lordswoodsaints Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 I posted earlier in the season about players slipping and wether or not it was down to boots or watered pitch. Today there was a lot of slipping again and it led to stoke scoring. So is it down to the pitch or down to the boots?......either way I think it cost us the 3 points today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Thought I saw sprinklers come on at half time but my stream was pretty low def ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Wasn't just the Saints game, watched a large portion of the Newcastle/Arsenal game and could of sworn they were playing on ice at times there was so much slippage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 How did it affect the pitch invasion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 So many players were slipping over today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 I think it's ridiculous that the players warm up and then the pitch is watered. How are they supposed to know which boots to wear if the conditions are changed after the warm up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Was very annoying and contributed to the result. Lallana seemed to slip over every time he got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 On the plus side, a slick surface probably helps our playing style, although it wouldn't do much for Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Going on the colour of the grass it looked like it was too dry rather than too wet, and the way the ball sped away also pointed to this, a hard surface will also give grip issues. Probably find stud technology has not kept up with the demands the players put on them when changing direction. The sprinklers never seem to reach the edge of the pitch on a Matchday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 The pitch was watered before the game and again at half time. Shaw slipped for the first goal and several of the others Clyne and Hooiveld included slipped several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Clyne always slips at least twice per match at home. Hooiveld often slips. Either way, although the surface looks amazing, some of our players do seem to struggle to get to grips with it (lolzz!111!!) at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Just watered my lawn at home and then ran on it and slipped over so I can understand why the players were having problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 I wouldn't always blame slips on the pitch. In many cases - those involving Jos in particular - they result from failing to read the game quickly enough and being forced into sudden directional changes. Clyne slipped quite a lot early-season but less as he became more comfortable at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 People have been slipping up all season, but today seemed particularly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Early in the second half there was so much water at the Northam end the ball was leaving a splash trail in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 On the plus side, a slick surface probably helps our playing style, although it wouldn't do much for Stoke. Saints made 427 passes during the game, Stoke made 200odd and had 32 flick ons... Says it all about them as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 On the plus side, a slick surface probably helps our playing style, although it wouldn't do much for Stoke. Indeed, but there's no point in a better playing style if players are going to fall over and concede goals because of it. It always seems to be our players that do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Probably down to those stupid blade boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 down to the sprinklers we have have same problem at club i am associated with if we turn on at half time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 If it's not raining they put the sprinklers on before ko and at ht every game and today it cost us, as it did when Clyne slipped in the box earlier in the season and our opponents scored right in front of us in the Chapel (can't recall versus). Dear Groundsman, please stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 This is one of my pet hates at home games. Our players had slipped over 8 times in the first 8minutes yesterday. It is definitely worse for us that the opposition as well. Usual culprits are clyne, Big Jos, lallana and fonte. I think cork went over a few times yesterday. I don't know if it is our studs or our style of play or what, but i think it has cost us goals this season, at both ends (i.e lallana through on goal yesterday)... Needs sorting out for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Probably down to those stupid blade boots. I thought they went out of fashion a few years ago. Not seen any of our players wearing them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) Early in the second half there was so much water at the Northam end the ball was leaving a splash trail in places. I didn't see the pitch for all of half time, but they spent most of half time only watering the Northam, presumably to ensure the ball wouldn't stick when flicked on by Crouch or when bouncing from a long ball. Edited 20 May, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I thought they went out of fashion a few years ago. Not seen any of our players wearing them this year. Most of them wear mixed sole plates with studs and "blades" on now (for want of a better term). I've worn firm ground boots since 1998 and never had a problem with grip, and the only "blades" I ever saw as problematic for grip were Puma speed boots circa 2003 which had no lateral movement fin on the ball of the feet and all the studs facing forwards, so any attempt to change direction meant the player was putting a flat sheer plastic surface onto grass. Blaming "blades" is just lazy scapegoating, there's literally no evidence supporting the lack of grip "problem" apart from one batch of badly-designed soles 10 years ago. Players are falling over because they are moving very quickly and changing direction more often and more rapidly than ever before on pitches which are almost always damp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Going on the colour of the grass it looked like it was too dry rather than too wet, and the way the ball sped away also pointed to this, a hard surface will also give grip issues. Probably find stud technology has not kept up with the demands the players put on them when changing direction. The sprinklers never seem to reach the edge of the pitch on a Matchday. How do you work out that a dry pitch will stop a ball less well than a wet one ? A dry pitch has more friction, and wet doesn't, so that is literally against the laws of physics. If it was too dry but had water sitting on it because it couldn't drain, it wouldn't be the dryness that was causing the slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 The amount of times some of our players slipped over was ridiculous - especially Lallana. Don't they wear studs? My impression was that Stoke did not slip over as often. All seems rather silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Was all the way in Block 4, so couldn't see clearly; but did they have a decent shout for a pen after Jos slipped and let the attacker clean through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 The amount of times some of our players slipped over was ridiculous - especially Lallana. Don't they wear studs? My impression was that Stoke did not slip over as often. All seems rather silly. Lallana had new boots on, first time he's worn those black Pumas with fluorescent yellow on this season, might not have his preferred sole plate, but equally, he's the one of our players who changes direction quickly the most. I can't say I really noticed more than 2 or 3 slips all match, which wasn't much considering how wet the pitch was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 These are the kind of Pumas I was referring to which were useless for changing direction as there are no lateral "fins" to push against to redirect your weight - though these are actually from 2010 ! : Pretty sure these are Lallana's new boots, as you can see, nothing controversial about the firm ground sole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 The amount of times some of our players slipped over was ridiculous - especially Lallana. Don't they wear studs? My impression was that Stoke did not slip over as often. All seems rather silly. maybe because there players never turn and are always looking skywards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 If it's not raining they put the sprinklers on before ko and at ht every game and today it cost us, as it did when Clyne slipped in the box earlier in the season and our opponents scored right in front of us in the Chapel (can't recall versus). Dear Groundsman, please stop it. Van Persie for Man Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Well seeing as only a handful of players slipped, I'd blame their boots. Clyne and Lallana have been falling over, both home and away, all season so I'm not buying into it being the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2013 I saw kelvin,lallana,hooiveld,shaw,puncheon and Morgan slip so that's half the team......there may have been more that I missed. Watering the pitch didn't do us any favours if the idea was to nullify stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Recall that Liverpool seemed to fall over all the time as well. It rather ruins the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Van Persie for Man Utd? Thanks -that's the fella. Knew it was a bandy-legged, greying Dutchman but couldn't recall his name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Well seeing as only a handful of players slipped, I'd blame their boots. Clyne and Lallana have been falling over, both home and away, all season so I'm not buying into it being the pitch But they've both been wearing different types of boots to each other - and in Clyne's case the same boots as other players on the pitch who haven't been falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 I fell over once. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Most of them wear mixed sole plates with studs and "blades" on now (for want of a better term). I've worn firm ground boots since 1998 and never had a problem with grip, and the only "blades" I ever saw as problematic for grip were Puma speed boots circa 2003 which had no lateral movement fin on the ball of the feet and all the studs facing forwards, so any attempt to change direction meant the player was putting a flat sheer plastic surface onto grass. Blaming "blades" is just lazy scapegoating, there's literally no evidence supporting the lack of grip "problem" apart from one batch of badly-designed soles 10 years ago. Players are falling over because they are moving very quickly and changing direction more often and more rapidly than ever before on pitches which are almost always damp. Watch The Big Match reruns. Footballers playing on damp pitches then weren't like Bambi on ice because they had proper boots with aluminium studs. For dry pitches they would put a pair of moulded Adidas Beckenbaur's on and still they managed not to all over. Mixed sole plates my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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