Breaking news sky sports - Pochettino will leave if NC quits

[Mr X]

My guess is that this whole thing will end up ****ing the liebherrs off so much that they won't fall for corteses naive media games and will pull the plug on the whole investment if it isn't swiftly deal with! Worrying times for saints

[wild-saint]

Well i am a bit more sanguine about all of this.

 

Its all leaky stuff in the media. Known egos who want what they want. Rumours feed rumours, plus its all a bit of fun.

 

The club is more than one person, whoever it is (apart perhaps from MLT from time to time). If MP would leave if NC goes then fine, bye bye, if that is your whole motivation for the job. Equally if NC is off because of a power struggle, then fine, i am sure there are plenty of ggod replacements. maybe not as good, but if they are not egocentric then that is a plus that doesn't seem to have been considered. In which case, in the round, maybe we are better off?

 

What i would like is stability, and that means sane rational people running the place. It is NOT an impossible job: the fact that a fair number of basket cases are running football clubs just proves that. You need a chariman.board/senior management structure that can run things in a business-like way, a football manager/director/coaches etc who know their business, and a good squad of motivated players. The whole is bigger than every individual part.

 

So get on with the job. If NC is posturing then get a grip. If the trust are pulling out then get on with it. If MP is spitting the dummy then go and get NA back.

 

Or maybe they just like it the way it it. thats my experience anyway.

 

well i would have never guessed that your opinion would be to suggest we are doomed.

[Minsk]

They don't want to sell club. They want a new CEO.

 

There you go again, stating this as fact on yet another thread.

 

You have already admitted elsewhere it is just your supposition; unless you have found a link for us???????

[Made in Southampton]

Not sure if this has been posted yet. It's from the Saints web site.

 

Having arrived at St Mary's on 20th January, the Argentine has helped Saints secure their top-flight status with one game to spare.

 

It is still possible that Pochettino's side can finish as high as 10th in the Barclays Premier League with a positive result against Stoke City on Sunday.

 

And, in his press conference ahead of that game, the manager was asked to analyse his start to life in England as he approaches the close season.

 

"I don't really want to get ahead of myself and make a quick judgement right now," said Pochettino.

 

"We still have one game left, and that will be very important for me, the players and Nicola [Cortese, Executive Chairman]."

 

"However, on Sunday it will be four months that we've been here, and many things have happened during that time.

 

"We'll need to be a little bit detached to analyse those experiences. We've all improved a lot, we've learned a lot and we've had new experiences in these four months.

 

"I'm going to be working in Barcelona [over the summer] because my kids don't finish school until 20th June and I'll be travelling back and forth between Southampton, but I will also take a few days off because these four months have been the most intense I've had in football."

 

Despite being focused on securing a positive result on Sunday, Pochettino did also confirm that planning is already well underway for next season.

 

And the manager revealed he would like to have his squad for his first full campaign at Saints in place by the start of July.

 

"We are going to start looking at our goals for next season by having a meeting about them today," confirmed Mauricio. "Hopefully we'll have everything set up for next season ahead of 1st July.

 

"We want to know exactly which signings are going to be available to us. It may be difficult to do that by 1st July, but we're going to try our hardest.

 

"It doesn't really depend on us – there are always different parties involved, namely the player, the club that the player belongs to and us.

 

"We will try to speed us the decisions that need to be made because, if we can't get things sorted by 1st July, players are going to have trouble adapting.

 

"You see certain problems arise when signings take a long time to be decided, so on 1st July we'd like to have a full squad ready to go for pre-season."

 

Media speculation this week has suggested that chairman Cortese is considering his position at the club, and Pochettino was questioned about the reports.

 

The manager was vocal in his support for Cortese, admitting that he would be forced to consider his own position at St Mary's if the chairman were to depart.

 

"I don't really like to speak about myself," said Pochettino. "Our merits are down to the players and Nicola Cortese, who is the person who created all of this and made it possible.

 

"I would not continue if Nicola wasn't here. He has basically created this reality for Southampton over the past four years, and the people who are behind the scenes in this club were a little bit worried about what has been said.

 

"In a personal sense, I would not understand a Southampton without Nicola being here.

 

"When I first arrived here, nobody knew who Mauricio Pochettino was. Nicola put his faith in me, having known me from way back. When I got to know his project, we were on the same wavelength in terms of what we wanted for Southampton and the future of this club.

 

"My future has to be with Nicola. He's the person that has put his faith in me as manager of Southampton Football Club.

 

"I'm a very honest person, and I'm very grateful to him. I wouldn't understand how I could carry on if Nicola was not here.

 

"He's the person that called me and told me about the project. I have great support for Southampton as a club and for the supporters as well, but you have to understand that Nicola is the one who has placed his faith in me.

 

"I am a very transparent and honest person, and I'm completely on Nicola's wavelength in terms of his ideas about the future of the club. It really wouldn't make sense if I were at this club and he wasn't.

 

"We coincide in that we want to do the best for this club. We have a clear path in how we want to proceed for the future and how to place Southampton as high as possible. That's how we want to proceed.

 

"There is something that unites the two of us in that we have a passion for this club and the project. We are fully committed and united in that.

 

"We're going to have a few meetings this afternoon and throughout next week as well. We're all working as if everything will continue as normal, and for the future of this club.

 

"We want to have everything set up and tied down for 1st July, so we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."

 

Read more at http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-looks-to-the-summer-824911.aspx#53ZZ4BlyeiV2cizc.99

[Minsk]

"We want to have everything set up and tied down for 1st July, so we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."

 

I would just like to highlight the above statement, as most people seem to be ignoring it.

 

It can found at the end of MP's quote here: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-looks-to-the-summer-824911.aspx

[alpine_saint]

I would just like to highlight the above statement, as most people seem to be ignoring it.

 

It can found at the end of MP's quote here: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-looks-to-the-summer-824911.aspx

 

Nope, not ignoring it, just failing to see how that is possible in the current landscape of uncertainty.

[Prince Jazzbo]

I would just like to highlight the above statement, as most people seem to be ignoring it.

 

It can found at the end of MP's quote here: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-looks-to-the-summer-824911.aspx

 

It been stated several times, however, it doesnt make good for a good argument, so people will choose to ignore it. Also the MS statement, at no point does it say he would leave, or that any other player would leave, he said it would put everything into question for every player. That doesnt mean they'll leave it means that you would need to question the owners ambition, at least in my eyes that what he meant.

[Georgie]

Nope, not ignoring it, just failing to see how that is possible in the current landscape of uncertainty.

 

That's what their meetings will most likely be about today and next week. They will discuss what they want from next season and potential signings. They then go with this to the trust, who hopefully agree to the plans. Hence why it is reported NC will wait until the end of this month to make a decision about staying or not. Either way we won't know anything for another couple of weeks

[Minsk]

Nope, not ignoring it, just failing to see how that is possible in the current landscape of uncertainty.

 

You don't see how it is possible that they will keep working towards their goal as they believe (or at least, MP does) that they will still be here next season?

 

No, of course you wouldn't.

 

I am sure it will sit much more comfortably in your mind that: MP won't bother turning to train the players this week; that the team selection will be 'names out of a hat'; that no thought will be given to which players they will try to sign NEXT MONTH, despite MP saying they are having a meeting on that subject today; that NC will just go lay on the beach until his contract is sorted, or terminated; etc; etc.

 

Why look at anything positively, or even with an open mind, when a negative slant can be applied!!!!

[alpine_saint]

You don't see how it is possible that they will keep working towards their goal as they believe (or at least, MP does) that they will still be here next season?

 

No, of course you wouldn't.

 

I am sure it will sit much more comfortably in your mind that: MP won't bother turning to train the players this week; that the team selection will be 'names out of a hat'; that no thought will be given to which players they will try to sign NEXT MONTH, despite MP saying they are having a meeting on that subject today; that NC will just go lay on the beach until his contract is sorted, or terminated; etc; etc.

 

Why look at anything positively, or even with an open mind, when a negative slant can be applied!!!!

 

FFS, what a load of hysterical cobblers. Maybe the players we are interested in and their agents drag their feet until it is resolved ?

[Sevvy]

Schneiderlin said today. "It would put everything in question again for every single player." #SaintsFC @BenSmithBBC 2 hours agoSouthampton's Morgan Schneiderlin says every player would question their future were Cortese/Pochettino to leave

@BenSmithBBC 2 hours ago

[Glasgow_Saint]

How can you expect players to show loyalty when the media muppet manager Pinocchio has shown such disloyalty...... bloomin mess

[Prince Jazzbo]

He only said this

 

Schneiderlin said today. "It would put everything in question again for every single player."

 

He didnt say every player would question their future.

[Sevvy]

True, sorry mixed two tweets up,

[monosaint]

OK.. If it happens let's consider the possibilities.

 

* We get in a new CEO with different qualities but equally effective. NC has his faults.

* MP goes and we get Martinez to replace him.

 

That wouldn't be so bad. Let's look at positive outcomes as well as the negative ones.

[Minsk]

FFS, what a load of hysterical cobblers. Maybe the players we are interested in and their agents drag their feet until it is resolved ?

 

Firstly, I not the least bit hysterical - unlike he who stares back at you from the mirror.

 

Secondly, how is it cobblers? You stated how you were, 'failing to see how that is possible' in response to MP's quote of, '....we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."

Or, is it a case of your statement was cobblers as you were only responding to the first few of words of MP's quote; the bit about hoping to have everything in place by July 1st - which he then goes on to say they will both keep working towards??

 

Yes, maybe said players and agents will drag their feet until all is resolved. NC has said this will be at the end of this month. Therefore, everything in MP's statement is relevant leaving your comment to be the one reminiscent of a shoe-maker!!

[DuncanRG]

OK.. If it happens let's consider the possibilities.

 

* We get in a new CEO with different qualities but equally effective. NC has his faults.

* MP goes and we get Martinez to replace him.

 

That wouldn't be so bad. Let's look at positive outcomes as well as the negative ones.

 

And our better players sail off elsewhere!

 

This is worrying but if NC and MP both expect to be here next season then we've just got to believe them and hope for the best

[alpine_saint]

Deary me.

 

The July 1st date for the squad to be more-or-less fixed is nonsense, if the next season strategy and management line-up is still unclear going into June. I am absolutely convinced of NCs and MPs intent, but unfortunately it is not all under their control. They need the agreement of the Liebherrs.

[Glasgow_Saint]

anyone that doesnt want to be here can F off imho - nobody is bigger than the club.

 

all those worried about losing our 'world class' players need to remember that we only just survived relegation and these players are replaceable

[alpine_saint]

anyone that doesnt want to be here can F off imho - nobody is bigger than the club.

 

all those worried about losing our 'world class' players need to remember that we only just survived relegation and these players are replaceable

 

Which departures would worry you ?

 

Me :

 

Cork

Schneidelin

Boruc

Clyne

Shaw

J-Rod

Puncheon

 

on current form, I am somewhat "meh" about the rest..

[buctootim]

Which departures would worry you ?

 

Me :

 

Cork

Schneidelin

Boruc

Clyne

Shaw

J-Rod

Puncheon

 

on current form, I am somewhat "meh" about the rest..

 

 

Pretty much the same list for me. Everybody else is replaceable / can be improved upon.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Which departures would worry you ?

 

Me :

 

Cork

Schneidelin

Boruc

Clyne

Shaw

J-Rod

Puncheon

 

on current form, I am somewhat "meh" about the rest..

 

same list for me - 50/50 with Puncheon leaving

[Minsk]

Deary me.

 

The July 1st date for the squad to be more-or-less fixed is nonsense, if the next season strategy and management line-up is still unclear going into June. I am absolutely convinced of NCs and MPs intent, but unfortunately it is not all under their control. They need the agreement of the Liebherrs.

 

Is this you backtracking?????

 

But you said you couldn't see how - "We want to have everything set up and tied down for 1st July, so we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."- was possible.

 

P.S. How is your certainty that we are going to be relegated this year going?? I imagine you are very glad you didn't take up my charity offer now!

[stevy777_x]

OK.. If it happens let's consider the possibilities.

 

* We get in a new CEO with different qualities but equally effective. NC has his faults.

* MP goes and we get Martinez to replace him.

 

That wouldn't be so bad. Let's look at positive outcomes as well as the negative ones.

 

 

Well, it depends if the Liebherr continue to invest in the club. Let's be honest even with the TV revenue and premiership money, it is impossible to compete with the big boys.

Without that extra investment from the owners, the players who signed new contracts recently(Spider, Shaw's pre contract agreement...) would no doubt reconsider their future here.

[Minsk]

Pretty much the same list for me. Everybody else is replaceable / can be improved upon.

 

Do you think those 7 are the best in the world in their positions? If not, then they too are replaceable and can be improved upon!!

[buctootim]

Do you think those 7 are the best in the world in their positions? If not, then they too are replaceable and can be improved upon!!

 

Of course, everybody can be replaced, but if we lost those it would be far worse than losing de Ridder. Those players are a good spine to the team who know each other and play well together.

Edited 16 May, 2013 by buctootim

[alpine_saint]

Is this you backtracking?????

 

But you said you couldn't see how - "We want to have everything set up and tied down for 1st July, so we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."- was possible.

 

P.S. How is your certainty that we are going to be relegated this year going?? I imagine you are very glad you didn't take up my charity offer now!

 

How do you work that one out ?

 

Your posting is really odd today..

 

I cant see how its possible that they are working towards their targets ? What are you on ?

[UpweySaint]

Do you think those 7 are the best in the world in their positions? If not, then they too are replaceable and can be improved upon!!

 

Nobody is unreplacable but, I think should circumstances come that we had to accept offers for our better players, we would not be able to shell out sizable sums on their replacements.

[Minsk]

How do you work that one out ?

 

Your posting is really odd today..

 

I cant see how its possible that they are working towards their targets ? What are you on ?

 

Here you go:

 

"We want to have everything set up and tied down for 1st July, so we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."

 

I posted the below, highlighting the above.

 

I would just like to highlight the above statement, as most people seem to be ignoring it.

 

It can found at the end of MP's quote here: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-looks-to-the-summer-824911.aspx

 

You answered, replying to my post:

 

Nope, not ignoring it, just failing to see how that is possible in the current landscape of uncertainty.

[Glasgow_Saint]

do we need a poll to decided who cares if Pinocchio leaves? my guess is it wont be 90%+ favourable like NC

[alpine_saint]

Here you go:

 

 

 

I posted the below, highlighting the above.

 

 

 

You answered, replying to my post:

 

Yes, yes , its not possible they are working to their targets

[alpine_saint]

do we need a poll to decided who cares if Pinocchio leaves? my guess is it wont be 90%+ favourable like NC

 

NC is far more important than MP, imo.

[Minsk]

Yes, yes , its not possible they are working to their targets

 

I rest my case!!!!!

[Window Cleaner]

looked at the interview, Pochettino doesn't seem to actually say he'd leave. He says he couldn't see any reason to stay if NC has gone. Semantics but it doesn't necessarily mean the same thing.

[BlakeySFC]

People, watch the interview on Saints Player before you overreact at Sky Sports News' typically tabloid story, jeez.

Edited 16 May, 2013 by BlakeySFC

[Minty]

All pretty straightforward to me. Cortese needs to negotiate his contract and future plans for SFC with the Liebherr's. He has used the media a bit, just like players and agents do, to perhaps create a bit of pressure in the process. Pochettino and doubtless many of the players have been sold a vision of the future by Cortese, and so would understandably doubt and be anxious if the key person involved in creating that vision were to no longer be here.

 

Cortese will speak to the Liebherr's, chances are it'll all be resolved. If it's not, then all change... but it's football, no one should ever be surprised that something like this might happen.

[docker-p]

I would happily bet anyone a pound to a pinch of **** MP wouldn't leave if NC went. If he did he will be the first manager in recorded history to choose to leave because of a change of CEO. Remember if he resigns no pay off, just a P45 and the job centre with all the other unemployed managers.

In reality this is just NC trying to rachit up the presure on the Liebherrs.

[Cascadia Saint]

People, watch the interview on Saints Player before you overreact at Sky Sports News' typically tabloid story, jeez.

 

But that would mean that people couldn't overreact. A fatal flaw in your plea....

[Convict Colony]

I have to say I admire all 3 levels within the football club with regards to the issue as it is very rare principals and objectives override the bucket loads of cash that corrupt most ideals in football.

 

Cortese for wanting to continue his vision, he's not stupid he knows the trust wants a return on any outlay as any reasonable business should and isn't settling for mediocrity as a goal in the premier league.

 

MP for again not letting self interest cloud his principals, he was sold on the plan, the chairman and the project, if that changes then the plan and project changes and he walks.

 

The players as they were sold on the project, have in the majority signed up for the best years of the footballing life to be a part of this project, if that changes why shouldn't they exercise their options.

[stmusicdude]

Nope, not ignoring it, just failing to see how that is possible in the current landscape of uncertainty.

 

because we ( i mean many fans ) may have uncertainty but .. maybe those who are in the know . & in a better position to be sure?

[mulletsaint]

Lots of odd points on here as usual. Whatever's going on behind the scenes would seem to be rather more serious than some are willing to admit. I agree that this needs sorting out as soon as possible or it will effect signings for next season and whether we can keep hold of our better players.

 

People can moan all they want about what Pochettino has said today, but we have to remember that the reason he came was because of the promises NC made about our future. This also goes for the players that have recently signed new contracts. I'm not surprised that NC and MS have come out with what they have. They are here for the moment because NC's ambition matches their own. If NC is removed and his plans are scrapped or toned down then it'll peeve a lot of the coaching and playing staff, many will look to leave.

 

Some have claimed the Leibherrs are unhappy with how NC has dealt with certain things and how that has impacted on the club's image. If all of this is true they are now guilty of causing problems themselves.

Edited 16 May, 2013 by mulletsaint

[Badger]

My take is that NC has been informed of some organisational changes which the trust want to implement which he feels would undermine where he was planning on taking the club next season and beyond.

 

.

 

Not sure it is "where" he wants to take the club that is the issue, but perhaps the way of getting there, with just one person charting the waters, in whatever way he chooses

 

They don't want to sell club. They want a new CEO.

 

What's to say, they haven't got one lined up, or won't make a good selection of one ?

 

And if the ££ is still there to fuel the ambition, MP is likely to consider staying irrespective of the CEO.

[Saint_clark]

My guess is that this whole thing will end up ****ing the liebherrs off so much that they won't fall for corteses naive media games and will pull the plug on the whole investment if it isn't swiftly deal with! Worrying times for saints

 

In which case time for these other interested parties that Cortese was talking about to step up.

[Window Cleaner]

In which case time for these other interested parties that Cortese was talking about to step up.

 

don't expect 'The Liebherrs" whoever that might be, read the Sun myself and they certainly don't read this forum. We really have no clue who runs the trust or what it's aims are. As far as I can see there are few commercial entities left in the empire and Cortese seems to have a hand on the tiller of them all.. Everything else has been liquidated why not Saints. My take on it is that Saints can carry on as they are but with no more external funding or guarantee for investment.

Edited 16 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[Saint Fan CaM]

Who gives a monkeys and what a bunch of over-reactionary sad muppets some people are. Let it play out and see what happens eh? When has anything been straightforward or obvious when it comes to Saints and Cortese? We're all still here - the world's still turning and the sun's out. Some kid somewhere died today of cancer. Get a grip - there's more important stuff to worry about.

[Dig Dig]

Who gives a monkeys and what a bunch of over-reactionary sad muppets some people are. Let it play out and see what happens eh? When has anything been straightforward or obvious when it comes to Saints and Cortese? We're all still here - the world's still turning and the sun's out. Some kid somewhere died today of cancer. Get a grip - there's more important stuff to worry about.

 

Why are you on a football forum at all then pal?

[Saint_clark]

don't expect 'The Liebherrs" whoever that might be, read the Sun myself and they certainly don't read this forum. We really have no clue who runs the trust or what it's aims are. As far as I can see there are few commercial entities left in the empire and Cortese seems to have a hand on the tiller of them all.. Everything else has been liquidated why not Saints. My take on it is that Saints can carry on as they are but with no more external funding or guarantee for investment.

 

...Sorry, I don't understand how that's relevant to my post?

[View From The Top]

Who gives a monkeys and what a bunch of over-reactionary sad muppets some people are. Let it play out and see what happens eh? When has anything been straightforward or obvious when it comes to Saints and Cortese? We're all still here - the world's still turning and the sun's out. Some kid somewhere died today of cancer. Get a grip - there's more important stuff to worry about.

 

Gives Thrush and his ilk something to wa.nk over though.

[M271]

Who gives a monkeys and what a bunch of over-reactionary sad muppets some people are. Let it play out and see what happens eh? When has anything been straightforward or obvious when it comes to Saints and Cortese? We're all still here - the world's still turning and the sun's out. Some kid somewhere died today of cancer. Get a grip - there's more important stuff to worry about.

 

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." reported quote from Shankly.

 

I once hurried my wife out of A&E cos Saints were live on sky!! She's never let me forget this.

[itchen]

Is this you backtracking?????

 

But you said you couldn't see how - "We want to have everything set up and tied down for 1st July, so we're working as if everything is as it is. I have total confidence and faith that Nicola will be here next season, and that I will be here as well."- was possible.

 

P.S. How is your certainty that we are going to be relegated this year going?? I imagine you are very glad you didn't take up my charity offer now!

 

Look you've got to understand Alpine's position. He's having to come to terms with a manager whose aim is almost the same as the one he bangs on about every year. That is, we should get all our signings done early. Along comes a manager who says that he aims to have them done by July 1st where the other club and the player agree (yes I know Alpine would prefer June 1st). Now, Alpine and club in full agreement is very difficult for him to handle and so he is having, like Nicola, to consider his position. How can he be on the outside trolling away in Austria if the manager agrees with him? It's a major change.

 

Yes, this week's news has cast some uncertainty over that plan. I know no more than what I read in the papers. But rather than selectively quote MP ("I'll leave if NC leaves") why not also take into account his plans for meetings, early signings and that he fully expects both himself and NC to be here next season.?