Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) Interesting allround: MP will leave if NC goes. They have a meeting today planning for next season and hope to get all signings done by July 1st so nobody needs time to adjust. Rickie has had a back injury for the last month - proof he always struggles when he has a niggle and we need some backup to be able to rest him. Good for Shaw and Clyne re England but they won't get much of a break. MP not had a day off since being here and is enjoying it - will talk more in next presser about his time here so far. Few niggles this week so maybe a chance for some U21s to feature at some point on Sunday. Aside from the NC speculation its pretty positive, bit more pressure applied now from MP to the Liebherr's. Edited 16 May, 2013 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Where did MP say he will leave if NC does????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook 15m Mauricio Pochettino has told us this morning he will quit #saintsfc if Nicola Cortese retires as chairman Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook 14m Pochettino said: "I would not continue if Nicola Cortese was not here. It would not make any sense if I was at this club and he wasn’t." Comes across as more posturing to me. Sounds like Cortese is putting forward a business proposal for the next couple of months in order to prove his worth and has used MP as his mouthpiece. Even so it's a solid plan in many respects, especially if you're the sort that gets het up about completing transfer business in the final month of the window. Fingers crossed there'll be the opportunity to implement it with our current personnel. I'm also quite relieved about the news regarding Lambert. If he's been struggling with an injury that's a little more comforting than performances simply tailing off. Doesn't say a lot for our alternate striking options mind. Edited 16 May, 2013 by ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Anyone else think there is a crisis at Saints just around the corner? I just feel it in my water. NC has to stay, as we are heading in the right direction under him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 The problem is, if there's lots of uncertainty hanging over the club, good players won't be interested in signing for us. This needs sorting very quickly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 The problem is, if there's lots of uncertainty hanging over the club, good players won't be interested in signing for us. This needs sorting very quickly! Agreed. Tbh, I can see next Monday being the day they sort it all out. No more league games to play just down to work planning transfers and putting all this to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Gives the drama queens an excuse to leave their mattress protectors on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Agreed. Tbh, I can see next Monday being the day they sort it all out. No more league games to play just down to work planning transfers and putting all this to bed. There is certainly a conflict between MP saying he will leave if NC does, and NC being apparantly likely to leave. Compared with: We are having a planning meeting for next season today and want to get our transfer business done early. Of course they have to be professional - but if there was a real, real liklihood of neither being there next year you would imagine they would want to confirm that either way, and that the Liebherr's would not want two outgoing employees to suddenly go and spend a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 There is certainly a conflict between MP saying he will leave if NC does, and NC being apparantly likely to leave. Compared with: We are having a planning meeting for next season today and want to get our transfer business done early. Of course they have to be professional - but if there was a real, real liklihood of neither being there next year you would imagine they would want to confirm that either way, and that the Liebherr's would not want two outgoing employees to suddenly go and spend a lot of money. I'll admit that there is definitely a conflict between NC and the Liebherr's but from the point of view of the Liebherr trust, they want a chairman who will improve the club and, let's be honest, keep it in the premier league so they can return on it. I just cannot see the logic in replacing the chairman and manager (since he'll leave as well) if they are doing exactly what the Liebherr family want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Gives the drama queens an excuse to leave their mattress protectors on. Is this a reference to Cortese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) I'll admit that there is definitely a conflict between NC and the Liebherr's but from the point of view of the Liebherr trust, they want a chairman who will improve the club and, let's be honest, keep it in the premier league so they can return on it. I just cannot see the logic in replacing the chairman and manager (since he'll leave as well) if they are doing exactly what the Liebherr family want. the sticky point is just how much they're willing to pay (or underwrite) for it. for me it's pretty clear; no-one wants NC to leave but he what he wants is what he wants and he's not willing to make too many concessions on his modus operandii. He wants to buy some players that he thinks will improve our chances of achieving his aims (which no doubt he believes is what his late friend wanted) but we don't have the reddies to do that so he wants it underwritten by the Trust who don't seem to be on the same wavelength. Edited 16 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 The problem is, if there's lots of uncertainty hanging over the club, good players won't be interested in signing for us. This needs sorting very quickly! This. How anyone thinks decent players will sign for us when they dont even know who will be managing the team, come pre-season start, is beyound me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 This. How anyone thinks decent players will sign for us when they dont even know who will be managing the team, come pre-season start, is beyound me. My natural reaction to all of this is that it will be sorted out in NC's favour however, if it isn't, transition could be a messy, especially if the estate aren't all that bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) This. How anyone thinks decent players will sign for us when they dont even know who will be managing the team, come pre-season start, is beyound me. Do you think it's possible, even remotely possible, that this issue might be resolved before pre-season? You know, maybe in the next few days, or something? Gees. What a cretin. Why not start another thread "We're going down and won't be signing any new players". That should ensure several international superstars arrive at St Mary's within about 120 seconds. Edited 16 May, 2013 by SaintBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Also interesting in the context of the MP BBC interview a few weeks back which suggested that two deals for players had 'already' been done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Also interesting in the context of the MP BBC interview a few weeks back which suggested that two deals for players had 'already' been done I think we're all in danger of possibly reading a little too much between the lines here. The context of statements will still be lost in translation, so let's not get hung up on the specifics of the statements. For e.g, I don't believe he said we want all our players signed by July 1st. The plan will be to identify and evaluate the targets they want, so that come July 1st - the opening of the window - we can move pretty quickly to signing them. That doesn't mean they'll be done the next day, or the next week, as we know with transfers they can drag on, and on and on. I think we aim to have our targets finalised, but having them all done by July the 1st is pie in the sky stuff. It's giving more ammunition to the likes of Alpine when it doesn't happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I think we're all in danger of possibly reading a little too much between the lines here. The context of statements will still be lost in translation, so let's not get hung up on the specifics of the statements. For e.g, I don't believe he said we want all our players signed by July 1st. The plan will be to identify and evaluate the targets they want, so that come July 1st - the opening of the window - we can move pretty quickly to signing them. That doesn't mean they'll be done the next day, or the next week, as we know with transfers they can drag on, and on and on. I think we aim to have our targets finalised, but having them all done by July the 1st is pie in the sky stuff. It's giving more ammunition to the likes of Alpine when it doesn't happen! Don't think the transfer window opens on the 1st of July? Agree though that everyone is reading too much into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Don't think the transfer window opens on the 1st of July? Agree though that everyone is reading too much into this. You can kind of make transfers before then, but it's officially the 1st' Although, in England, the transfer window formally opens on 1 July, transfers between clubs in the same association can take place as soon as the last competitive fixtures for the season have been played. However, many transfers will not be completed until 1 July That's why I think the July 1st thing was a reference to that, rather than having specific signings done by that date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 the sticky point is just how much they're willing to pay (or underwrite) for it. for me it's pretty clear; no-one wants NC to leave but he what he wants is what he wants and he's not willing to make too many concessions on his modus operandii. He wants to buy some players that he thinks will improve our chances of achieving his aims (which no doubt he believes is what his late friend wanted) but we don't have the reddies to do that so he wants it underwritten by the Trust who don't seem to be on the same wavelength. I think it's agreed that no-one (well the vast majority of people) don't want NC to leave. I don't know whether it's a money thing or whether the trust dislike the fact NC has so much power atm. The original 5-year plan was to get us established in the PL. It's hard to tell where the club wants to go next. Imo, the trust is happy where we are since we are getting all the PL money but NC wants to push to Europe. Just my opinion mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Rickie has had a back injury for the last month - proof he always struggles when he has a niggle and we need some backup to be able to rest him. No great surprise. Probably down to all the defenders who climb all over Rickie's back and never get penalised by the crap PL referees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 This. How anyone thinks decent players will sign for us when they dont even know who will be managing the team, come pre-season start, is beyound me. I agree with you alpine. Finishing in the PL definitely would have helped us attract more players and to have more money but if it's uncertain who they will be playing for, why risk it? Just because the current manager wants them to play doesn't necessarily mean the next one will (if MP does leave) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I think Cortese will announce on Sunday that he's staying. Everyone will love him and there will be the momentum to push us on united into the next season. Yaaaaaaay!!!!. What alot of drama. More like bloody Hollywood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I agree with you alpine. Finishing in the PL definitely would have helped us attract more players and to have more money but if it's uncertain who they will be playing for, why risk it? Just because the current manager wants them to play doesn't necessarily mean the next one will (if MP does leave) Perhaps the targets have been assured nothing will change? MP also said today he fully expects himself and NC to be at the club next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2013 You can kind of make transfers before then, but it's officially the 1st' Although, in England, the transfer window formally opens on 1 July, transfers between clubs in the same association can take place as soon as the last competitive fixtures for the season have been played. However, many transfers will not be completed until 1 July That's why I think the July 1st thing was a reference to that, rather than having specific signings done by that date. On the OS quotes from MP suggest they want the squad for next season in place by July 1st ideally i.e players signed to join then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Perhaps the targets have been assured nothing will change? MP also said today he fully expects himself and NC to be at the club next year. True but there must be a little bit of doubt? Even if everything at the club is fine, media speculation can damage the image of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 True but there must be a little bit of doubt? Even if everything at the club is fine, media speculation can damage the image of the club. Cortese hasn't ever seemed bothered by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Cortese hasn't ever seemed bothered by that. You would be in your element if he left wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Cortese hasn't ever seemed bothered by that. That's my only concern with NC as chairman. He isn't bothered what other people think. Maybe he's taken it too far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 the sticky point is just how much they're willing to pay (or underwrite) for it. for me it's pretty clear; no-one wants NC to leave but he what he wants is what he wants and he's not willing to make too many concessions on his modus operandii. He wants to buy some players that he thinks will improve our chances of achieving his aims (which no doubt he believes is what his late friend wanted) but we don't have the reddies to do that so he wants it underwritten by the Trust who don't seem to be on the same wavelength. If they are prepared to lose money, other than United what club makes millions? United are £350 million in debt I shall add(Glaziers debt loading but still), boards/clubs only function due to tv money or they are given vast amounts thats written off as the board.club simply want success at any cost. The Leibherr's are far too conservative for that approach and have too much class to demand success like our Russian and Arab friends, they will make a profit and walk away with no fuss and little care. We will have to pick up the pieces and be found to be in the dilema of actually paying our way again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 That's my only concern with NC as chairman. He isn't bothered what other people think. Maybe he's taken it too far? He probably should be bothered about what the Liebherrs think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 He probably should be bothered about what the Liebherrs think. Doesn't seem too bothered or there wouldn't be this argument would there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Also interesting in the context of the MP BBC interview a few weeks back which suggested that two deals for players had 'already' been done If you re read the article the part about the two deals is not a direct quote from MP, its made to look like it but the way I read it was that was the view of the interviewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 This. How anyone thinks decent players will sign for us when they dont even know who will be managing the team, come pre-season start, is beyound me. I take it Chelsea are running into similar difficulties then and won't be signing anyone decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 This. How anyone thinks decent players will sign for us when they dont even know who will be managing the team, come pre-season start, is beyound me. Players still sign for Chelsea in every window! EDIT: Beaten to the punch. All of today's stuff is very positive bar the backroom drama. It is strange that it's so public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If Cortese stays would an announcement even be made from the club?? Or would we just guess he is staying when we start to get new players in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If Cortese stays would an announcement even be made from the club?? Or would we just guess he is staying when we start to get new players in I would think the club would trumpet the announcement of any new CEO from the website irrespective of who it was. If it was Cortese, we'd probably get a repeat of the Leeds Championship programme cover as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Sounding more and more that Pochettino is the issue of contention between Cortesé and the Liebherrs. Probably the Liebherrs would prefer a Swiss born manager such as Christian Gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Sounding more and more that Pochettino is the issue of contention between Cortesé and the Liebherrs. Probably the Liebherrs would prefer a Swiss born manager such as Christian Gross. Not sure if you're being serious, just incase you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 i've enjoyed the forum today, so many people is saying so many dumb things that no-one can tell what is serious and what is joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Gives the drama queens an excuse to leave their mattress protectors on. Presumably you ran this by MLG for correct context and grammar? Him being somewhat of a fan of early close season signings and all. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 There is certainly a conflict between MP saying he will leave if NC does, and NC being apparantly likely to leave. Compared with: We are having a planning meeting for next season today and want to get our transfer business done early. Of course they have to be professional - but if there was a real, real liklihood of neither being there next year you would imagine they would want to confirm that either way, and that the Liebherr's would not want two outgoing employees to suddenly go and spend a lot of money. I think that is the crux of the matter The Leibherrs are NOT Football people, and have no concept of keeping a "Top" team at the Top, or even aiming for it. IMHO, Cortese has detailed what monies are now necessary for Saints to moveto the "next" level, and the Leibherrs are now realising that, in football, spending money is a bottomless pit. If Cortese and Pochettino go, that WILL cripple us, and put us in reverse Big Time. Whether the Leibherrs could still sell Saints for the money we were actually worth a few weeks ago is now very very debateable IMHO Hard to sell a house when you know the foundations are beginning to crumble I don't think Markus would have wanted this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 If Cortese, Poch, and perhaps even the liebherrs go, it's wrong to assume the club would instantly go into decline. We would still be a debt free Premier League club with a modern, average sized stadium, first class training facilities and a large supporter base etc. There's no reason why the club shouldn't be a stable top flight club based on those credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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