Saint Garrett Posted 21 May, 2013 Posted 21 May, 2013 Looks likely to be in the top 10 longest serving Prem managers as at the start of next season, Crazy.
Olallana Posted 21 May, 2013 Posted 21 May, 2013 And people are accusing Cortese for being trigger-happy
Deano6 Posted 21 May, 2013 Posted 21 May, 2013 Pardew will be number 2 longest when Moyes officially leaves. Presumably Nigel would then have been Number 3 if he'd remained.
The9 Posted 21 May, 2013 Posted 21 May, 2013 That is utterly ridiculous - yet the most successful team has had the same person in charge for the previous 26 years. You'd think they'd learn.
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2013 Author Posted 22 May, 2013 (edited) Heard this morning that Pardew has gone and to be replaced by Poyet, with Pardew possibly going to Stoke....Not sure how true that is though. The management world has gone stupid. Edited 22 May, 2013 by Saint Garrett
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2013 Author Posted 22 May, 2013 (edited) Since Wenger last won a trophy at arsenal, every other 91 league clubs have changed manager. And those 91 clubs have had 838 managers in that time. Crazy! Edited 22 May, 2013 by Saint Garrett
jam Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 That is utterly ridiculous - yet the most successful team has had the same person in charge for the previous 26 years. You'd think they'd learn. In fairness SAF only had that long because he kept on winning. Similar with Wenger at Arsenal - he won loads when he first started so he's earned a bit of grace (which I admit he wouldn't get at City, Chelsea or possibly even Tottenham). I'd be absolutely astounded if Moyes is given five years* before he wins his first trophy. (*think it was 5 years before SAF won anything..?)
dinger Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 That is utterly ridiculous - yet the most successful team has had the same person in charge for the previous 26 years. You'd think they'd learn. And yet probably the second most successful team in recent years, Chelsea, has become synonymous with managerial instability. It takes more than one example to make a rule.
Deano6 Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 Since Wenger took his position at arsenal, every other 91 league clubs have changed manager. And those 91 clubs have had 838 managers in that time. Crazy! The first part is just saying that Wenger is the longest serving manager in the leagues, which at 17 years is not a surprise. The second part sounds a little more surprising, but is basically saying average tenure is a little under 2 years - which intuitively sounds about right. Especially with the likes of Blackburn employing 5 in a year!
dinger Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 The first part is just saying that Wenger is the longest serving manager in the leagues, which at 17 years is not a surprise. The second part sounds a little more surprising, but is basically saying average tenure is a little under 2 years - which intuitively sounds about right. Especially with the likes of Blackburn employing 5 in a year! The more interesting stat which was being quoted in the press recently is that since Wenger last won a trophy, every other league club has changed its manager.
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 The more interesting stat which was being quoted in the press recently is that since Wenger last won a trophy, every other league club has changed its manager. Qualification for the Champions League is now seen as more important than actually winning a trophy.
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2013 Author Posted 22 May, 2013 The more interesting stat which was being quoted in the press recently is that since Wenger last won a trophy, every other league club has changed its manager. Ah, yes, that was what I was meant to write !!
Marsdinho Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 That is utterly ridiculous - yet the most successful team has had the same person in charge for the previous 26 years. You'd think they'd learn. I'm not sure longevity has anything to do with it, Arsene Wenger and David Moyes have both been around for a long time and have won the nothing between them in the last 7 years.
This Charming Man Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 Qualification for the Champions League is now seen as more important than actually winning a trophy. Unfortunately to the people balancing the books it is. There is far more to gain from playing a few games in the CL than actually winning a cup, which is a sad reflection of the modern game.
This Charming Man Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 I'm not sure longevity has anything to do with it, Arsene Wenger and David Moyes have both been around for a long time and have won the nothing between them in the last 7 years. If Man City and Chelsea didn't have their billionaire owners, I can guarantee Arsenal would've carried on winning trophies. Their board decided not to rack up hundreds of millions in debt and I say fair play to them.
Marsdinho Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 If Man City and Chelsea didn't have their billionaire owners, I can guarantee Arsenal would've carried on winning trophies. Their board decided not to rack up hundreds of millions in debt and I say fair play to them. I didn't say Arsenal haven't been fiscally prudent, just pointing out that longevity alone doesn't guarantee success.
This Charming Man Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 I didn't say Arsenal haven't been fiscally prudent, just pointing out that longevity alone doesn't guarantee success. The point I was making is that it would've in their case if Chelsea and then Man City hadn't been transformed overnight by their multi billionaire owners.
SaintRobbie Posted 22 May, 2013 Posted 22 May, 2013 Heard this morning that Pardew has gone and to be replaced by Poyet, with Pardew possibly going to Stoke....Not sure how true that is though. The management world has gone stupid. http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/newcastle-united/s70/st182312/rumour-has-it-pardew-has-been-sacked Rumours rumours.... but you'd certainly not be insane to put a bet on that he will be sacked.
This Charming Man Posted 23 May, 2013 Posted 23 May, 2013 True, but at the same time, perhaps not spending big money on people like Gervinho, Arshavin and Santos might have helped. If he'd risk looking to the Championship or lower premiership for talent he'd be doing a lot better. Like Aaron Ramsey? Arshavin did well for a few years. Admittedly the other 2 were flops but given his other signings in the past, surely he's allowed the odd flop and it's only natural there will be the odd flop.
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2013 Posted 23 May, 2013 Unfortunately to the people balancing the books it is. There is far more to gain from playing a few games in the CL than actually winning a cup, which is a sad reflection of the modern game. It is very sad when scraping 4th in one tournement you've got no chance of winning, gains you access to another tournement you've got no chance of winning, but is celebrated like winning the world cup.
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