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don't know about that

 

http://www.newsatden.co.uk/17898-millwall-could-offer-saints-loanee-chaplow-permanent-deal.html

 

NB some pretty moronic comments on that article but what can you expect it's Millwall.

This one beats anything you'd even get on here, pretty sure its not a wind up either "i`ve seen a lot of chaplow on tv last season & my mate is a saints supporter, they are ****ed off he`s not playing cos they got too many big time charlie overseas players nicking his place, he controlled their midfield last season which got them promoted, he`s just what we need, lets hope we sign him full time before the vultures start to hover rounnd again very good player."
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I'd expected to see these players leave regardless of contract, with a few youth players added into the mix

 

Billy Sharp

Dean Hammond

Frazer Richardson

Danny Seaborne

Richard Chaplow

Danny Butterfield

Steve De Ridder

Tommy Forecast

Ryan Dickson

Aaron Martin

Lee Barnard

Jonathan Forte

Tadanari Lee

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I'd expected to see these players leave regardless of contract, with a few youth players added into the mix

 

Billy Sharp

Dean Hammond

Frazer Richardson

Danny Seaborne

Richard Chaplow

Danny Butterfield

Steve De Ridder

Tommy Forecast

Ryan Dickson

Aaron Martin

Lee Barnard

Jonathan Forte

Tadanari Lee

 

I'd forgotten about him ... didn't this forum tell us he's amazing?

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I'd expected to see these players leave regardless of contract, with a few youth players added into the mix

 

Billy Sharp

Dean Hammond

Frazer Richardson

Danny Seaborne

Richard Chaplow

Danny Butterfield

Steve De Ridder

Tommy Forecast

Ryan Dickson

Aaron Martin

Lee Barnard

Jonathan Forte

Tadanari Lee

I would assume/guess that one of Hooiveld/Fonte/Yoshida will be leaving, either as a year long loan or sold. To me they are all of a similar standard (with different qualities/weaknesses), so hard to guess which one. Can't see Yoshida being shown the door after only a year. Hooiveld has remained MP's choice for a long run of game. So possibly Fonte?
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I would assume/guess that one of Hooiveld/Fonte/Yoshida will be leaving, either as a year long loan or sold. To me they are all of a similar standard (with different qualities/weaknesses), so hard to guess which one. Can't see Yoshida being shown the door after only a year. Hooiveld has remained MP's choice for a long run of game. So possibly Fonte?

 

I suspect we'll shed Seaborne and Martin from the centre back position and keep the ones who are at worst decent backups at that level.

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I would assume/guess that one of Hooiveld/Fonte/Yoshida will be leaving, either as a year long loan or sold. To me they are all of a similar standard (with different qualities/weaknesses), so hard to guess which one. Can't see Yoshida being shown the door after only a year. Hooiveld has remained MP's choice for a long run of game. So possibly Fonte?

 

I'd say they'd only leave if we bring one or two more centre backs in. We currently only have those 3 who have played CB in the PL for us. God knows what'll happen with Forren. For a squad game we need at least 4 CBs. Look at Man United last season; they had 5 in Ferdinand, Vidic, Jones, Smalling and Evans. Chelsea had 4 in Terry, Ivanovic, Cahill, Luiz.

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I'd say they'd only leave if we bring one or two more centre backs in. We currently only have those 3 who have played CB in the PL for us. God knows what'll happen with Forren. For a squad game we need at least 4 CBs. Look at Man United last season; they had 5 in Ferdinand, Vidic, Jones, Smalling and Evans. Chelsea had 4 in Terry, Ivanovic, Cahill, Luiz.
But that's my point; the assumption is that we're going to bring in at least one more CB? And that Forren will step up (leap of faith, but that's the assumption I'm going with) - would leave us with 5 senior CBs, 6 if you included Stephens who was officially included in the first team at the start of the season just gone. Actually put Stephens down as someone who should go out on loan for a year. Man United and Chelsea examples a bit different as there is one from both your lists that play fairly often in midfield - Luiz and Jones. Plus both their teams play a fair few more games than us each season. Edited by Sour Mash
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Likely released list:

- Billy Sharp (likely to stay at Forest or move elsewhere)

- Dean Hammond (likely to stay at Brighton or move elsewhere)

- Danny Seaborne (could be off to Bournemouth)

- Ben Reeves (don't know why, got a feeling)

- Tommy Forecast (likely to stay at Gillingham)

- Ryan Dickson (injured but likely to move to L2 club)

- Aaron Martin (possibly moving to Coventry, otherwise elsewhere)

- Lee Barnard (would like him to move to Bournemouth)

- Jonathan Forte (likely to stay at Sheffield United?)

- Tadanari Lee (probably staying at FC Tokyo or at least in Japan)

 

Not likely to be released:

- Jos Hooiveld (will remain as CB backup)

- Danny Fox (not sure we've seen the last of him, though may be sold)

- Guly do Prado (if the last programme is anything to go by...)

- Frazer Richardson/Danny Butterfield (could be sold/retained)

- Jack Stephens (CB for the future, signed contract)

- Richard Chaplow (kept as backup or sold on)

- Calum Chambers (as above)

- Steve De Ridder (as above)

- other young players (as above)

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But that's my point; the assumption is that we're going to bring in at least one more CB? And that Forren will step up (leap of faith, but that's the assumption I'm going with) - would leave us with 5 senior CBs, 6 if you included Stephens who was officially included int he first team at the start of the season just gone. Actually put Stephens down as someone who should go out on loan for a year. Man United and Chelsea examples a bit different as there is one from both your lists that play fairly often in midfield - Luiz and Jones. Plus both their teams play a fair few more games than us each season.

 

True, but I'd have said 4 CBs is the minimum you should be looking at for proper cover. A squad of 22 would typically have a reserve spot for every position on the pitch (plus maybe younger developing players), so 4 senior CBs. Jones and Luiz do double up in other positions but they were bought as CBs. If Forren isn't a complete dud I wonder if it'll turn out he can also cover LB; we'll see.

 

But I agree that we should bring in at least one CB (personally I'd prefer a couple) and if we bring in 2 then room in the squad would have to be found. Fonte would be at risk, I reckon, as Hooiveld (however limited he is) is currently the only bruiser of a CB we have.

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True, but I'd have said 4 CBs is the minimum you should be looking at for proper cover. A squad of 22 would typically have a reserve spot for every position on the pitch (plus maybe younger developing players), so 4 senior CBs. Jones and Luiz do double up in other positions but they were bought as CBs. If Forren isn't a complete dud I wonder if it'll turn out he can also cover LB; we'll see.

 

But I agree that we should bring in at least one CB (personally I'd prefer a couple) and if we bring in 2 then room in the squad would have to be found. Fonte would be at risk, I reckon, as Hooiveld (however limited he is) is currently the only bruiser of a CB we have.

That's what I mean, if we bring in a new CB, which I think we all expect we will and we assume Forren will step up, that the leaves three of current CBs to fit into the two remaining positions in the squad. And that's assuming Stephens doesn't step up. If I had to pick one CB to get rid of it would either be Yoshida or Fonte and I can't see us getting rid of Yoshida.
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That's what I mean, if we bring in a new CB, which I think we all expect we will and we assume Forren will step up, that the leaves three of current CBs to fit into the two remaining positions in the squad. And that's assuming Stephens doesn't step up. If I had to pick one CB to get rid of it would either be Yoshida or Fonte and I can't see us getting rid of Yoshida.

 

Forren really is the fly in that ointment; its utterly impossible to tell what is expected of him other than the utterings that he's being developed or whatever. Extremely strange that he didn't get on the pitch at all this season. I really don't know what to make of that, for a mid 20s international footballer who was signed in January, yet couldn't even get ahead of Fonte in the pecking order for coming on from the bench.

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Forren really is the fly in that ointment; its utterly impossible to tell what is expected of him other than the utterings that he's being developed or whatever. Extremely strange that he didn't get on the pitch at all this season. I really don't know what to make of that, for a mid 20s international footballer who was signed in January, yet couldn't even get ahead of Fonte in the pecking order for coming on from the bench.
Well see my comments on the end of season thread stickied at the top of the board re Forren; completely agree, I struggle to buy all this "prep for next season" nonsense, in all the interviews when he signed he said he was fully fit. Take a month maybe to get up to speed, but to not even get a kick over 5 months is bizarre.
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Anyone who saw Forren play for the Under 21's will see why he has been kept well away from the first team. Fit or not, he needs to work significantly on his conditioning and strength. He is so slow it looks like he is running in wellies. However he has very good anticipation and is great on the ball. The club must feel they can work on his physical state to a point where he can compete in the Premier League and the team will benefit from his other skills with the ball etc.

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Anyone who saw Forren play for the Under 21's will see why he has been kept well away from the first team. Fit or not' date=' he needs to work significantly on his conditioning and strength. He is so slow it looks like he is running in wellies. However he has very good anticipation and is great on the ball. The club must feel they can work on his physical state to a point where he can compete in the Premier League and the team will benefit from his other skills with the ball etc.[/quote']

Once again; he is an international footballer who has fairly recently played alongside Brede Haangeland. How, at the age of 25, does he need to work on his conditioning and strength to get a game for us? If you were talking about Jack Stephens then fair enough. But are you really saying that with nearly 150 appearances for Molde and over 20 for his country at various age levels (including 7 full caps) we knew exactly what we were getting and had a plan to beef him up for a few months before playing him?

 

And I saw him at the U21 game against Liverpool and don't agree he was great on the ball; he was comfortable, no more than that. Defensively I saw nothing to suggest that it was just fitness that was holding him back from being a step up from all of our CB options.

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Anyone who saw Forren play for the Under 21's will see why he has been kept well away from the first team. Fit or not' date=' he needs to work significantly on his conditioning and strength. He is so slow it looks like he is running in wellies. However he has very good anticipation and is great on the ball. The club must feel they can work on his physical state to a point where he can compete in the Premier League and the team will benefit from his other skills with the ball etc.[/quote'] I saw him twice for the Under 21s and would agree with all that, apart from him looking "great" on the ball, I wouldn't go quite that far.
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The thing about this "released" list is that it won't contain anyone who still has a contract.

 

If they're playing below the Prem and are out on loan but have got at least a year left with us, they won't be going anywhere apart from out on loan again, as they're all on contracts which pay more than any team at the level they're playing can afford.

 

So if Hammond's contract isn't up, unless someone wants to pay his wages on loan, or offer him a new, longer, or over the term of the contract more valuable deal, he'll just train with the U21s and take his money. There's a tipping point of course, where 1 year on Prem money is less preferable to 4 more years at Championship level plus the job security... so we might see a few "final yearers" moving on, but the rapid promotion and Prem bonuses have really left us with a bit of a legacy of reserves.

 

We've moved on a bit from when we were mutually cancelling Wootton's contract to get him an extra 12 months as a pro at Yeovil, haven't we ? And so have Yeovil for that matter.

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Likely released list:

- Billy Sharp (likely to stay at Forest or move elsewhere)

- Dean Hammond (likely to stay at Brighton or move elsewhere)

- Danny Seaborne (could be off to Bournemouth)

- Ben Reeves (don't know why, got a feeling)

- Tommy Forecast (likely to stay at Gillingham)

- Ryan Dickson (injured but likely to move to L2 club)

- Aaron Martin (possibly moving to Coventry, otherwise elsewhere)

- Lee Barnard (would like him to move to Bournemouth)

- Jonathan Forte (likely to stay at Sheffield United?)

- Tadanari Lee (probably staying at FC Tokyo or at least in Japan)

 

Not likely to be released:

- Jos Hooiveld (will remain as CB backup)

- Danny Fox (not sure we've seen the last of him, though may be sold)

- Guly do Prado (if the last programme is anything to go by...)

- Frazer Richardson/Danny Butterfield (could be sold/retained)

- Jack Stephens (CB for the future, signed contract)

- Richard Chaplow (kept as backup or sold on)

- Calum Chambers (as above)

- Steve De Ridder (as above)

- other young players (as above)

 

This "likely to stay" stuff ? Do you mean "sign a permanent contract with" or "go back out on loan to" ? Because either way they won't be "released", that's what happens when your contract runs out and we don't offer a new one.

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This "likely to stay" stuff ? Do you mean "sign a permanent contract with" or "go back out on loan to" ? Because either way they won't be "released", that's what happens when your contract runs out and we don't offer a new one.

 

Anyway Andre's list is off the mark. Richardson and Butterfield are out of contract and probably won't be offered new ones,so they can't be sold and won't be retained. In fact anyone who is out of contract will be "released" because that's the way we do things at SFC. Reeves is out of contract and will no doubt be allowed to just leave as will Hoskins. If you're not good enough for the PL and don't have a contract beyond 30th June 13 then you won't get a new one unless there are some exceptional circumstances.

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Anyone whose contract expires at the end of the season will be on the released list. Then there are those who we will look to move on in the summer, which will be those with only a yr left plus those who were loaned out last season

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It was always inevitable when getting back-to-back promotions that you would carry some players through who weren't good enough. I'd say we'll have at least ten going out and aound five in.

 

We at that point that anyone coming in has to be players we think will make the starting 11.

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It was always inevitable when getting back-to-back promotions that you would carry some players through who weren't good enough. I'd say we'll have at least ten going out and aound five in.

 

We at that point that anyone coming in has to be players we think will make the starting 11.

 

Why is everyone so seemingly insistent about this? What's wrong with signing some squad players?

 

E.g. Say we need a 6th choice centre back who is better than Seabourne. Well, replacing him doesn't mean spending £15m on some international superstar.

 

I think we need to sign about 3 players for the starting XI, but maybe 4 or 5 who will be typically be subs/squad players/back up.

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I suspect the retained list could be imminent (Saturday morning if previous years are anything to go by). The first team squad on the OS has been updated today to delete all the photos. The one player deleted today was Frazer Richardson. Most of the players that have been out on loan are also missing but interestingly Dean Hammond was added back in a few days ago. Tadanari Lee has been there for the whole period of his loan. None of the other players who have been out of loan have been added back.

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I suspect the retained list could be imminent (Saturday morning if previous years are anything to go by). The first team squad on the OS has been updated today to delete all the photos. The one player deleted today was Frazer Richardson. Most of the players that have been out on loan are also missing but interestingly Dean Hammond was added back in a few days ago. Tadanari Lee has been there for the whole period of his loan. None of the other players who have been out of loan have been added back.

 

 

Richardson will be out of contract, Lee and Hammond aren't. The retained list is very much a thing of the past. Players who have contracts will stay or be sold and those who don't err won't. No need to make a list for that, contract dates are easy enough to

find. Chaplow has disappeared though which is strange if he really did have a contract extension until 2014, don't know about De Ridder but he's crap anyway. Perhaps they're just no longer on the first team squad.

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Richardson will be out of contract, Lee and Hammond aren't. The retained list is very much a thing of the past. Players who have contracts will stay or be sold and those who don't err won't. No need to make a list for that, contract dates are easy enough to find. Chaplow has disappeared though which is strange if he really did have a contract extension until 2014, don't know about De Ridder but he's crap anyway. Perhaps they're just no longer on the first team squad.

 

Yes but the (slightly!) interesting point is that Hammond has been added in and not Sharp, Forte, Martin and Barnard all of whom are also still in contract. All of the players out of contract are not listed: Forecast, Butterfield, Richardson, Reeves, Hoskins, Chaplow(?), Dickson and Seaborne (though Hoskins is still listed in the U21s). De Ridder is still in contract and still listed.

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Yes but the (slightly!) interesting point is that Hammond has been added in and not Sharp, Forte, Martin and Barnard all of whom are also still in contract. All of the players out of contract are not listed: Forecast, Butterfield, Richardson, Reeves, Hoskins, Chaplow(?), Dickson and Seaborne (though Hoskins is still listed in the U21s). De Ridder is still in contract and still listed.

 

Perhaps we're going to use Hammond in some capacity or other then on the other hand it could be completely arbitrary and we'll see when the real squad pictures come back up.

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The retained list is very much a thing of the past.

Strange then that a Retained List has been published by many teams in the last 2 or 3 weeks, just try Googling Retained List and you will see that it is certainly not a "thing of the past". Sofar Sunderland are the only PL team to publish, although Cardiff & Hull have done son. I believe it is a required document for all English professional football clubs to let other clubs know who is and who is not available for transfer. Just because a player has an on-going contract doesn't mean he cannot be released (i.e. not put on th retained list), just means the club may have to pay up his remaining contract. I would imagine if Deano still has a year or more on his contract that he will be retained, but other clubs will be made aware that he is available for transfer, if not we will loan him out, can't really see him being used next season. Lee has too long to just be released, will possibly be subject of transfer or further loan, but would not surprise me if MP does not want an opportunity to run the rule over him again now that he has managed to play a few games following his recovery from injury. He should at least be ready for a good pre-season this year assuming he doesn't have any holiday mishaps again. Still if St Garrett says he is crap, I guess that MP will take that on board and pack him off in a taxi to Heathrow.

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Why is everyone so seemingly insistent about this? What's wrong with signing some squad players?

 

E.g. Say we need a 6th choice centre back who is better than Seabourne. Well, replacing him doesn't mean spending £15m on some international superstar.

 

I think we need to sign about 3 players for the starting XI, but maybe 4 or 5 who will be typically be subs/squad players/back up.

 

We should always be signing players who are better than our best players, and dropping the ones who aren't as good. Why bring in people who can only do what you can already do ? If they don't bring something better, just stick to the players you already have who know each others' game.

 

Bring in 5 who you expect to be starters and you might get 3 or 4 new starters. Bring in 2 starters and 3 squad players and you'll get, at best, 2 new starters.

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Except as provided in Rules U.31 and U.32, after the second Transfer Window in

each year and on or before the third Saturday in May next following each Club

shall confirm to the Secretary:

U.30.1. whether the list of players provided to it for these purposes via the

Extranet is accurate in all material particulars;

U.30.2. in the case of each Contract Player whose registration it holds and whose

contract expires on the 30th June in that year, whether or not the Club has:

U.30.2.1. offered him a new contract under the provisions of Rule V.17.2; or

U.30.2.2. implemented any option provision in respect of him; and

U.30.3. in the case of each Academy Player whose registration it holds and with

whom it has entered into a Scholarship Agreement, whether or not the

Club has:

U.30.3.1. (if the Academy Player is in the second year of his Scholarship

Agreement) given him written notice, pursuant to clause 4.2 of

the Scholarship Agreement, of the extension of the duration

thereof by one year; and

U.30.3.2. (if the Academy Player is in the second or third year of his

Scholarship Agreement) given him written notice, pursuant to

clause 6.7 of the Scholarship Agreement, of its intention tooffer

him a professional contract as a Contract Player.

L.30

U.31. The date by which each Club is required by Rule U.30 to give confirmation to the

Secretary shall be extended in the case of a Club which on the third Saturday in

May in any year is still participating in the F.A. Cup, [the UEFA Champions League

or the UEFA Europe League] or has yet to play a League Match the outcome of

which could affect:

U.31.1. identification of the League Champions in accordance with Rule C.8; or

U.31.2. identification of the Clubs to be relegated in accordance with Rule C.11; or

U.31.3. qualification for a UEFA competition.

L.31

U.32. In the circumstances mentioned in Rule U.31, the Club shall give the Secretary the

information required by Rule U.30 within 4 days of the last relevant F.A. Cup

match, [uEFA Champions League or UEFA Europe League] or League Match having

been played.

 

U.33. The particulars contained in Clubs’ lists of Players shall be published by the

Secretary by the second Saturday in June in each year.

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