ok, he's not beckham but has set up a few decent chances and is often the best available option on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Not a bad idea. The delivery IMO is the main problem. Ramirez sometimes swings them in with pace and Davis is better than Lallana, whose delivery is terrible, no pace or whip on itl. Sadly, the best taker we have is Fox who obviously we don't want to be able to take them most games! Which pretty much says it all. Lambert for me. Ramirez really disappointed me with his corners and most of his free kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Err what have you been watching this year? Ramirez's set pieces have been a nightmare, in fact they got him subbed off once im quite sure! Lallana's have been ok, he's not beckham but has set up a few decent chances and is often the best available option on the pitch. If you read above it says "The delivery is the main problem IMO. Ramirez sometimes swings them in with pace." This is entirely true, our delivery has been poor all year as I said, but I have been at games where Ramirez took some excellent inswinging corners, but he isnt consistent enough and has taken some poor ones too. Lallana has been the worst corner taker this season by some distance IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2013 From what Im hearing this might not be overly far-fetched. Will be interested to see the OS Gallery of the first day of training... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 From what Im hearing this might not be overly far-fetched. Will be interested to see the OS Gallery of the first day of training... If correct, then this was a very good shout, Saint Charlie. Didn't see this thread before it was bumped. A lot of what you say makes sense. Can you speak any more on how you might be hearing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Just typed 'Passion Coach' into Google. I suggest we forget Pulis and hire Dr Vena Ramphal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2013 If correct, then this was a very good shout, Saint Charlie. Didn't see this thread before it was bumped. A lot of what you say makes sense. Can you speak any more on how you might be hearing this? Just an ITK hunch on this one. With someone of that style as a passion coach our glass ceiling is removed IMO. Hopefully doing some set piece drills today. Not Pulis however, but a coach will be doing some passion drills throughout pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Well I am sure. No-one is that bonkers to fly this as a serious suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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