Noodles34 Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Where on earth are these people getting their ideas from? Is Cortese that intimidating that his employees have to toe his party line? We have had from Mo Po and even Nige at the start of the season. It seems like they 'have' to say it. Forget ticket tax and parking, my only concern with NC is how manipulates his employees. I mean surely Paine knows about football and though I wouldn't say it was impossible (Newcastle nearly did it last season with what has proved to be a pretty ordinary side), it just seems ridiculous that these people are actually coming out and saying it. I'm all for NC, but I do wonder how much of a power trip he is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Does it really bother you that much? Would you rather Paine wanted us to be 12th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 I think terry Paine regularly talks out if his backside. He wanted wigley to stay for 5 years if I remember, and his latest comments are of someone who hasn't got a bloomin clue. Great player but needs to smell the bloomin coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 I think terry Paine regularly talks out if his backside. He wanted wigley to stay for 5 years if I remember, and his latest comments are of someone who hasn't got a bloomin clue. Great player but needs to smell the bloomin coffee. Your language is f u c king atrocious Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 17 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Does it really bother you that much? Would you rather Paine wanted us to be 12th? Think you are missing the point, it's not a case of bothering me, it's the fact that anyone in their right mind is not going to say we are going to finish 4th. I would imagine he has a sound mind, so wtf would he say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Where on earth are these people getting their ideas from? Is Cortese that intimidating that his employees have to toe his party line? We have had from Mo Po and even Nige at the start of the season. It seems like they 'have' to say it. Forget ticket tax and parking, my only concern with NC is how manipulates his employees. I mean surely Paine knows about football and though I wouldn't say it was impossible (Newcastle nearly did it last season with what has proved to be a pretty ordinary side), it just seems ridiculous that these people are actually coming out and saying it. I'm all for NC, but I do wonder how much of a power trip he is on. Then again we don't know what signings are planned? The players seem pretty pleased with the ways things are and the ambition at the moment- so perhaps there is a plan! Wasn't there talk of a top 6 target for next year? Could be an epic fall or we could continue on an incredible journey under NC.... Remember a few years ago people laughed at the 5 year plan to be back in the premier league- however people talked about that reasonably openly? Not sure why comments like Terry Paines seem to wind you or others up so much? Is it just as they are magnified on here? Personally I would rather hear noises out of the club about pushing on up than here about "consolidation" for ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Think you are missing the point, it's not a case of bothering me, it's the fact that anyone in their right mind is not going to say we are going to finish 4th. I would imagine he has a sound mind, so wtf would he say that? Perhaps he honestly believes it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_kev Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Where on earth are these people getting their ideas from? .... I'm all for NC, but I do wonder how much of a power trip he is on. Or maybe people are really impressed by him. Just a thought . The guy in charge at my place of work is a tough no nonsense bloke but he's the most driven, insightful and visionary leader I've ever come across. I wouldn't put him down on my Christmas card list but he's the very good for us. He'd be no good at SFC though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Newcastle did overachieve last season but to be fair they're an awful lot better than their league position suggests now. They don't have a big enough squad to compete in Europe even if you ignore the amazing string of crippling injuries throughout the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 (edited) Top 4 is what ......70 points so (assuming we beat Stoke) we'd need another 27 next season. There are a few results that we could obviously better from this season. Wigan Home,QPR home,Sunderland home all +3 so that's 9 Fulham home,Norwich home,Swansea home, all +2 so that's 6 more so we'd need another 12 points, need to get them from teams like West Brom where we got nothing, West Ham where we only got 1 and at least something from teams like Spurs. so getting 70 points isn't unthinkable but we do need to be able to score where we haven't this year... Edited 18 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 Newcastle did overachieve last season but to be fair they're an awful lot better than their league position suggests now. They don't have a big enough squad to compete in Europe even if you ignore the amazing string of crippling injuries throughout the team Newcastle have had a lot of bad injuries this season and as I said at the time some of the French lads that they bought aren't great shakes or very consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 Top 7 is more realistic for next season than top 4. We would still need to improve quite a bit and this summers signings would need to be quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 Top 4 sounds mental to me. I think the top 5 are some considerable away of the rest and then Liverpool and Everton are measurably better than the teams from 8th downwards. Maybe Everton will unravel a bit without Moyes, especially if they lose some of their stronger players. But I still think this makes 7th, and more likely 8th, the highest reasonable target for some while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 Then again we don't know what signings are planned? The players seem pretty pleased with the ways things are and the ambition at the moment- so perhaps there is a plan! Wasn't there talk of a top 6 target for next year? Could be an epic fall or we could continue on an incredible journey under NC.... Remember a few years ago people laughed at the 5 year plan to be back in the premier league- however people talked about that reasonably openly? Not sure why comments like Terry Paines seem to wind you or others up so much? Is it just as they are magnified on here? Personally I would rather hear noises out of the club about pushing on up than here about "consolidation" for ever! A club of our size should be in the premierleague, thats reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 It's his opinion, he's there to big up the club...not sure why it would worry you? Aim for the sun, hit the moon perhaps...personally I'd be disappointed with anything less than automatic Champions League qualification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Top 4 sounds mental to me. I think the top 5 are some considerable away of the rest and then Liverpool and Everton are measurably better than the teams from 8th downwards. Maybe Everton will unravel a bit without Moyes, especially if they lose some of their stronger players. But I still think this makes 7th, and more likely 8th, the highest reasonable target for some while. I agree. Ambitious and realistic. Say "top 4" and the team will all say "yeah! Top4!" but inside they are saying ("this guy is in the wrong planet...."). "yes boss! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 What is it with this message board? A club legend thinks we could be a top four side and all of a sudden he's got Cortese behind him operating him like a ventriloquist's dummy? All of a sudden a man who's played the game at the highest level doesn't know a thing and some bloke on an interweb messageboard who's probably just about played pub football, knows better... Are we that scared of being successful that we'll shoot down anyone who dares predict something good for this club?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 What is it with this message board? A club legend thinks we could be a top four side and all of a sudden he's got Cortese behind him operating him like a ventriloquist's dummy? All of a sudden a man who's played the game at the highest level doesn't know a thing and some bloke on an interweb messageboard who's probably just about played pub football, knows better... Are we that scared of being successful that we'll shoot down anyone who dares predict something good for this club?? I'm not scared of being successful at all. But I think it's worth keeping a sense of realism. If Terry Paine had said "Saints are going to win the league next season by at least ten points", I'd consider that mental rather than ambitious. Saying we could finish top 4 is clearly less mental, but still pretty damned fanciful IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 What is it with this message board? A club legend thinks we could be a top four side and all of a sudden he's got Cortese behind him operating him like a ventriloquist's dummy? All of a sudden a man who's played the game at the highest level doesn't know a thing and some bloke on an interweb messageboard who's probably just about played pub football, knows better... Are we that scared of being successful that we'll shoot down anyone who dares predict something good for this club?? Do you think we can finish top 4 next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 so getting 70 points isn't unthinkable but we do need to be able to score where we haven't this year... ... and not concede the goals we have this year and we're there. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 we will win the league next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Just perhaps, Terry has had insight to the significant plans of NC's that have just been ratified by the Trust? We're looking to steal a march on transfers before July - this could mean some exciting signings. Top 4 might seem daft, but belief is the starting point in any ambitious journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 The ambition of top 4 (whether you feel its possible or not) will likely to be a new 5 year plan or something along those lines. To say top 4 next season is totally unrealistic unless we spend big big time, which we all know is not financially sustainable and therefore unlikely given the manner in which the club has been run thus far under NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Do you think we can finish top 4 next season? Who knows? There were plenty of people who thought we'd struggle this season and yet here we are comfortably safe before the last game, beating the Champions of England, the Champions of Europe and Liverpool and then ran the new Champions all the way home and away. This is also the same team that a lot of people thought would struggle in the Championship and yet we weren't out of the top two all of that season. Do I think I think we'll finish top 4? Unlikely in my opinion but impossible? No, not with the proper investment and a few top notch signings. Why do we seem so eager to shoot ourselves down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Who knows? There were plenty of people who thought we'd struggle this season and yet here we are comfortably safe before the last game, beating the Champions of England, the Champions of Europe and Liverpool and then ran the new Champions all the way home and away. This is also the same team that a lot of people thought would struggle in the Championship and yet we weren't out of the top two all of that season. Do I think I think we'll finish top 4? Unlikely in my opinion but impossible? No, not with the proper investment and a few top notch signings. Why do we seem so eager to shoot ourselves down? How much would you consider to be the 'proper investment' to get us into the top 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 It's becoming pretty clear that the mongboard standard for predicting where we are finishing next year is to predict a maxium position of 7th-8th. Not allowed to say any higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Think you are missing the point, it's not a case of bothering me, it's the fact that anyone in their right mind is not going to say we are going to finish 4th. I would imagine he has a sound mind, so wtf would he say that? There is no harm in setting hard targets to achieve. Better to say we are aiming at top 4 and under shoot to mid table than to say our aim is to be mid table and undershoot to relegation. also we are about to enter negotiations with a number of key players we want to join the club. Ambition will be key to getting them in. Who wants to join a club whose main aim is to avoid relegation? Yes it may be wishful thinking but where is the harm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 It's becoming pretty clear that the mongboard standard for predicting where we are finishing next year is to predict a maxium position of 7th-8th. Not allowed to say any higher. Perhaps because any higher would be rather silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Perhaps because any higher would be rather silly. Ok, lets say we can finish 7th-8th based on not knowing how much we going to spend and who we are going to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 And those would indeed be the upper reaches. No amount of summer improvement, barring a dramatic collapse from a large handful of top teams, would get us anywhere near the top 4. 7th or 8th is very ambitious but just about achievable if we improve to the absolute best of our capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Ok, will look forward to maybe finishing 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 we'll see the likes of Ryan Seager step up. Is this really the way to end a post suggesting we could finish in the top four? Ryan Seager? I don't think anybody at the club has said anything about top four next season, only when looking further ahead. Nobody has ever spent their way from our position to the Champions League in one season. Stop thinking about it - aim for top half next season and then see where we are. Probably still a way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Do I think we will finish 4th next season, no I dont. But I dont see any problem with aiming so high. I think one of the reason why West Brom has declined the second half of the season is because they went into the season with the goal to get to 40 points as soon as possible and as soon they were pretty much there they started to decline and much of that is because of mentality I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 May, 2013 Share Posted 19 May, 2013 Depending naturally on what our investment is on new players in the Summer and what happens at Liverpool, Everton and Spurs, there is a possibility that we could finish at 7th or even 6th. Bale's goals at Spurs are the difference between them finishing where they are and finishing several places lower. Can they keep him? The same applies to Liverpool with Suarez. Who knows how Everton will fare without Moyse? There are several imponderables before a firmer conclusion could be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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