stevy777_x Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Sturridge just came off on a stretcher, with Welbeck only half fit, surely this paves way for Lambert to be called up for the Brazil match. Then again, Hodgson will probably say he is not needed because Walcott can also play up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 I don't think anyone sees Rickie as a longer term prospect as an England striker, but this season's form shows that he is capable of scoring at Prem. level (where others cannot tread). IF he continues to score next season as he has this, then how can they ignore him?.....after the World Cup is over .....they can go back to the thankless task of building long term.....using players like Welbeck who can't even gat a regular spot in MU side .and certainly can't score goals even when he does..he's only there in the first place because he's in the same club as Rooney .......and Roy has convinced himself he's just as good. has always been ....play your best on-form players......and it 'aint Welbeck. This of course, especially about Welbeck is complete tosh Lambert doesnt fit the England mould, its not just about picking form players, that is such a blinkered view, it is about building a squad that can play together in the best formation for the players you have. You also need to be firmly aware of succesion. Its not rocket science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Will be Zaha, he is now fully free to play for England now he has joined United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 This of course, especially about Welbeck is complete tosh Lambert doesnt fit the England mould, its not just about picking form players, that is such a blinkered view, it is about building a squad that can play together in the best formation for the players you have. You also need to be firmly aware of succesion. Its not rocket science See much evidence of that tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 That was ****ing **** tonight. England are so dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 See much evidence of that tonight? Lol no That was crap, as I said earlier, the squad has potential but Woy hasnt got a sodding clue, tactically inept, boring and outdated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 This of course, especially about Welbeck is complete tosh Lambert doesnt fit the England mould, its not just about picking form players, that is such a blinkered view, it is about building a squad that can play together in the best formation for the players you have. You also need to be firmly aware of succesion. Its not rocket science TBH I think Lambert fits the mould better than Defoe. These days a forward has to be more than just a goal scorer. Lambert's far superior team play should see him in there. The one time Defoe got decent possession tonight he chose to run at the defence rather than play a through ball to Walcott. When he finally played it out to him it was inaccurate and Walcott did well to gather it and get a shot away. Unfortunately as well as his age Roy seems to think that Lambert's the same kind of player as Holt. As much as Holt had a good first season in the Prem, Lambert's a far better player with more strings to his bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Lambert isnt mobile enough, other than that I agree regarding technical abilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 I hope hodgsons days are numbered . He's ****e as a manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Lambert isnt mobile enough, other than that I agree regarding technical abilities Lambert has never been particularly mobile but his link up play is getting better, imo, even if he's asked to do a lot in our tactical set up. Could he do a job for england? Maybe, if he's fit. Only way anybody will ever know is if he gets a chance. Besides the lack of numbers in the squad if hes fit I cant see any harm in him going to brazil sunday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 If I was Lambert and was called up now I'd tell woy to **** off and enjoy my holidays with my family somewhere hot ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 "We've got to hope that Welbeck will recover and Defoe will get fitter in the coming days," added Hodgson. "It will be difficult to get someone in now so we will bite the bullet and accept that we are short up front and look at other options." No replacements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 So we have an injured Welbeck, and a not fit Defoe, with Rooney as the only striker. Even if not Lambert, why not draft some other youngster from the under 21's just for the experience or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 No replacements unsurprising it's just for one match where we will probably play a single striker anyway, Walcott can do the job if necessary. Lambert isn't England standard and neither are any of the younger lads which is probably why Gomez and Lewandoski are worth their weight in gold bars because with the German systems you could be roughly assured that they'd make the grade in the PL, something which is never certain with Italians and Spaniards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 You're aware 'England standard' is fcking poor? no it's Defoe,Sturridge,Welbeck,Rooney and Walcott, all far better players than Rickie Lambert will ever be. He really isn't that good. JRod stands a far better chance of an eventual England call up and it isn't likely to be anywhere in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Think its fairly same to say now that Lambert is never going to get an England shout. Sad reflection on the English national side when the boss decides its not worth calling up an extra player even as cover because presumably to his mind there are only 5 strikers capable of playing for England around. Have to say I hope Roy toddles off soon England are so boring to watch at the moment. I understood the need for solidity when he was dropped in for the Euros but that was a year ago and I'm not sure we have seen any improvements really. Can't believe that Rodwell would get the call after the season he's had yet someone like Cork is never mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Sturridge injury is exactly why I wasn't fussed that Lambert didn't get a call up. Thinking of Shaw, I also have bad memories of Bridge getting his call up and not long after buggering off to Chelsea. A tad harsh to say his head was turned. I guess if players don't get recognition they might move to get it so you can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqbadger Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 I miss the days of whoever scores most gets a shirt. Lambert top English goalscorer, for a team battling relegation, yet he still cant even get in the squad. Last nights performance was awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 I miss the days of whoever scores most gets a shirt. Lambert top English goalscorer, for a team battling relegation, yet he still cant even get in the squad. Last nights performance was awful but on those criteria Lampard should be England's striker as well. Woy doesn't count penalties when he's giving out the shirts though But I'm sure that if you take away the penalties Defoe,Rooney,Welbeck,Sturridge and Walcott is about right even on the goals scored basis, may be even Le Fondre as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 no it's Defoe,Sturridge,Welbeck,Rooney and Walcott, all far better players than Rickie Lambert will ever be. He really isn't that good. JRod stands a far better chance of an eventual England call up and it isn't likely to be anywhere in the near future. Rickie Lambert isn't really that good. Did I read that right? I didn't see the others you call far better than Lambert will ever be terrorising a pedestrian Irish defence last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Rickie Lambert isn't really that good. Did I read that right? I didn't see the others you call far better than Lambert will ever be terrorising a pedestrian Irish defence last night. Not that good on a global scale I meant of course. I really doubt if he will be our number 1 striker at kick off on opening day. Could do a job if he's moved back into the advanced midfield role though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Will be Zaha, he is now fully free to play for England now he has joined United. Many a true word is spoken in jest. Yep, now he's at the plastics he will be high on Woy's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Not that good on a global scale I meant of course. I really doubt if he will be our number 1 striker at kick off on opening day. Could do a job if he's moved back into the advanced midfield role though. It wouldn't surprise me either if we don't have a new striker in the starting line up first match next season. The debate though is about Lambert playing for England and his merits versus those of the other available strikers not how he compares on a global scale. What's Hodgson got to lose by calling him up for a friendly when he has all these injuries? We might at least get a head on crosses which we failed to do last night. We might at least have someone on the same wavelength as Rooney. We might even score a free kick or a penalty. How on earth does Carroll trump Lambert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 IMO, players who aren't playing on a regular basis for their club shouldn't be playing for England. It may stop players like Chamberlain, Rodwell, Sinclair, throwing away their chance to play everyweek and be happy to just pick up their wage packet from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 It wouldn't surprise me either if we don't have a new striker in the starting line up first match next season. The debate though is about Lambert playing for England and his merits versus those of the other available strikers not how he compares on a global scale. What's Hodgson got to lose by calling him up for a friendly when he has all these injuries? We might at least get a head on crosses which we failed to do last night. We might at least have someone on the same wavelength as Rooney. We might even score a free kick or a penalty. How on earth does Carroll trump Lambert? Carroll is a far better player than Lambert, whether anyone chooses to admit it or not is another matter. If I had the choice of Carroll or Lambert as princial striker at Saints it would be an absolute no contest. Plus Carroll's defensive contribution is by far superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Carroll is a far better player than Lambert, whether anyone chooses to admit it or not is another matter. If I had the choice of Carroll or Lambert as princial striker at Saints it would be an absolute no contest. Plus Carroll's defensive contribution is by far superior. Carroll would be absolutely useless to Saints way of playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Carroll would be absolutely useless to Saints way of playing. I don't think so, he's a presence in the box and that's what we need, we're good at getting the ball into the box and then wasting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depressed of Shirley Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Carroll is a far better player than Lambert, whether anyone chooses to admit it or not is another matter. If I had the choice of Carroll or Lambert as princial striker at Saints it would be an absolute no contest. Plus Carroll's defensive contribution is by far superior. Well first off, I don't agree Carroll is the better player. But actually the England debate isn't one about which centre forward is best, it is about systems. England are miles away from a good international side in every way. Individually they are not technical enough, and as a team, they just throw away possession, or keep ball in areas where it doesn't matter. Woy would do better to decide whether hew wants an all out "English" style team, with Carroll and Crouch up front, and someone to hoof the ball at them from the half way line, or try and compete with Spain Germany etc, and build a team of inventive technical players who are comfortable on the ball, but who can also spot a pass to set up a goal. At the moment, he doesn't know which way to go, and perhaps he only will make his mind up when more of the "golden generation" retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 The current England team look very poor to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 The current England team look very poor to me. and to everyone else in the country except Hodgson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 and to everyone else in the country except Hodgson Nah, England play just like the Dortmund side that impressed everyone in the CL. Well...according to Hodgson anyway. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/roy-hodgson-compares-england-to-borussia-dortmund-after-gary-lineker-accuses-the-national-side-of-going-back-to-the-dark-ages-8636804.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 England don't have any modern day concept of a footballing "style", no concept of contemporary tactical flexibility or even how to develop it. The English National football team has almost always been about pragmatic winning football. Whatever it takes to win. Sometimes a 100mph running style way has worked, sometimes a long cross from Gerrard to Carroll works, sometimes a young Owen can slalom around Argentinian defenders and score, sometimes Beckham can nail a free kick against Greece, sometimes Platt can hook a volley over his shoulder against Belgium wasn't it....Gascoigne versus Holland and blood stained heroes like Adams can do a job for us at the back. But those are the exceptions. In truth we just repeatedly fail to win anything on the International football stage. We are perennial losers, and worse than that, we are losers who do not learn from our mistakes. We have always had decent "players", sometimes world class players willing to do their utmost for the three lions, doing whatever the gaffer says. Always, every generation has a number of outstanding talents. Like most european countries do. Except we persist in ****ing their talents up the wall with ****e tactics. We have never or rarely had a manager or more importantly, a management set-up for the National team, that emphasized a style, that maxim,ised the talents at its disposal.Look at Spain and Germany - very distinctive- both winning teams, look at Italy Brazil and Argentina- all distinctive World Cup and Euro championships winning teams who played and won and keep winning with a certain style...sure its cyclical and we are due some teutonic domination but that's only until brazil wake up or argentina wake up etc ...England's style is pragmatism born of a near 50 year inferiority complex over footballing technique inferiority complex....I just hope our next manager after the WC is over will be someone like NA or Gary Neville..someone with a belief in a new better way to play. Not this tediously boring uninspiring rubbish. Teams i will pay to watch are Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Holland.....the rest....pah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Carroll is a far better player than Lambert, whether anyone chooses to admit it or not is another matter. If I had the choice of Carroll or Lambert as princial striker at Saints it would be an absolute no contest. Plus Carroll's defensive contribution is by far superior. What the f**k. Have you watched any Premier League games this season? Take the time to watch our goals from this season and see Lambert's contribution, then maybe have a watch of West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Carroll is a far better player than Lambert, whether anyone chooses to admit it or not is another matter. If I had the choice of Carroll or Lambert as princial striker at Saints it would be an absolute no contest. Plus Carroll's defensive contribution is by far superior. ROTFLMAO.... Must be a joke post surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Lambert has scored more goals this season than Andy Carroll has scored the the 2 and a half years since he moved to Liverpool. If you discount Lambert's three penalties and Carroll's 1 penalty it's a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 no it's Defoe,Sturridge,Welbeck,Rooney and Walcott, all far better players than Rickie Lambert will ever be. He really isn't that good. JRod stands a far better chance of an eventual England call up and it isn't likely to be anywhere in the near future. Unsurprisingly I find myself agreeing with you again Window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Unsurprisingly I find myself agreeing with you again Window don't, it's an unpopular opinion cos Lambert well he's god innit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Unsurprisingly I find myself agreeing with you again Window If you think Welbeck is a far better player than Lambert you can't be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 If you think Welbeck is a far better player than Lambert you can't be taken seriously. OK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 If you think Welbeck is a far better player than Lambert you can't be taken seriously. Just because I can look at things objectively and dont have to base ability on whether they wear an Saints shirt on occasion doesnt mean I cannot be taken seriously. I spend enough of my time watching, playing and have spent a lot working within the game to be able to base an opinion. And in my (shortish) life so far, the far majority of my opinions end up being correct. I would say offer Rickie or Welbeck to anyone actually involved in the game right mow and they would take Welbeck, but thats obviously wrong as it is popular on social media to say he is poor right now. If you honestly think the England team is based purely on form you are sadly wrong, I have explained before how an international squad is put together (as you must factor in the small time you have to coach) if you have done any tactical coaching before you will realise it takes time. As per Carroll vs Lambert, they are different players but for me if offered at the start of the season Id take Carroll, Lambert can play midfield v well in an advanced position but we need mobility upfront and Carroll is a bloody handfull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Just because I can look at things objectively and dont have to base ability on whether they wear an Saints shirt on occasion doesnt mean I cannot be taken seriously. I spend enough of my time watching, playing and have spent a lot working within the game to be able to base an opinion. And in my (shortish) life so far, the far majority of my opinions end up being correct. I would say offer Rickie or Welbeck to anyone actually involved in the game right mow and they would take Welbeck, but thats obviously wrong as it is popular on social media to say he is poor right now. If you honestly think the England team is based purely on form you are sadly wrong, I have explained before how an international squad is put together (as you must factor in the small time you have to coach) if you have done any tactical coaching before you will realise it takes time. As per Carroll vs Lambert, they are different players but for me if offered at the start of the season Id take Carroll, Lambert can play midfield v well in an advanced position but we need mobility upfront and Carroll is a bloody handfull. Nice long post, but I don't think many people are pretending that only Saints players are great and everyone is rubbish. But was is very funny is you think Welbeck is a MUCH BETTER player than Lambert. That is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 its utterly tragic that welbeck was 'saved' for Brazil. jesus christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Nice long post, but I don't think many people are pretending that only Saints players are great and everyone is rubbish. But was is very funny is you think Welbeck is a MUCH BETTER player than Lambert. That is hilarious. As I said, footballs all about opinions, and nowhere did I say that he was much better right now. He certainly can be a much better player than Lambert is and my point on who most people would sign (if they weren't Saints fans) still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 England are awful,I hope we get our arses kicked at every opportunity and then perhaps the FA will wake up,get rid of the dinosaur Roy and get rid of all the fookin useless ****s like wellbeck,Defoe and all the other overpaid ponces who only get in the team because they sit on the bench for one of the 'big' clubs. Here's an idea....modern day football is full of stats so why not pick the England team based on stats rather than 'jobs for the boys' and 'who you play for'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Why is it when people say Saints players are good on this forum we are biased? Can't they just be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Why is it when people say Saints players are good on this forum we are biased? Can't they just be good? And other players of other clubs, just not as good as the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Why is it when people say Saints players are good on this forum we are biased? Can't they just be good? Cork would have been perfect for the England midfield last night, Carrick or Lampard needed a defensive head there, Lampard gets forward too much and carrick isnt a tackler at heart. Fwiw even Rodwell would have worked better there and after HT Woy seemed to leash Frank up bit more and use Jones as he covered more. Clyne coukd have been included too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Cork would have been perfect for the England midfield last night, Carrick or Lampard needed a defensive head there, Lampard gets forward too much and carrick isnt a tackler at heart. Fwiw even Rodwell would have worked better there and after HT Woy seemed to leash Frank up bit more and use Jones as he covered more. Clyne coukd have been included too Clyne has a major championship to play in though, no point in sacrificing him for a little pot boiler friendly against Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Clyne has a major championship to play in though, no point in sacrificing him for a little pot boiler friendly against Ireland. Very true, something I completely disagreed with Townsend with (though thats a pretty often occurance), that young players would get more out of a pointless glamour friendly against some barely championship standard side and another that could concievably roll us over 3-0 ? Surely dump the post season friendlies, its better for the youth to get tournament experience and the rest to get some rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Very true, something I completely disagreed with Townsend with (though thats a pretty often occurance), that young players would get more out of a pointless glamour friendly against some barely championship standard side and another that could concievably roll us over 3-0 ? Surely dump the post season friendlies, its better for the youth to get tournament experience and the rest to get some rest. ££££££££££££££££££££££££££ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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