SNSUN Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Which departures would worry you ? Me : Cork Schneidelin Boruc Clyne Shaw J-Rod Puncheon on current form, I am somewhat "meh" about the rest.. Boruc and Puncheon are both replaceable should we have to, though I agree with the others. I'd add Lambert, who's done more for us in the last four seasons than anyone since Matt Le Tissier, and who could still go on to have a couple more successful seasons (and I personally hope he's here until he retires - he deserves to be), and Lallana, who irrespective of recent form is still very talented and could go on to have a wonderful career here. (I'd also add the likes of James Ward-Prowse too, as it's key we keep hold of our talented youngsters.) It seems losing Cortese would set off a chain of events that could see us back in the lower leagues, so I pray, desperately, that this is all resolved quickly and stays as it is.
trousers Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 @JFBLucas: Just got in from work. Last week of the season it may be, but there's no sign of things quietening down in the media department. #saintsfc Can't think why...
Jackie@home Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 That's not actually very logical, SNSUN, because if they Liebherr family regard us as just a business proposition, they ought to sell now whilst we are in the Premier League, and Cortese is supposed to have been lining up investors in case they lose interest. If they are still interested, but they just want another style of chief executive who acts in a less abrasive fashion, neither scenario would mean plummeting down the leagues.
Dalek2003 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 OK.. If it happens let's consider the possibilities. * We get in a new CEO with different qualities but equally effective. NC has his faults. * MP goes and we get Martinez to replace him. That wouldn't be so bad. Let's look at positive outcomes as well as the negative ones. We could see another successful manager from the past return.
Saints Warrior Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Get rid of him before the Stoke game. Where in the FA coaching course does it say pick the team best suited to an accountant . For god sake you got the job at the expense of NA. If you don't like the job at Saints leave now. Pitch invasion to get him out unless he speaks up and commits to club
Chewy Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 We could see another successful manager from the past return. But strachans in employment ...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) Get rid of him before the Stoke game. Where in the FA coaching course does it say pick the team best suited to an accountant . For god sake you got the job at the expense of NA. If you don't like the job at Saints leave now. Pitch invasion to get him out unless he speaks up and commits to club Is this you volunteering to get bitten by a police dog ? Because it sounds like it. I don't think there's one other person on this forum that intends to invade the pitch to protest that our "head coach" isn't committing his future to the club. In fact I'm not sure that many are bothered, he's only been here about 4 months, and if nothing else the manager change has shown there's not much difference in that time overall. Personally I couldn't give a toss whether he SAYS he's staying or not, it's what he's thinking that important, and by pinning his colours to the Chairman's mast what he's saying is "I'm here to do a job for the person who appointed me", not "damn I love Saints so much". Edited 16 May, 2013 by The9
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 @JFBLucas: Just got in from work. Last week of the season it may be, but there's no sign of things quietening down in the media department. #saintsfc Can't think why... Well it's not a bloody kit launch if those rumours are true.
northam soul Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I assume at some point he will be moving his wife and kids over here ? or not. It would not be practical to leave them in spain surely. Maybe he has known this for a while which is why they are still in spain. Having signed a long contract I would of thought he would be desperate for tem to be with him.
Dr Who? Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 All mind games, but can see them selling up in the future. They have a 5 year plan that Marcus wanted carrying up, they must stick to this surely. Not sure what the future holds, but rocky road ahead I think, as that 'togetherness' has well and truly been shattered. Owners sell the club, chairman leaves, manager leaves, players leave..... Back to square 1 for SFC!
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 Don't worry, there's another south American coming available just along the coast from here!
sammysaint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 MP can **** off then, he should be here because of Southampton Football Club not because of a person, this club is bigger then NC and MP, as for NC he can also F off if he is trying to get people to back him and pressure ML family, il take there ownership and different chairman, it ML money that saved us not NC. Disgrace that something like this is happening when were doing ok and its working well with NC as chairman.
Roger Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 MP can **** off then, he should be here because of Southampton Football Club not because of a person, this club is bigger then NC and MP, as for NC he can also F off if he is trying to get people to back him and pressure ML family, il take there ownership and different chairman, it ML money that saved us not NC. Disgrace that something like this is happening when were doing ok and its working well with NC as chairman. I agree very unprofessional from mp.
trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I work for the company I do more because of who the owner/boss is rather than because I have an undying love for the company itself. If the owner/boss was to leave then I would be as likely to follow him out of the door as stay. People work for people not for companies. This notion that a manager should have unconditional loyalty to a football club is a little quaint IMO
Glasgow_Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I agree very unprofessional from mp. Couple of suggestions this morning that the club may suspend pinocchio for this. Looks like he's trying to turn players heads too which is a disgrace
saintbob40 Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I am sure a bunch of Swiss trustees are most perplexed by the asset they hold and the crazy Italian (descent) despot who manages the asset for them. They would probably much rather deal in Government gilts/ bonds generating a 1% yield a year and model the return with absolute certainty- rather than deal with such a volatile asset which is impossible to model- because that's what they know. The problem for them is the rules of the trust instrument ( I guess ) may prohibit a sale or a sale other than in certain fixed circumstances and the fact that Cortese has proved to be successful. Cortese himself appears to have been brought to heal having had free reign and has probably promised MP and the players who have signed new contracts a future that Cortese cannot now deliver. He has overplayed his hand and for once comes across as naive. In fairness to him this looks to be about more than just his salary and he may have the best interests of the club at heart. But then again who the **** knows!
Glasgow_Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I work for the company I do more because of who the owner/boss is rather than because I have an undying love for the company itself. If the owner/boss was to leave then I would be as likely to follow him out of the door as stay. People work for people not for companies. This notion that a manager should have unconditional loyalty to a football club is a little quaint IMO You work for money
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 MP can **** off then, he should be here because of Southampton Football Club not because of a person, this club is bigger then NC and MP, as for NC he can also F off if he is trying to get people to back him and pressure ML family, il take there ownership and different chairman, it ML money that saved us not NC. Disgrace that something like this is happening when were doing ok and its working well with NC as chairman. Top post.
tajjuk Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 MP can **** off then, he should be here because of Southampton Football Club not because of a person, this club is bigger then NC and MP, as for NC he can also F off if he is trying to get people to back him and pressure ML family, il take there ownership and different chairman, it ML money that saved us not NC. Disgrace that something like this is happening when were doing ok and its working well with NC as chairman. It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable.
Langleysaint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. Spot on !!!
trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. Rationality and the Saints Web Forum. A volatile mix
Olallana Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. Post of the season. You should get a watch
Sour Mash Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I work for the company I do more because of who the owner/boss is rather than because I have an undying love for the company itself. If the owner/boss was to leave then I would be as likely to follow him out of the door as stay. People work for people not for companies. This notion that a manager should have unconditional loyalty to a football club is a little quaint IMO I expect most of Man United's players are going to leave now Ferguson has gone?
Dynamo Naive Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. No, b*ll**ks, if he hasn't got undying loyalty to a club he hadn't heard of six months ago and isn't prepared to put Saints ahead of his career and family he can do one
adrian lord Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. Yep, rug out from under feet.
trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I expect most of Man United's players are going to leave now Ferguson has gone? Ferguson isn't "going" from the club.
Sour Mash Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 Ferguson isn't "going" from the club. Change that to Moyes or Mancini then, I expect all the players from their former clubs are going to leave?
Minty Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I would suggest there's a subtle difference between a player expressing concern about the future and 'all the players going to leave'.
Saint Lindford Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 Couple of suggestions this morning that the club may suspend pinocchio for this. Looks like he's trying to turn players heads too which is a disgrace Source/links ??
Dig Dig Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I would suggest there's a subtle difference between a player expressing concern about the future and 'all the players going to leave'. Exactly, it's not as if they can just all walk out anyway.
Minty Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Completely agree with everything you said, and said something similar on the previous page... but unfortunately I *don't* find it amazing that people can't see things from another point of view. This forum is full of people who can't, so it ceased to be amazing to me a long time ago!!!
Sour Mash Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 Exactly, it's not as if they can just all walk out anyway. No, people work for people, not companies according to Trousers.
jjsaint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. A lot of us will have empathy for Pochettino's situation. What I objhect to is the wat he has spoken to the media about it.
Minty Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 No, people work for people, not companies according to Trousers. It's a bit more subtle than that, and I'm sure your position and trousers' are closer than you think... I know there were previous jobs where I was initially tempted to join because of the enthusiasm of the person who recruited me, and then I grew to like the company as a result. Equally, I've worked in places where I didn't like my boss particularly, but believed in the company. What I would say is that the relationships you develop at work have more bearing on a happy and healthy employment than just who it is you work for, because that is what guides every day at work. You have to deal with these people every day. But everyone will be different. So it is no surprise at all for me that after just 4 months, AT THE MOMENT, MP feels more loyalty to the person who recruited him, than the club itself.
trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's a bit more subtle than that, and I'm sure your position and trousers' are closer than you think... I know there were previous jobs where I was initially tempted to join because of the enthusiasm of the person who recruited me, and then I grew to like the company as a result. Equally, I've worked in places where I didn't like my boss particularly, but believed in the company. What I would say is that the relationships you develop at work have more bearing on a happy and healthy employment than just who it is you work for, because that is what guides every day at work. You have to deal with these people every day. But everyone will be different. So it is no surprise at all for me that after just 4 months, AT THE MOMENT, MP feels more loyalty to the person who recruited him, than the club itself. Nicely put. Can I hire you to articulate my views better than I can more often?
VectisSaint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 Couple of suggestions this morning that the club may suspend pinocchio for this. Excellent, I find Phil Thomson particularly irritating on Sky Sports. Wasn't aware he was involved directly with saints though.
aintforever Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's a bit more subtle than that, and I'm sure your position and trousers' are closer than you think... I know there were previous jobs where I was initially tempted to join because of the enthusiasm of the person who recruited me, and then I grew to like the company as a result. Equally, I've worked in places where I didn't like my boss particularly, but believed in the company. What I would say is that the relationships you develop at work have more bearing on a happy and healthy employment than just who it is you work for, because that is what guides every day at work. You have to deal with these people every day. But everyone will be different. So it is no surprise at all for me that after just 4 months, AT THE MOMENT, MP feels more loyalty to the person who recruited him, than the club itself. I don't think it's anything to do with the person, just the money he was promised he would have to spend. If a new chairman came in and gave him more it would be "Nicola who?".
Minty Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I'm sure that money is part of it, but without faith in the person who will deliver that money to him, and who will help maintain sustainable finances in other aspects of the business, he wouldn't be here. The experiences of our skate neighbours should be enough to demonstrate that - as each owner came and went, a lot of the fans were only concerned with the money that was (allegedly) being brought in. Had they looked more closely at the track records of the people with that (alleged) money, or who were going to manage that (alleged) money, perhaps they wouldn't be where they are today.
SaintRichmond Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 But strachans in employment ... No he's not He's in charge of the Scottish National "team"
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 No, people work for people, not companies according to Trousers. I have found a new job due to my boss leaving, so I have to say I agree with Trousers.
doddisalegend Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 All mind games, but can see them selling up in the future. They have a 5 year plan that Marcus wanted carrying up, they must stick to this surely. Not sure what the future holds, but rocky road ahead I think, as that 'togetherness' has well and truly been shattered. Owners sell the club, chairman leaves, manager leaves, players leave..... Back to square 1 for SFC! Yeah but the fans don't leave (well some of them probably will)....... thing is don't we all support SFC the club. Owners, chairmen, managers and players come and go. SFC is the supporters. I mean no matter what league, what players, what owner I'll still go and watch saints when I can afford to. I must be getting old becuase I'm really not that worried about this. It's not exactly going back to square one there will still be a club (in the PL if such things are important to you) to go and watch on a saturday next season and that's all that matters to me.
brmbrm Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 It's amazing people can never see things from other points of view. Empathy is one of the most underrated emotions. Put yourself in Pochettino's shoes, you've been a successful manager in Spain, highly rated young coach who's tenure at your favourite club ended bitterly as your best players were sold form under you. You've had some offers from other clubs but this guy contacts you about a job at club you've never heard of but he promises investment, describes a project, with talented young players in a team that won't be sold, with ambitions to move the club up the table onto bigger and better things. So you agree, excited by the project, up and move yourself to a new country into a not well know area and vow to learn a new language. You put all your enthusiasm into the job, work 12 hours a day. You have a solid start but thing could go better but you secure survival and can now but the big promised plans into action with a full pre-season ahead and signings all ready being lined up. Suddenly the guy that has brought you there, promised this backing might leave, the guarantees about funding and not selling players might be taken away. I think his position is very understandable. Unrealistic, i htink. I disagree: your whole tenet is that it requires NC to be there for ALL the other things to happen, and clearly that is wrong. Witness NA's departure and the way the team just went and played football. Cortese goes, new chairman arrives, new chairman says "we want you to establish us in the top 8", bungs some money, so why shold that change ANYTHING in Pochettino's plan? Are you suggesting it is "i only want to ssucced if Cortese os here". Of course not. loyalty is bought in this game every day of the week, and would Mp be any differebt. More likely he has been told what to say, or is just blowing with the wind. As i would if i was on his salary with his boss.
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 I have found a new job due to my boss leaving, so I have to say I agree with Trousers. Thats because the new guy has realised you're a dickwad. Give that man a bonus.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Posted 17 May, 2013 Thats because the new guy has realised you're a dickwad. Give that man a bonus. No new guy was in place when I handed my notice in in March.
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