Luke Shaw injured again and out of England U21 Euro 2013 squad.

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

http://www.thefa.com/england/mens-under-21s/News/2013/andros-townsend-withdraws-euros.aspx

[Window Cleaner]

http://www.thefa.com/england/mens-under-21s/News/2013/andros-townsend-withdraws-euros.aspx

 

how did he do that then, lifting heavy bags of shopping ? Going to be plagued with injury all of his career as likely as not, take the money and get a man onto the job.

Edited 24 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[Sour Mash]

That's three squads he's been in and pulled out injured every time? Doubt the England management will be too happy about that.

[Saint Charlie]

Probably the fact he is still carrying injuries from this season.

 

Would imagine this will benefit us, he can have a proper rest after a very tough debut season as a pro.

[Window Cleaner]

That says more about you than it does his injury potential.

 

so what ? Don't like us relying on this wonder boy and have to keep using the useless Fox every time he gets injured. there are players who we could get for half of the ridiculous sums being quoted for Shaw who could do just as good a job and probably more often. If it was down to me I'd take any ridiculous offer for one of our wonder kids that we get because at the end of the day they never stay long anyway.

[Matthew Le God]

so what ? Don't like us relying on this wonder boy and have to keep using the useless Fox every time he gets injured. there are players who we could get for half of the ridiculous sums being quoted for Shaw who could do just as good a job and probably more often. If it was down to me I'd take any ridiculous offer for one of our wonder kids that we get because at the end of the day they never stay long anyway.

 

Is £10m really "ridiculous" for Luke Shaw? I think that seriously undervalues him. Did you think the same when we sold Bale for a package potentially worth upto £10m? I think Shaw looks better than Bale did at the same age for us.

[Window Cleaner]

Is £10m really "ridiculous" for Luke Shaw? I think that seriously undervalues him. Did you think the same when we sold Bale for a package potentially worth upto £10m? I think Shaw looks better than Bale did at the same age for us.

But Bale has never had recurrent injury problems. Anyway we were in the Championship and had no chance of holding on to him.

Spurs will have a job keeping him as well now that they're not in the CL. Every player wants to rise to his maximum level and in Bale's case that's got to be CL football because with Wales he's never going to shine at a major championship. I'd take 10 million upwards for Shaw yes and buy Danny Rose and a back up for him..

[Pilchards]

Told you a while back that he was carrying an injury and was being forced to play at 85% because we had nobody else.

I expect an operation will clear the problem for the start of the new season.

[Window Cleaner]

Told you a while back that he was carrying an injury and was being forced to play at 85% because we had nobody else.

I expect an operation will clear the problem for the start of the new season.

 

 

Hope that goes better for him than it has for Jack Wilshere then. Says a lot for the quality of Richardson then doesn't it. A kid at 85% and probably with injections to boot is better than Clyne on the left (which seemed to be not too bad) and our reserve RB at err RB.

[The Kraken]

Shame for the lad but from a selfish POV not particularly distressed that he won't be spending the summer playing footy and can instead put his feet up. Plenty of time yet for the U21s, let alone the full side.

[Matthew Le God]

But Bale has never had recurrent injury problems.

 

Shaw has missed some matches for club/country through illness, that doesn't make him "injury prone". Nor do we know the full background behind his previous injuries, just because a player has a few injuries that doesn't mean he is injury prone. In any case, not sure why that means he should be sold.

 

Anyway we were in the Championship and had no chance of holding on to him.

 

And now with Shaw, we have Premier League status and seemingly a rich and very ambitious owner and chairman.

 

I'd take 10 million upwards for Shaw yes and buy Danny Rose and a back up for him.

 

Even if the club has more than enough funding to push forwards by keeping Shaw and bringing other players?

Edited 24 May, 2013 by Matthew Le God

[Appy]

But Bale has never had recurrent injury problems. Anyway we were in the Championship and had no chance of holding on to him.

Spurs will have a job keeping him as well now that they're not in the CL. Every player wants to rise to his maximum level and in Bale's case that's got to be CL football because with Wales he's never going to shine at a major championship. I'd take 10 million upwards for Shaw yes and buy Danny Rose and a back up for him..

 

Bale had loads of injuries at the start of his career.

[Saint-Armstrong]

But Bale has never had recurrent injury problems. Anyway we were in the Championship and had no chance of holding on to him.

Spurs will have a job keeping him as well now that they're not in the CL. Every player wants to rise to his maximum level and in Bale's case that's got to be CL football because with Wales he's never going to shine at a major championship. I'd take 10 million upwards for Shaw yes and buy Danny Rose and a back up for him..

 

You would not get Danny Rose and a good back-up option for £10m. You'd also be underselling Shaw.

[Window Cleaner]

You would not get Danny Rose and a good back-up option for £10m. You'd also be underselling Shaw.

 

Still don't think we should be reliant on him as our number 1 LB, don't think he has all of Bale's qualities at this stage, certainly not his dead ball skills. There are better left backs than Luke Shaw in his current state about.

Edited 24 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[SaintBobby]

Shame he's been so injury prone. I do wonder the maximum number of games we could expect him to play next season if he stays. If we push him too hard, we risk more - and worse - injuries.

[Matthew Le God]

Shame he's been so injury prone.

 

How can you say that without knowing the full details of his injury record?

 

Shaw has missed some matches for club/country through illness, catching a virus doesn't make him "injury prone". He's also had a couple of injuries, but without knowing the full details you can't call him injury prone. If for example someone does a reckless tackle on you in training and you get injured that doesn't mean by default you prone to such injuries.

[Batman]

Shame for the lad but from a selfish POV not particularly distressed that he won't be spending the summer playing footy and can instead put his feet up. Plenty of time yet for the U21s, let alone the full side.

 

indeed. played a great deal of footy for someone his age. Good for all concerned that he has the summer off so to speak.

he will get plenty of caps from next season, I have no doubt

[The Kraken]

indeed. played a great deal of footy for someone his age. Good for all concerned that he has the summer off so to speak.

he will get plenty of caps from next season, I have no doubt

Exactly right TDD. Expecting a 17 year old to be an ever present in a PL club side (and then go on a summer tour) is mental.

[Lighthouse]

If anything I'd be happier seeing less of Shaw next season. Not because I don't rate him but I don't want him to end up like Lee Holmes, chucked into the side as a teenager and being pretty much ever present. It's not good for a young player to suddenly start playing games of such high intensity this regularly. Hardly surprising he's had injuries the amount he has played, Bale had a similar issue for us and was injured regularly in his first season at Spuds.

 

Sadly Fox's inadequacies have necessitated Shaw's involvement more than I think is sensible. Hopefully that will be remedied next season.

[LostBoys]

We have overplayed him through necessity. He is only 17 and you cannot play as many top class games as he had at that age. He needs a rest and then a thorough pre-season and a reduced number of games next year.

[Window Cleaner]

We have overplayed him through necessity. He is only 17 and you cannot play as many top class games as he had at that age. He needs a rest and then a thorough pre-season and a reduced number of games next year.

 

so if he's going to sit on the bench somewhere he might as well go and do it at Chelsea for 100k () a week.

 

:rolleyes:

[The Kraken]

so if he's going to sit on the bench somewhere he might as well go and do it at Chelsea for 100k () a week.

 

:rolleyes:

Flawless logic.

[pangy]

Probably doesn't want to fail his medical at Chelsea in a few weeks ;-)

[This Charming Man]

Pearce made some remark last time he pulled out of the squad with injury, doubt he'll be too pleased with this either!

 

On the plus-side, at least we keep Shaw away from Pearce - one of the most tactically inept 'managers' to ever grace the game.

[ART]

Probably doesn't want to fail his medical at Chelsea in a few weeks ;-)

 

More likely he wants to go on holiday with his mates and feel this will do him a whole lot better than pushing things too far.

[tajjuk]

Still don't think we should be reliant on him as our number 1 LB, don't think he has all of Bale's qualities at this stage, certainly not his dead ball skills. There are better left backs than Luke Shaw in his current state about.

 

He's a better defender than Bale was at his age, defends and reads the game with a lot of maturity for someone who's only 17.

 

To be honest a lot fullbacks are a lot better offensively than they are defensively these days, especially English ones - Gibbs, Johnson, Walker etc. He's already developed his attacking game a lot over one season, he'll also get quicker as he gets stronger and older.

 

 

He's probably still growing, it will take him a while for his body to fully mature so I would expect a few of these little knocks that older pros would probably shake off more easily. Bale had the exact same problems at Spurs which partly explained why he struggled to hold a regular place at Spurs the first few years.

 

Hopefully he'll get a good rest and a good pre-season now. Wilshere suffered from going to the U21 tourny didn't he?

[Window Cleaner]

He's a better defender than Bale was at his age, defends and reads the game with a lot of maturity for someone who's only 17.

 

To be honest a lot fullbacks are a lot better offensively than they are defensively these days, especially English ones - Gibbs, Johnson, Walker etc. He's already developed his attacking game a lot over one season, he'll also get quicker as he gets stronger and older.

 

 

He's probably still growing, it will take him a while for his body to fully mature so I would expect a few of these little knocks that older pros would probably shake off more easily. Bale had the exact same problems at Spurs which partly explained why he struggled to hold a regular place at Spurs the first few years.

 

Hopefully he'll get a good rest and a good pre-season now. Wilshere suffered from going to the U21 tourny didn't he?

 

Bale's principal problem at Spurs was a foot injury caused by contact. Shaw's ills seem much more diverse, think it's supposed to be a back injury this time. Wasn't it calf or thigh last time and ankle the time before ?

[The Kraken]

Pearce made some remark last time he pulled out of the squad with injury, doubt he'll be too pleased with this either!

 

On the plus-side, at least we keep Shaw away from Pearce - one of the most tactically inept 'managers' to ever grace the game.

Indications are that Pearce will be out of a job by summer; only the U21s winning the tournament can save his job. Good. Any manager that plays a goalkeeper up front ahead of another sub striker (for his club and country on 2 separate occasions) has no business developing the best young talent in England. Good riddance.

[Wrensup]

This can only benefit us I see it, might prevent any potential for burn out... Plus! Will save him for the World Cup eh!

[Window Cleaner]

This can only benefit us I see it, might prevent any potential for burn out... Plus! Will save him for the World Cup eh!

 

WC 2022 perhaps.

[Wrensup]

WC 2022 perhaps.

Perhaps even 2018, at the ripe age of 22/23 ish.

[Window Cleaner]

Perhaps even 2018, at the ripe age of 22/23 ish.

 

depends on Cole, Coleman and Rose perhaps. I think Danny Rose will become england's number 1 left back in the foreseeable future and probably for the foreseeable future.

[Wrensup]

Cole will be way to old and Baines will be pushing on too I reckon, oh and isn't Coleman right sided? I actually forgot about Danny rose, I suppose with him its whether he can push on at spurs or gets farmed out again.

[Window Cleaner]

Cole will be way to old and Baines will be pushing on too I reckon, oh and isn't Coleman right sided? I actually forgot about Danny rose, I suppose with him its whether he can push on at spurs or gets farmed out again.

 

There are a lot of takers for Rose seemingly, Liverpool,Everton and we should bloody well be in there as well. Had a great season, one thing's for sure he'll not be on loan next season.

[VectisSaint]

We have overplayed him through necessity. He is only 17 and you cannot play as many top class games as he had at that age. He needs a rest and then a thorough pre-season and a reduced number of games next year.

Sorry, I don't buy this overplaying argument. Shaw has played 28 games total this season, including 4 sub appearances. That is not overplaying. Bale played 40 times in the equivalent season, i.e. when he was 17. He may of course have been over-trained, but over-played is nonsense. If he had not been playing in the reserve team he would probably have played a lot more games than this. His problem is not just with injuries, some of his absences have been illness rather than injury. Hopefully his health will improve in the next few years as he matures. Perhaps he would also not be sick so often if he avoided Nandos

Edited 24 May, 2013 by VectisSaint
Meant reserve team not first team

[Batman]

Sorry, I don't buy this overplaying argument. Shaw has played 28 games total this season, including 4 sub appearances. That is not overplaying. Bale played 40 times in the equivalent season, i.e. when he was 17. He may of course have been over-trained, but over-played is nonsense. If he had not been playing in the first team he would probably have played a lot more games than this. His problem is not just with injuries, some of his absences have been illness rather than injury. Hopefully his health will improve in the next few years as he matures. Perhaps he would also not be sick so often if he avoided Nandos

 

Bale is not shaw and shaw appears to pick up niggles really easy.

[paulwantsapint]

Are Shaws injuries injuries or is it more the Ryan Giggs never played in unimportant games for Wales still playing at 40 despite loads of injury plagued seasons

[The Kraken]

Sorry, I don't buy this overplaying argument. Shaw has played 28 games total this season, including 4 sub appearances. That is not overplaying. Bale played 40 times in the equivalent season, i.e. when he was 17. He may of course have been over-trained, but over-played is nonsense. If he had not been playing in the first team he would probably have played a lot more games than this. His problem is not just with injuries, some of his absences have been illness rather than injury. Hopefully his health will improve in the next few years as he matures. Perhaps he would also not be sick so often if he avoided Nandos

 

There's a history of young players being nurtured rather than rushed straight into games all season long, and for a very good reason. David Moyes knew exactly what he was doing when he rested Wayne Rooney as he was coming through, its a tried and tested method. Its not just the exertion levels, its the peaks and troughs of performances, and also as youngsters are still growing and developing their bodies its entirely natural that they'll be more succeptible to knocks and minor injuries, so perhaps more often than not 100% fit.

 

You make the case for Bale in his season with us, but neglect to mention that he was seemingly more injured than not in his formative year or two at Spurs. It happens, and I'll certainly not be expecting Shaw at 18 to be relied upon for all 38 PL games next season.

[SNSUN]

This is why I think we need a first choice left back brought into the club to provide Shaw with competition. It's a long season and we've already seen the niggling injuries Shaw picks up. He's 17, and he'll still get games, but we need more than a back up brought in for his position IMO.

[The Kraken]

This is why I think we need a first choice left back brought into the club to provide Shaw with competition. It's a long season and we've already seen the niggling injuries Shaw picks up. He's 17, and he'll still get games, but we need more than a back up brought in for his position IMO.

 

Its a good point but a left footed Ivanovic, someone who can play CB and LB effectively, would be my choice. Can Forren do that? He doesn't seem to have been in contention so far but I don't know enough about him to know if he's ever played full back in his career before.

[SaintBobby]

How can you say that without knowing the full details of his injury record?

 

Shaw has missed some matches for club/country through illness, catching a virus doesn't make him "injury prone". He's also had a couple of injuries, but without knowing the full details you can't call him injury prone. If for example someone does a reckless tackle on you in training and you get injured that doesn't mean by default you prone to such injuries.

 

Of course I can say that without "full details of his injury record". He has been absent for more and different injury reasons than any other squad member.

[Turkish]

indeed. played a great deal of footy for someone his age. Good for all concerned that he has the summer off so to speak.

he will get plenty of caps from next season, I have no doubt

 

Correct Jamie. His body is not developed yet and expecting him to be a first choice premeir league player then play a summer of football at 17 is asking too much,

[Crab Lungs]

Shame for the lad but from a selfish POV not particularly distressed that he won't be spending the summer playing footy and can instead put his feet up. Plenty of time yet for the U21s, let alone the full side.

 

Yes, and the thought of Stuart Pearce coaching him and trying to use long words in conversation send a shiver to down my spine. Ughhugugguhuhh

[SaintBobby]

Correct Jamie. His body is not developed yet and expecting him to be a first choice premeir league player then play a summer of football at 17 is asking too much,

 

Yep. Well, I suppose he may be first choice, but he probably ain't going to play any more than 25-30 games.

[Appy]

depends on Cole, Coleman and Rose perhaps. I think Danny Rose will become england's number 1 left back in the foreseeable future and probably for the foreseeable future.

 

Coleman?

[VectisSaint]

There's a history of young players being nurtured rather than rushed straight into games all season long, and for a very good reason. David Moyes knew exactly what he was doing when he rested Wayne Rooney as he was coming through, its a tried and tested method.

Rooney 2002-3 when he was 17, 37 first team appearances for Everton, following season 40, not much rest there.

[scotty]

Are Shaws injuries injuries or is it more the Ryan Giggs never played in unimportant games for Wales still playing at 40 despite loads of injury plagued seasons

 

 

Spot on.

[The Kraken]

Rooney 2002-03 when he was 17, 37 first team appearances for Everton, following season 40, not much rest there.

 

A bit disingenuous there, Vectis. According to Soccerbase in 2002-03 Rooney only started 14 league games, and came on as sub in another 19. 2003-04 it was upped and he started 26, but he still was a sub in 8 games of the 38, almost 1 in 4. So I'd disagree with you, I think that shows a sensible, gradual introduction. Plus Rooney didn't have any of the evidence of niggling injuries that Shaw has had (Rooney was pretty much a fully grown and developed ape when he broke through; granted Shaw also belies his 17 years of age, but he's either a bit more fragile or the club are a bit more over-cautious to fielding him when he's not 100%, which I only see as a good thing if that's the case).

[VectisSaint]

A bit disingenuous there, Vectis. According to Soccerbase in 2002-03 Rooney only started 14 league games, and came on as sub in another 19. 2003-04 it was upped and he started 26, but he still was a sub in 8 games of the 38, almost 1 in 4. So I'd disagree with you, I think that shows a sensible, gradual introduction. Plus Rooney didn't have any of the evidence of niggling injuries that Shaw has had (Rooney was pretty much a fully grown and developed ape when he broke through; granted Shaw also belies his 17 years of age, but he's either a bit more fragile or the club are a bit more over-cautious to fielding him when he's not 100%, which I only see as a good thing if that's the case).

Fair enough with the Rooney stats, I didn't have access to the details of sub appearances, but he still played a lot of football in his first 2 seasons. I stand by my assertion though that we have not over played Shaw, or at least that this is not a reason for his injuries/illnesses. He probably played less games by being in the first team than he would otherwise. AS I mentioned, but you didn't pick up, it may be over-training that is the issue, the fitness levels/training regime that NA and even more MP have instilled is more likely to be a negative factor for a young lad who is clearly still maturing physically.

[ART]

Anyone keeping a journal of Shaw's injuries and missing games? I believe he's only had niggling injuries since Adkins left. I'd prefer till he's signed a contract in July he keeps away from England gatherings.