paris Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Don't be surprised to see Nigel re installed to his rightful place and a new * better than NC chairman .....
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Address the point, FFS. Would you go to a club not knowing who is running it or coaching you in a few weeks time ? Like Forren did ? The fact that player contracts are usually 3-5 years and outstrip all but the most hardy managerial careers at this point makes this a non-factor. Now if you'd said "do you think people will sign not knowing if we'll have the funding to pay their contracts" that might be more relevant - though as that lot down the road have shown, players are stupid (or desperate) with stuff like this, and the PFA protects their earnings and they get them somehow anyway, so even that's not really a factor.
SuperSAINT Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Not going to be easy to attract players now, is it?
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Don't be surprised to see Nigel re installed to his rightful place and a new * better than NC chairman ..... I would be absolutely stunned, and to be honest I also give Adkins more credit than to jump ship on Reading.
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Not going to be easy to attract players now, is it? At worst this will last a few weeks, when's Cortese saying his decision's got to be made by ?
warsash saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Its all going a bit tits-up, isnt it ? If MP is now being dragged into what is developing into a very public spat between NC and the Liebherrs, both sides must be fairly deeply entrenched. This is going to take ages and seriously f**k up next season. Serious risk of relegation next season. Alpine sets new record by predicting relegation by 2nd week of May ..... 12 months in advance
BARCELONASAINT Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 whatever the truth is out there ......for one thing it is very unsettling for the fans and the players. Sure this may be all a big game being played out to manouverve the owners into making the correct decision that most fans want to see.....stability!....and that means NC staying......but if there really is a chance that NC is walking away then i honestly think its a complete disaster and all the good work done since his arrival will have been for nothing!
brmbrm Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I don't doubt Cortese would be in demand, he's got a bit of a higher profile than most Swiss bankers at the moment though. Don't you think this might all have a significant effect on our ability to retain said players though ? Yes, I think stability, continuity and a long-term vision/plan will influence players coming to the club. But we will only get that stability if NC (and not just him, the trust etc etc) are committed. If he is not committed, then it is potentially destabilising, hence the situation needs to be resolved, and much of that is down to NCs decision. Wrong analogy maybe, but the ManUre chairman doesn't pack this sort of sad. (Is he Swiss? Dammit, I thought he was Italian!)
paris Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Nice to see Pochettino expressing his loyalty to the club in such an unequivocal fashion.
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Cant have it both ways. His relationship with NC landed him, who would you expect him to be loyal to ?
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Guh, it's just occurred to me why Cortese might have chosen to leak it now. Knowing he had Pochettino's support, they've allowed a week to build the panic, so Cortese and Pochettino get tangible backing from a worried crowd at the final home game of the season, thus strengthening his negotiating position further. I wish he'd spend as much time planning the ticketing and kit launches.
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Guh, it's just occurred to me why Cortese might have chosen to leak it now. Knowing he had Pochettino's support, they've allowed a week to build the panic, so Cortese and Pochettino get tangible backing from a worried crowd at the final home game of the season, thus strengthening his negotiating position further. I dont think it will work... I dont think the Liebherr family will be swayed like this.
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Yes, I think stability, continuity and a long-term vision/plan will influence players coming to the club. But we will only get that stability if NC (and not just him, the trust etc etc) are committed. If he is not committed, then it is potentially destabilising, hence the situation needs to be resolved, and much of that is down to NCs decision. Wrong analogy maybe, but the ManUre chairman doesn't pack this sort of sad. (Is he Swiss? Dammit, I thought he was Italian!) He's Swiss-Italian, but his banking to my knowledge was done in Switzerland, not that I am massively interested or certain of that, or even bothered enough to Google. Besides, Swiss Banker is a much more familiar term. The Man U Chairman also knows there are thousands of people out there who'd want his job in a heartbeat, it's a tad more global and a little more glam than Saints... for now.
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I dont think it will work... I dont think the Liebherr family will be swayed like this. I find myself agreeing with you. As I said earlier, not great when the club's a pawn in business politics.
studentsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 What a tw*t. I personally don't want a manager that only wants to perform for the chairman. This shows me he has no allegiance to the club. I certainly know the answer NA would have given tothat question. When managers move on, the players don't disappear. The club is bigger than any one man, that includes the chairman and manager.
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 What a tw*t. I personally don't want a manager that only wants to perform for the chairman. This shows me he has no allegiance to the club. I certainly know the answer NA would have given tothat question. When managers move on, the players don't disappear. The club is bigger than any one man, that includes the chairman and manager. He has an allegiance to the clubs vision under Cortese. If he only joined the club because of Cortese's plans then only natural he would want to work on them with Cortese. Also, remember the context of this...games are being played and people need to be saying the right things. Look out for some of Morgan's quotes later...
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 What a tw*t. I personally don't want a manager that only wants to perform for the chairman. This shows me he has no allegiance to the club. I certainly know the answer NA would have given tothat question. When managers move on, the players don't disappear. The club is bigger than any one man, that includes the chairman and manager. How precious are you. Top level football is about money and success. Players and managers both.
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 The propaganda machine is in full flow. Between now and the post match interviews, watch how the fans, manager and PLAYERS. All say how brilliant NC is and has been It's clear that most at the club are fully behind NC
Golden Balls Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I thought Saints was NC's baby? I hope he wouldn't just walk away from his kids when he didn't get his own way.
Saint J 77 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Whenever something good happens for Saints, there is always some bad or unsettling news that follows shortly afterwards. Its a pattern that has happened a lot in recent years. It may well be true the club is just about to implode and undo all the good work thats happened in the last few years but to be honest I just don't think it is worth worrying about it right now. This is going to drag on for some time I reckon. Its obviously going to effect us badly next season through lack of preparation and signings etc. I think we should expect the worse and get on with our lives. Lets not waste time worrying about it. Then things can surely only end up being better than we could hope for.
trousers Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook Unusual for a manager to speak so openly on matters such as this. MP says he feels a loyalty to NC for giving him the job as #saintsfc boss Trousers @Lord_Trousers Alex - do you or any other journalists have direct contacts with the Liebherrs? Are you actively seeking a response from them? Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook it is proving very difficult to track them down
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I fully respect Pochettino's position, it would feel like the rug has been pulled under your feet somewhat, typical us, even the billionaire company that owns us shows a lack of ambition.
saint si Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Presume all this will also put stadium expansion on hold?
melmacian_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 For me this just confirms the idea some of us have that NC will be the new owner of SFC in the near future.
SaintBobby Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Is there any suggestion/possibility that Cortese has other possible backers in reserve? E.g. some other rich family or a consortium steps in to buy the club off the Liebherr Trust. I'd imagine NC is well connected to a lot of very wealthy people.
Viking Warrior Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 we will know the answer to all this in the next 15 days
BotleySaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 All Pochettino is saying is that he feels he has Nicola's support and was made assurances by him. If he leaves he'll be left with none of those assurances. The only thing I'm not sure about is why he has to tell the media. Unless he's naive or Cortese put him up to it to apply some leverage to his side of the 'argument' he is having with the Trust.
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Is there any suggestion/possibility that Cortese has other possible backers in reserve? E.g. some other rich family or a consortium steps in to buy the club off the Liebherr Trust. I'd imagine NC is well connected to a lot of very wealthy people. But I believe that convincing the estate to use those backers is what may be proving troublesome. I've got a feeling they want to do it their own way, and NC wants to do it his way. Not on the same page at the moment. Classic brinkmanship and it's going to be concluded at some point.
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 For me this just confirms the idea some of us have that NC will be the new owner of SFC in the near future. Agree.
trousers Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 http://soundcloud.com/wave-105-news/mauricio-pochettino
Olallana Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I think I´m mostly impressed that fans on here would know more about how the Liebherr´s will react than what Cortese does after working for them for I-dont-know-how-many-years.....
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook Unusual for a manager to speak so openly on matters such as this. MP says he feels a loyalty to NC for giving him the job as #saintsfc boss Trousers @Lord_Trousers Alex - do you or any other journalists have direct contacts with the Liebherrs? Are you actively seeking a response from them? Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook it is proving very difficult to track them down They should just ask buctootim, emailed them to say how disgusted he was with Adkins sacking and got a reply from them straight away telling him that they agree. Also, Hypo's ex player contact walks right up to a Liebherr at a function and asks them if they like Cortese and they tell him they don't. Not sure why these Journos are having a hard time tracking them down, they seem like open and honest people according to people on here.
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Worth pointing out that Pochettino also said he was in a planning meeting today with NC on transfer targets and goals for next year and that he fully expects that he and NC will be here next year....
Made in Southampton Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Posted 16 May, 2013 They should just ask buctootim, emailed them to say how disgusted he was with Adkins sacking and got a reply from them straight away telling him that they agree. Also, Hypo's ex player contact walks right up to a Liebherr at a function and asks them if they like Cortese and they tell him they don't. Not sure why these Journos are having a hard time tracking them down, they seem like open and honest people according to people on here. Yeh you can email them right here - Liebherr@hotmail.com Pfft.
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Presume all this will also put stadium expansion on hold? No, thats still going ahead with the shopping centre and the ice rink, Southampton will still be the retail envy of the Western World..................
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 They should just ask buctootim, emailed them to say how disgusted he was with Adkins sacking and got a reply from them straight away telling him that they agree. Also, Hypo's ex player contact walks right up to a Liebherr at a function and asks them if they like Cortese and they tell him they don't. Not sure why these Journos are having a hard time tracking them down, they seem like open and honest people according to people on here. Openess and honesty has nothing to do with it. They are intensely private people. They dont want any journalists interrogating them. At lot of German-Swiss industrial families are like this; look at the Quandt family who own BMW.
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Worth pointing out that Pochettino also said he was in a planning meeting today with NC on transfer targets and goals for next year and that he fully expects that he and NC will be here next year.... So that statement means nothing then?
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Guh, it's just occurred to me why Cortese might have chosen to leak it now. Knowing he had Pochettino's support, they've allowed a week to build the panic, so Cortese and Pochettino get tangible backing from a worried crowd at the final home game of the season, thus strengthening his negotiating position further. I wish he'd spend as much time planning the ticketing and kit launches. This. In a season where he sacked Adkins what a cunning plan to swing all the fanbase behind him for the final feelgood home match. Cunning plan Baldrick.
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Openess and honesty has nothing to do with it. They are intensely private people. They dont want any journalists interrogating them. At lot of German-Swiss industrial families are like this; look at the Quandt family who own BMW. Just saying that if a journo wants to hear from them, it can't be too hard as the Liebherrs are seemingly willing to reply to anyone who asks and have told people in the past that they don't like NC.
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Sabre rattling stand off IMO. Cortese usually gets what he wants.
richardc Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 The reason that I can see that MP has come out and said he would leave that is NC has spoken to him about the alternative vision that the Leibherrs might have - This could be significant differences in the level of investment that is either side see as required or possibly the degree of negotiation that is required to release the funds. Basically NC has had it his own way up until now and he is not happy that the Leibherrs dont want him to have total control over the amount of money that we are now talking about
studentsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 How precious are you. Top level football is about money and success. Players and managers both. After a week where united and Everton let long term managers leave and then we saw mancini sacked, there are clearly 2 types of club and I know which type I would like saints to be.
Made in Southampton Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Posted 16 May, 2013 So that statement means nothing then? Not really when he said it in the same press conference.
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Openess and honesty has nothing to do with it. They are intensely private people. They dont want any journalists interrogating them. At lot of German-Swiss industrial families are like this; look at the Quandt family who own BMW. I can back this up as I know the fella that drives them around in this country and when they visit st Mary's they demand absolute anonymity.
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 I can back this up as I know the fella that drives them around in this country and when they visit st Mary's they demand absolute anonymity. So the chances of them telling ex-saints players their thoughts on Cortese and emailing random fans back are.......
trousers Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 http://www.player.saintsfc.co.uk/latest-news/article/3180883/date/20130516115000/page/0/name/Schneiderlin's-Pre-Stoke-Press-Conference Morgan: "Of course I would be upset to see the chairman and the manager go. That's why I and other players signed new contracts. But I'm sure it won't happen"
Gingeletiss Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 So the chances of them telling ex-saints players their thoughts on Cortese and emailing random fans back are....... No no no, Hypo insists he is bosom buddy's with them!
Saint86 Posted 16 May, 2013 Posted 16 May, 2013 Address the point, FFS. Would you go to a club not knowing who is running it or coaching you in a few weeks time ? Worked pompey, chelsea and man city in fairness.
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