Pre conceived ideas of the EDL.....

[Turkish]

What utter rubbish .what help did the Edl thugs turning up after a murder achieve.if the toy town racists had any guts they would join the army and fight a real war in afghanistan rather than the sad life's they lead.

 

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What are you members of the UAF hoping to achieve by demonstrating against the EDL? Why aren't you demonstrating against the murder of an innocent English person by extremists?

[Batman]

What are you members of the UAF hoping to achieve by demonstrating against the EDL? Why aren't you demonstrating against the murder of an innocent English person by extremists?

 

he supports the UAF, that is quite clear (and quite sad)

[Turkish]

he supports the UAF, that is quite clear (and quite sad)

 

It's quite evident that some people on this forum think that the biggest crime committed last week was not the slaughter of an innocent person by extremists, it was that anyone dared to show anger about it.

[Sheaf Saint]

What are you members of the UAF hoping to achieve by demonstrating against the EDL? Why aren't you demonstrating against the murder of an innocent English person by extremists?

 

On the flip side of that then Turks, why aren't you out demonstrating against the murder of an innocent British Muslim by racist extremists?...

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

 

And more to the point, what exactly do the EDL hope to achieve by their demonstration? It's not going to bring Drummer Rigby back is it.

[Batman]

On the flip side of that then Turks, why aren't you out demonstrating against the murder of an innocent British Muslim by racist extremists?...

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

 

And more to the point, what exactly do the EDL hope to achieve by their demonstration? It's not going to bring Drummer Rigby back is it.

what is the point in any demonstration?

[Turkish]

On the flip side of that then Turks, why aren't you out demonstrating against the murder of an innocent British Muslim by racist extremists?...

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

 

And more to the point, what exactly do the EDL hope to achieve by their demonstration? It's not going to bring Drummer Rigby back is it.

 

I'm not demonstrating against anyone, merely asking our UAF chum why he's not demonstrating Against the crime, but against the demonstrators who were against the crime

[solentstars]

Of

What are you members of the UAF hoping to achieve by demonstrating against the EDL? Why aren't you demonstrating against the murder of an innocent English person by extremists?

 

Once again I think you should read the title of the uaf and the clue is in the title of What they they demonstrate against.

 

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What utter rubbish .what help did the Edl thugs turning up after a murder achieve.if the toy town racists had any guts they would join the army and fight a real war in afghanistan rather than the sad life's they lead.

 

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Plenty of ex-forces types who have seen combat support the EDL and it's the war in Afghanistan, as well as Iraq, that has led where we are now.

 

You seem far more outraged about the EDL than you do the death of the soldier.

 

That says an awful lot about you.

[Batman]

Of

 

Once again I think you should read the title of the uaf and the clue is in the title of What they they demonstrate against.

 

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you are clearly a supporter, maybe even a member of the UAF. which is sad

not quite as sad that you cannot see that they are just like the EDL, granted at the other end of the spectrum.

 

YOU sir, are part of the problem

[Sheaf Saint]

what is the point in any demonstration?

 

Indeed. That was the point I was trying to make.

[solentstars]

Plenty of ex-forces types who have seen combat support the EDL and it's the war in Afghanistan, as well as Iraq, that has led where we are now.

 

You seem far more outraged about the EDL than you do the death of the soldier.

 

That says an awful lot about you.

 

I think of you want to support racist thugs thats up to you and all that rubbish you just wrote.just to let you know I'm a godparent of someone who has fought in Afghanistan and is still serving and lost a good mate who died in northern Ireland years ago.so your little tantrum is water of a ducks back as they say.Lee rigby is more important than worrying about the edl toy town thugs.

 

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[Batman]

I think of you want to support racist thugs thats up to you and all that rubbish you just wrote.just to let you know I'm a godparent of someone who has fought in Afghanistan and is still serving and lost a good mate who died in northern Ireland years ago.so your little tantrum is water of a ducks back as they say.Lee rigby is more important than worrying about the edl toy town thugs.

 

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the UAF are also thugs, yet you support them. Yes?

[solentstars]

you are clearly a supporter, maybe even a member of the UAF. which is sad

not quite as sad that you cannot see that they are just like the EDL, granted at the other end of the spectrum.

 

YOU sir, are part of the problem

Oh dear

 

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I think of you want to support racist thugs thats up to you and all that rubbish you just wrote.just to let you know I'm a godparent of someone who has fought in Afghanistan and is still serving and lost a good mate who died in northern Ireland years ago.so your little tantrum is water of a ducks back as they say.Lee rigby is more important than worrying about the edl toy town thugs.

 

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Tantrum? Dear me, you are a bit precious. I don't support them I think they are a bunch of mugs but I understand why so many do support them and that's because I'm opened minded, something you are clearly incapable of.

 

You are as brainwashed as the Islamic jihadists and the EDL meat heads. All of you are part of the problem and all are too thick to see it.

[solentstars]

Tantrum? Dear me, you are a bit precious. I don't support them I think they are a bunch of mugs but I understand why so many do support them and that's because I'm opened minded, something you are clearly incapable of.

 

You are as brainwashed as the Islamic jihadists and the EDL meat heads. All of you are part of the problem and all are too thick to see it.

 

When you try to link the death of a soldier to what I commenting about .I don't think that's open minded.

 

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[Sour Mash]

Of

 

Once again I think you should read the title of the uaf and the clue is in the title of What they they demonstrate against.

 

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Fascism can be defined as "(in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice." - you don't think this applies to Muslim fundamentalists?

[Batman]

When you try to link the death of a soldier to what I commenting about .I don't think that's open minded.

 

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are you a member of the UAF, yes or not

do you support them if not, yes or no

 

do you think are they thugs, yes or no

[Verbal]

The EDL are an unpleasant bunch of thugs - and wheeling out their manifesto to say how 'reasonable' it is doesn't wash. The 1933 Nazi Party manifesto called for Jews to be treated as 'guests' and denied citizenship. It did not say it was going to go on a rampage of mass murder against Jews and others. You judge by cretinous actions, not fine words.

 

The only view Asian (by no means only Muslim) shopkeepers, women and others get of the EDL is when they are being physically assaulted by them or having their property trashed during screaming, inebriated outbursts of EDL mob violence.

 

However, the EDL are also wholly irrelevant. Even if their pathetic demos have temporarily spiked in number, their behaviour on the streets will alienate anyone with reasonable objections to make against Islamic extremism, and the EDL will quickly shrink back down again to its criminal hard core.

 

If anyone thinks extremism and violence is going to be tempered by allowing pathetic media tarts like Anjem Choudary and Tommy Robinson to go at each other hammer and tongs they are sadly deluded. Those two need each other as much as they profess to hate each other. The rest of us needs neither of them.

 

Action against extremism needs to take many forms - including a serious (and belated) criminal investigation of Choudary, a failed medical student and failed lawyer who repeatedly finds himself the easiest and quickest answer in any game of Six Degrees of Islamist Separation.

 

Robinson and convict mates, on the other hand, can just go **** themselves - they are nothing, stand for nothing and will achieve nothing.

[View From The Top]

When you try to link the death of a soldier to what I commenting about .I don't think that's open minded.

 

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Perhaps because mugs like UAF shout "fascist" at the EDL whilst totally and utterly missing the point that the Jihadist are also fascists but they barely register an audible whisper about them. Nor do they raise their voices about our governments foreign policy that has led to the rise of the jihadists and thus to the EDL.

[pap]

Plenty of ex-forces types who have seen combat support the EDL and it's the war in Afghanistan, as well as Iraq, that has led where we are now.

 

You seem far more outraged about the EDL than you do the death of the soldier.

 

That says an awful lot about you.

 

I'm sure that "plenty" of armed forces types ( such a beautifully unquantifiable term, isn't it ) signed up because they wanted to kill brown people.

 

They are probably a subset of the EDL supporters.

[solentstars]

are you a member of the UAF, yes or not

do you support them if not, yes or no

 

do you think are they thugs, yes or no

 

You remind me of McCarthyism. What next have you ever been a member of the communist party. You should have called yourself the joker.

 

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Action against extremism needs to take many forms - including a serious (and belated) criminal investigation of Choudary, a failed medical student and failed lawyer who repeatedly finds himself the easiest and quickest answer in any game of Six Degrees of Islamist Separation.

 

Totally & utterly agree.

 

Cut out the cancer.

[pap]

Fascism can be defined as "(in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice." - you don't think this applies to fundamentalists?

 

Shortened that for you.

[View From The Top]

You remind me of McCarthyism. What next have you ever been a member of the communist party. You should have called yourself the joker.

 

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It is a simple question though with a simple yes or no answer.

[Sour Mash]

I'm sure that "plenty" of armed forces types ( such a beautifully unquantifiable term, isn't it ) signed up because they wanted to kill brown people.

 

They are probably a subset of the EDL supporters.

You really are an absolute clown.

[shurlock]

are you a member of the UAF, yes or not

do you support them if not, yes or no

 

do you think are they thugs, yes or no

 

Jamie, open your curtains, step outside, talk to some of the black lads on Camden Lock and enjoy your Sunday.

[Sour Mash]

The EDL are an unpleasant bunch of thugs - and wheeling out their manifesto to say how 'reasonable' it is doesn't wash. The 1933 Nazi Party manifesto called for Jews to be treated as 'guests' and denied citizenship. It did not say it was going to go on a rampage of mass murder against Jews and others. You judge by cretinous actions, not fine words.

 

The only view Asian (by no means only Muslim) shopkeepers, women and others get of the EDL is when they are being physically assaulted by them or having their property trashed during screaming, inebriated outbursts of EDL mob violence.

 

However, the EDL are also wholly irrelevant. Even if their pathetic demos have temporarily spiked in number, their behaviour on the streets will alienate anyone with reasonable objections to make against Islamic extremism, and the EDL will quickly shrink back down again to its criminal hard core.

 

If anyone thinks extremism and violence is going to be tempered by allowing pathetic media tarts like Anjem Choudary and Tommy Robinson to go at each other hammer and tongs they are sadly deluded. Those two need each other as much as they profess to hate each other. The rest of us needs neither of them.

 

Action against extremism needs to take many forms - including a serious (and belated) criminal investigation of Choudary, a failed medical student and failed lawyer who repeatedly finds himself the easiest and quickest answer in any game of Six Degrees of Islamist Separation.

 

Robinson and convict mates, on the other hand, can just go **** themselves - they are nothing, stand for nothing and will achieve nothing.

I agree that the behaviour of many that turn out at these EDL marches is utterly idiotic, but smashing up shops and attacking people? No. Have you seen how many police turn up every time they have a march or a meet? They might well be very keen to carry out the things you suggest, but it's not something that happens in practice. The likes of Robinson have MI5 all over them as well I suspect. EDL demos have actually massively decreased in recent years, partly due to strong, stringent police work.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the EDL die out soon enough for one reason or another. But the resentment between white and muslim communities in places like Luton, Bradford, Oldham, Stoke won't be changing any time soon.

[solentstars]

It is a simple question though with a simple yes or no answer.

oh dear

 

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[Turkish]

Tantrum? Dear me, you are a bit precious. I don't support them I think they are a bunch of mugs but I understand why so many do support them and that's because I'm opened minded, something you are clearly incapable of.

 

You are as brainwashed as the Islamic jihadists and the EDL meat heads. All of you are part of the problem and all are too thick to see it.

 

Very well said sir.

[Batman]

Jamie, open your curtains, step outside, talk to some of the black lads on Camden Lock and enjoy your Sunday.

 

Why are you defining "lads" by a colour

 

 

RACIST!!!!

[Sheaf Saint]

I give this thread another half an hour tops.

[Turkish]

You remind me of McCarthyism. What next have you ever been a member of the communist party. You should have called yourself the joker.

 

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So not denying you're member of the UAF then? I can see we are joining up the dots to explain your weird comments this week. Enjoy your march tomorrow.

[pap]

Can someone do me the honour of enumerating the specific "points" the EDL have? That we're at increased risk of Islamic fundamentalist acts? Yes we are, but we've done most to create that situation. Two unjustifiable wars and it looks like we're possibly heading into more. The Downing St dossier signed off the death of a million Iraqis. I'm not sure the US could have gone to war without this "independent" verification from the Brits. It was horsesh!te, and I keep repeating the stat, but a million people died as a result of that lie. Ok, we'll never know if the US would have gone in anyway, but the UK would have retained some moral authority, much like all the EU states that kept out of Iraq. The Blair government cannot be called mere supporters of US action in Iraq. They were enablers. The biggest joke of all? Tony Blair as Middle East peace envoy.

 

People need to get some perspective in all of this. The amount of people killed in all terrorist incidents is dwarfed by the number of people that have been killed by this Western adventure in the Middle East. If the EDL really want an end to Islamic extremism in this country, perhaps they should petition our Government to get out of Muslim states.

[Verbal]

People need to get some perspective in all of this. The amount of people killed in all terrorist incidents is dwarfed by the number of people that have been killed by this Western adventure in the Middle East. If the EDL really want an end to Islamic extremism in this country, perhaps they should petition our Government to get out of Muslim states.

 

Your perspective needs perspective.

 

The number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in recent conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria far outnumbers Muslims killed by Western military action. The problem of extremism isn't addressed by constant harping on about the evil anti-Muslim West - which isn't of course even unambiguously true (see Bosnia, Kosovo - even, to some extent, Libya and Syria).

 

There is a fundamental disconnect between the extremists who commit these atrocities and the real victims of Western foreign policies. The 9/11 terrorists were mostly middle-class Saudis (plus a middle-class Lebanese and Egyptian). None of them was a Palestinian. The 7/7 terrorists were mostly of Kashmiri descent - the West has no involvement in the horrendous problems of Kashmir. The killers of Lee Rigby were of Nigerian descent and had no connection to the 'cause' of Afghanistan or Iraq. And so it goes on.

 

The reason there is a disconnect is because Islamist extremism is a death cult whose aim is to make the lives of others (especially women) unbearable. Nothing more, nothing less.

[View From The Top]

. If the EDL really want an end to Islamic extremism in this country, perhaps they should petition our Government to get out of Muslim states.

 

I totally & utterly agree.

 

I'd add stop backing Israel as well and make sure the people of Palestine are given a proper homeland on the West Bank.

[pap]

Your perspective needs perspective.

 

The number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in recent conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria far outnumbers Muslims killed by Western military action. The problem of extremism isn't addressed by constant harping on about the evil anti-Muslim West - which isn't of course even unambiguously true (see Bosnia, Kosovo - even, to some extent, Libya and Syria).

 

There is a fundamental disconnect between the extremists who commit these atrocities and the real victims of Western foreign policies. The 9/11 terrorists were mostly middle-class Saudis (plus a middle-class Lebanese and Egyptian). None of them was a Palestinian. The 7/7 terrorists were mostly of Kashmiri descent - the West has no involvement in the horrendous problems of Kashmir. The killers of Lee Rigby were of Nigerian descent and had no connection to the 'cause' of Afghanistan or Iraq. And so it goes on.

 

The reason there is a disconnect is because Islamist extremism is a death cult whose aim is to make the lives of others (especially women) unbearable. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

You are doing exactly what the EDL do; cherry picking from all of Islam to make your point, when we're talking about UK extremism. UK involvement in Islamic lands, particularly its enabling role in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, has fueled homegrown extremism.

 

All of the people who have committed atrocities have said that Western involvement in Muslim lands was a motivation for their actions. I'm not sure why you're trying to widen the argument EDL-style.

[solentstars]

So not denying you're member of the UAF then? I can see we are joining up the dots to explain your weird comments this week. Enjoy your march tomorrow.[/QUOToh dear have you figured out UAF stands for yet or is your brain hurting.

 

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[Turkish]

So not denying you're member of the UAF then? I can see we are joining up the dots to explain your weird comments this week. Enjoy your march tomorrow.[/QUOToh dear have you figured out UAF stands for yet or is your brain hurting.

 

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Maybe you could enlighten us, I'm sure you'd know more than most what you stand for.

[solentstars]

 

Maybe you could enlighten us, I'm sure you'd know more than most what you stand for.

 

Oh dear what are you waffling on about now.

 

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[View From The Top]

 

Oh dear what are you waffling on about now.

 

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Are you actually an adult as your answers are like something I'd expect from my 8yo?

[View From The Top]

You are doing exactly what the EDL do; cherry picking from all of Islam to make your point, when we're talking about UK extremism. UK involvement in Islamic lands, particularly its enabling role in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, has fueled homegrown extremism.

 

All of the people who have committed atrocities have said that Western involvement in Muslim lands was a motivation for their actions. I'm not sure why you're trying to widen the argument EDL-style.

 

I agree with you on this.

 

The argument isn't about internecine fighting or sect against sect it's about the radicalisation of Muslims in the UK and that has been driven by US/UK foreign policy.

[solentstars]

Are you actually an adult as your answers are like something I'd expect from my 8yo?

 

Is this another yes or no question .

 

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[Verbal]

You are doing exactly what the EDL do; cherry picking from all of Islam to make your point, when we're talking about UK extremism. UK involvement in Islamic lands, particularly its enabling role in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, has fueled homegrown extremism.

 

All of the people who have committed atrocities have said that Western involvement in Muslim lands was a motivation for their actions. I'm not sure why you're trying to widen the argument EDL-style.

 

I'll ignore the silly provocation about the EDL. The larger point is that you're guilty of a dangerous nonsense in suggesting that we should take all that's said by Islamic extremists like Choudary and his acolytes at face value (You really have some odd values - THESE are the people you trust!!?).

 

If you were to switch your computer off and actually travel to places where some of the worst atrocities against Muslims have taken place, you would learn a thing or two. In Swat Valley in Pakistan, for example, the Taliban tore through the local population with a vengeance - all with the same deathly rallying call: "We will force you to adopt our extreme form of Shariah or we will kill you and everything you ever treasured." These are the madmen, remember, who thought that their war against other Muslims would be furthered by putting a bullet in the head of a 14-year-old girl because she dared to go to school.

 

In Afghanistan, older forms of Islam, which were predominantly Sufi (hence the reason why Kabul was on the "hippy trail" in the 1960s and 70s), have been wiped out with the killing of hundreds of thousands of Sufi worshippers and the relentless destruction of their shrines. Shia and Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan are targeted by suicide bombers virtually every week, and the Sufi shrines of the Indus Valley are increasingly under threat as their believers are bombed and shot at.

 

To relate everything back to 2003 is frankly stupid. As I've said to you many times, read The Looming Tower. This is a much older war.

 

But you're missing a much bigger point. Why do extremists target the West? The obvious answer is the evil West. But that's the excuse. The real answer - and Al Qaeda have actually made this explicit - is that terrorist outrages against the West are designed as fund-raising 'spectaculars' (AQ words, not mine). The much bigger war is being fought not over 'Muslim lands' but Mecca itself. At the heart of AQ and all their dimwitted acolytes is the notion that Islam's weakness today is caused by two factors: the occupation of Mecca by the corrupt Saudis and the abasement of 'pure' Islam by more spiritual or more secular versions of Islam that had predominated.

 

By committing outrages in the West, AQ and associates believe that they will create a vast overreaction from host populations against Muslims and drive embattled believers closer to their way of thinking.

 

Which ultimately is why the EDL are so utterly dumb - they are doing the Islamists' bidding. It's as if Tommy Robinson and Anjem Choudary have worked out some sort of deal.

[Turkish]

Is this another yes or no question .

 

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For someone so quick to leap to play the racist EDL card earlier on this thread you've gone remarkably shy now you've been called out.

[View From The Top]

For someone so quick to leap to play the racist EDL card earlier on this thread you've gone remarkably shy now you've been called out.

 

He is rather pathetic.

[pap]

I'll ignore the silly provocation about the EDL. The larger point is that you're guilty of a dangerous nonsense in suggesting that we should take all that's said by Islamic extremists like Choudary and his acolytes at face value (You really have some odd values - THESE are the people you trust!!?).

 

If you were to switch your computer off and actually travel to places where some of the worst atrocities against Muslims have taken place, you would learn a thing or two. In Swat Valley in Pakistan, for example, the Taliban tore through the local population with a vengeance - all with the same deathly rallying call: "We will force you to adopt our extreme form of Shariah or we will kill you and everything you ever treasured." These are the madmen, remember, who thought that their war against other Muslims would be furthered by putting a bullet in the head of a 14-year-old girl because she dared to go to school.

 

In Afghanistan, older forms of Islam, which were predominantly Sufi (hence the reason why Kabul was on the "hippy trail" in the 1960s and 70s), have been wiped out with the killing of hundreds of thousands of Sufi worshippers and the relentless destruction of their shrines. Shia and Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan are targeted by suicide bombers virtually every week, and the Sufi shrines of the Indus Valley are increasingly under threat as their believers are bombed and shot at.

 

To relate everything back to 2003 is frankly stupid. As I've said to you many times, read The Looming Tower. This is a much older war.

 

But you're missing a much bigger point. Why do extremists target the West? The obvious answer is the evil West. But that's the excuse. The real answer - and Al Qaeda have actually made this explicit - is that terrorist outrages against the West are designed as fund-raising 'spectaculars' (AQ words, not mine). The much bigger war is being fought not over 'Muslim lands' but Mecca itself. At the heart of AQ and all their dimwitted acolytes is the notion that Islam's weakness today is caused by two factors: the occupation of Mecca by the corrupt Saudis and the abasement of 'pure' Islam by more spiritual or more secular versions of Islam that had predominated.

 

By committing outrages in the West, AQ and associates believe that they will create a vast overreaction from host populations against Muslims and drive embattled believers closer to their way of thinking.

 

Which ultimately is why the EDL are so utterly dumb - they are doing the Islamists' bidding. It's as if Tommy Robinson and Anjem Choudary have worked out some sort of deal.

 

Er, no. I'm referring to what the people have said themselves in their own "confession" videos.

 

Kind of makes the rest of your post a load of strawman sh!t, doesn't it?

[Sour Mash]

I totally & utterly agree.

 

I'd add stop backing Israel as well and make sure the people of Palestine are given a proper homeland on the West Bank.

But the EDL is about more than just high profile acts of Islamic extremism that have taken place in this country. It's also against the day to day islamification of many of the towns and cities that EDL supporters come from. The UK's foreign policy is going to do little to change that either way. Edited 26 May, 2013 by Sour Mash

[pap]

But the EDL is about more than just high profile acts of Islamic extremism that have taken place in this country. It's also against the day to day islamification of many of the towns and cities that EDL supporters come from. The UK's foreign policy is going to do little to change that either way.

 

What are you talking about? Is it your view that more people are becoming Muslims?

 

If so, what is your problem with that? Aren't we supposed to value freedom of religion?

[solentstars]

For someone so quick to leap to play the racist EDL card earlier on this thread you've gone remarkably shy now you've been called out.

 

Oh dear country bumpkin with another silly statement .better be careful otherwise you might have a strop and call us mongs again on another football forum. keep em coming .

 

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[Sour Mash]

What are you talking about? Is it your view that more people are becoming Muslims?

 

If so, what is your problem with that? Aren't we supposed to value freedom of religion?

What are you talking about? Who has suggested more people are becoming Muslims? Where have I said I have a problem with anything? I am explaining one of the reasons for the rise and support of the EDL and not just the acts of terrorism and violence carried out by extremists. Look at the riots that happened in Oldham, Bradford, Burnley and Leeds in the summer of 2001.