Jonnyboy Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 If you were there in 1976 then the answer is very clear. Also, the history books will always show that have you won something. Fourth place in the PL is not winning.....do we celebrate 2nd in the 80's? Anyway, the CL will probably be re-branded in future, as the Fairs Cup, UEFA Cup, Cup Winners Cup, and the European Cup were. Therefore, what's the point in celebrating qualification for the preliminary rounds of some competition whose name will change continuously over the next 50 years - one that we will never win. I would take the FA Cup and a sojourn into the Europa any day. Yes, Arsenal are embarrassing, and if I were an Arsenal fan I would question why the club disrespect the FA Cup as a competition. 50,000 Saints fans had a great day out for the JPT. Imagine the excitement for the real thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 If you were there in 1976 then the answer is very clear. Also, the history books will always show that have you won something. Fourth place in the PL is not winning.....do we celebrate 2nd in the 80's? Anyway, the CL will probably be re-branded in future, as the Fairs Cup, UEFA Cup, Cup Winners Cup, and the European Cup were. Therefore, what's the point in celebrating qualification for the preliminary rounds of some competition whose name will change continuously over the next 50 years - one that we will never win. I would take the FA Cup and a sojourn into the Europa any day. Yes, Arsenal are embarrassing, and if I were an Arsenal fan I would question why the club disrespects the FA Cup as a competition. 50,000 Saints fans had a great day out for the JPT. Imagine the excitement for the real thing? I am a football fan and therefore I want to see my glorious team win something rather than make a few million quid which would be quickly spent in the pursuit of the unattainable. Leeds, Leeds, Leeds…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timayes Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup for sure. Who still talks about the great day at the millennium stadium even though it was a defeat? Certainly more than talk about the defeat in the UEFA cup that followed it. Imagine winning the cup again - that would be awesome, and defo better than playing in a quali match for the champion league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Interesting question, 4th place doesn't = Champions League as we'd have to qualify for the tournament proper. That is why I went for FA Cup. If the question was 2nd place V FA cup, I'd have chosen 2nd place. This really. An actual cup win as well as an European adventure to a qualification round to the CL in which we would be unseeded - no contest for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 A win in the FA Cup final against one of the top 4 would be fantastic! Now ask the question staying up or FA Cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA cup as the stepping stone into Europe. Win the Europa Cup then by that time the winners of that qualify for the CL the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA cup as the stepping stone into Europe. Win the Europa Cup then by that time the winners of that qualify for the CL the following season. Very good point! Sounds easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 The FA Cup of tradition - FA Cup The FA Cup of 2013 significance in the game - 4th WTF have the FA and TV rights done to the greatest footballing occasion of the calendar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 I'm ambitious/greedy. Can't I have both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Most on here will say fourth. Most people on here aren't normal. You could spend 5 quid on a couple of pizzas and it would be more worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Or not. Just ask Leeds fans, they haven't looked back since playing in the champions league have they. A greater case can be made for the skates, FA Cup winners 5 years ago, finalists 3 ago and now languishing in league 2. Wimbledon won but now don't exist, Boro finalists and bet they would have preferred 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Most people on here aren't normal. You could spend 5 quid on a couple of pizzas and it would be more worthwhile. Precisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 A greater case can be made for the skates, FA Cup winners 5 years ago, finalists 3 ago and now languishing in league 2. Wimbledon won but now don't exist, Boro finalists and bet they would have preferred 4th. Not really. Some people on here think scraping 4th is the gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place for me. Because it would (probably) indicate a sensational long-term future for the club. If we are strong enough to get 4th in the league next year, we'll win a cup soon enough, I'd think. If we just have a single great CUp run, but end up 14th again, that would count as a great season, but wouldn't really mean we're moving forwards in a big way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup. Where is the fun in scraping into 4th place in one competiton you've got no chance of winning to earn the right to enter another competition you've got no chance of winning, I found it cringeworthy seeing Arsenal players and fans leaping around like they'd won the World Cup when they clinched fourth place last week. I'd be embarrassed acting like that if I was them. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup. Where is the fun in scraping into 4th place in one competiton you've got no chance of winning to earn the right to enter another competition you've got no chance of winning, I found it cringeworthy seeing Arsenal players and fans leaping around like they'd won the World Cup when they clinched fourth place last week. I'd be embarrassed acting like that if I was them. Do you think this could be more to do with the players wanting to compete in club footballs biggest competition? Long hard season and missing out of top 4 would have also seen many of them leaving the club to play in the champions league. They also just secured another huge amount of money, that I believe they will use this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 I'd take an FA Cup win and 17th next season.... I'd do anything to see Saints win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th all day long. To finish 4th would be a far greater achievement than winning the cup.To finish in the top 4 will need a major step up in quality from where we are now,whereas we could take a step back in terms of quality and still win the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Now let me see win a trophy or come forth??? I'd take an FA cup win over forth every time. In forty years time will they be discussing how Arsenal had a great ten year period always coming forth & qualifying for the champions league? No but they will be talking about how lowly Wigan outclassed the mighty Man City to WIN the FA cup. They still talk today about the big cup upsets Sunderland, Saints, West Ham, Wimbledon. A win puts you in the history books & can never be taken away. No one looks at how many times you finished in the top four. However a top four finish is not to be sneezed at & if we don't win the cup next year I'd settle for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place. Probably about £40m extra income. Picking up nearly 80 points would make a cracking season. Might win the cup without playing a Premier side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Off topic slightly but I think that FA Cup winner should take the '3rd' champions league spot, therefore automatically qualifying and 3rd place should get the '4th' spot and have to go through the qualifying. Then maybe people will care about the cup abit more and stop celebrating a 4th place finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 100% FA is an easy decision, big whoop we qualified 4th so have Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and spurs, None of them have 'cemented' themselves. So yeah FA cup win followed by Europa cup win then! The champions league easy haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Got to be 4th. What a cracking season that would be, and what an achievement. Also, as pointed out above, it would suggest that we are moving to another level, lots more money in the CL, probably a better choice of player available to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Not really. Some people on here think scraping 4th is the gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter, it isn't. Which people think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterlooville saint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FACup for me, great day out, win a trophy, qualify for a European competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place every time. CL is what will get the players in that we need to press on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place, would love us to win an FA cup but where does it get you these days? Means a lot less in modern football than it used to. 4th would actually be a much bigger achievement and give the club the opportunity to kick on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place for me. Those saying we wouldn't win a trophy, we didn't win a trophy in the previous two years when we finished 2nd and 2nd but they were probably my most enjoyable seasons being a supporter of Saints. Also, those saying Arsenal are an embarrassment for celebrating fourth, I think you have to remember the manner in which they won it; written off by everybody after being completely out of it and pipping their biggest rivals on the last day of the season is worthy of celebration to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place, would love us to win an FA cup but where does it get you these days? Means a lot less in modern football than it used to. I don't know, I think it means just as much to the fans of the winning club but the rest of the country isn't quite so concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Which people think that? Read the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup. Still ****es me off a fair bit that we let the Championship slip last season, would have loved to have Saints name on that old trophy for eternity. Same goes for scraping through out of League One. JPT was nice but going up as Champions to the Prem would have been a great achievement (we'll gloss over the fact that it did Reading no good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place, would love us to win an FA cup but where does it get you these days? Means a lot less in modern football than it used to. 4th would actually be a much bigger achievement and give the club the opportunity to kick on. So you dont think Man City kicked on after winning the FA Cup a couple of years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Read the thread. Ok, just checked. Nobody said it. A few people suggesting that 4th could be good for getting extra income, chance to sign better players and giving ourselves a chance to progress. Oh dear you haven't just made something up again have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Ok, just checked. Nobody said it. A few people suggesting that 4th could be good for getting extra income, chance to sign better players and giving ourselves a chance to progress. Oh dear you haven't just made something up again have you? Singing better players, a chance to progress. What does progressing from finish 4th look like if its not greater success? Oh dear, failed to get it again haven't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 4th place, would love us to win an FA cup but where does it get you these days? Means a lot less in modern football than it used to. 4th would actually be a much bigger achievement and give the club the opportunity to kick on. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup, no contest. Finishing 4th maybe a lot tougher ask in reality but it aint actually winning anything. Can't see those extra millions helping me out much either, a trophy in the bank would mean so much more as a fan than a healthy balance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 So you dont think Man City kicked on after winning the FA Cup a couple of years ago? Yeh cos Man City are a great example aren't they, their success is clearly built on that FA Cup win, not the millions and millions they have spent. Totally stupid argument, but you are trolling as per usual because people don't agree with you, every other fricking post is yours. Look at the non top 4 FA Cup finalists of recent years they are nowhere, Wigan are relegated, Portsmouth in league 2, Stoke in a relegation battle this year, Cardiff just got out of the championship, Millwall still in the championship. Spurs got in the champs league and are still around the top 6, same with Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Singing better players, a chance to progress. What does progressing from finish 4th look like if its not greater success? Oh dear, failed to get it again haven't you. Is progressing from 4th a "gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Yeh cos Man City are a great example aren't they, their success is clearly built on that FA Cup win, not the millions and millions they have spent. Totally stupid argument, but you are trolling as per usual because people don't agree with you, every other fricking post is yours. Look at the non top 4 FA Cup finalists of recent years they are nowhere, Wigan are relegated, Portsmouth in league 2, Stoke in a relegation battle this year, Cardiff just got out of the championship, Millwall still in the championship. Spurs got in the champs league and are still around the top 6, same with Everton. So other than Man City, who you rightly say aren't a great example because of the hundreds of millions spent, which clubs have 'kicked on' after finishing 4th once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 Is progressing from 4th a "gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter" then? What would you consider progress from finishing 4th then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 (edited) Is progressing from 4th a "gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter" then? Spurs would say no. It depends on what the clubs around you are doing. You may be able to have a good season and get into a european place but if a rival gets taken over by Opec and pushes you out it can be difficult to fight back in, regardless of how you are being run. Everton also saw the flip side, as St Chalet stated above, 4th just gets you into the qualifying stages, if you have no European pedigree you will face a harsh tie due to the ceedings. Everton couldn't get past a Villareal team in full flight. If it was Saints having a storming upturn in fortunes we would be in the same boat, facing a Valencia, A Steaua Bucharest, a Benfica. The FA Cup win is a glory day, something to remember forever. A fourth place finish only gives you the certainty of a Europa League place. Edited 27 May, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 What would you consider progress from finishing 4th then? I would say that consistency at that level, and cup success would represent progressing from a one season in 4th. I guess if you could achieve that for a few years you'd be looking at trying to win the league and a run in the CL. It's all hypothetical, as per the ops question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 (edited) I would say that consistency at that level, and cup success would represent progressing from a one season in 4th. I guess if you could achieve that for a few years you'd be looking at trying to win the league and a run in the CL. It's all hypothetical, as per the ops question. So cup success would be seen as progress would it??!! And then after finishing fourth we'd be looking at cup success and then win the premier league and champions league run. So when you attempted to mock me for saying that people think finishing 4th was the gateway to glory and we'd don what no other club had done and progress from a one off 4th place finish, you then go onto say that you'd expect us to win cups and challenge for the premier league as progress from this, thanks for showing up and proving me right by your own admission, good work sunshine. Edited 27 May, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 FA Cup. Where is the fun in scraping into 4th place in one competiton you've got no chance of winning to earn the right to enter another competition you've got no chance of winning, I found it cringeworthy seeing Arsenal players and fans leaping around like they'd won the World Cup when they clinched fourth place last week. I'd be embarrassed acting like that if I was them. This. I was in Manchester watching with some united fans and they all commented on how it was a sign of how far they have fallen when they are celebrating finishing fourth. Pathetic for a club like Arsenal to behave like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 No, no, no. You asked me what progress would be from finishing fourth, and I told you that. I didn't say that I "expect" it to happen, and that it was the "gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter", only that it would represent progress. I mocked you because you made up a statement, as is your way, stating that people had said that finishing 4th would be a gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter, when in fact nobody had said that. You then mocked people for saying it, when it was you that had made it up. It's what you do, you mock the "mongoard" as you so charmingly call it by generalising about some sort of group consencous that doesn't exist and then mocking it in an attempt, presumably, to make yourself feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 No, no, no. You asked me what progress would be from finishing fourth, and I told you that. I didn't say that I "expect" it to happen, and that it was the "gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter", only that it would represent progress. I mocked you because you made up a statement, as is your way, stating that people had said that finishing 4th would be a gateway to glory and non stop success thereafter, when in fact nobody had said that. You then mocked people for saying it, when it was you that had made it up. It's what you do, you mock the "mongoard" as you so charmingly call it by generalising about some sort of group consencous that doesn't exist and then mocking it in an attempt, presumably, to make yourself feel better? Nice try, you say yourself that progress from 4th, which a lot of people have described as 'kicking on' in your eyes would mean winning trophies, including the league eventually and runs in the champions league, if winning the league and cups isn't glory what is? Several on here seemed to believe a 4th place finish would enable that to happen, ie be 'the gateway' your own definition of 'kicking on' or 'progress' has proven this. Not gone well for you this thread has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100% Saint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 DAFUQ!!!I thought it was going to be 50-50. The FA cup=1 million 4th=75 or something million. We would become a big club, we could be in the Champions League. If we get top 4. It would make our fan base way bigger, we could expand the stadium and try out safe standing. I know that the FA cup you get to go to Wembley, have Southampton engraved in the trophy again, the bus parade. I am split but top 4 is more appealing as we could do what Wigan have done. Au revoir Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100% Saint Posted 27 May, 2013 Share Posted 27 May, 2013 DAFUQ!!!I thought it was going to be 50-50. The FA cup=1 million 4th=75 or something million. We would become a big club, we could be in the Champions League. If we get top 4. It would make our fan base way bigger, we could expand the stadium and try out safe standing. I know that the FA cup you get to go to Wembley, have Southampton engraved in the trophy again, the bus parade. I am split but top 4 is more appealing as we could do what Wigan have done. Au revoir Wigan. Correct me if i'm wrong on the prize money plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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