Saint-Armstrong Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 A study which has been completed by Campaign for Better Transport has found that Southampton were fifth in the Premier League in a study of how fans are served by public transport when it comes to getting to different grounds. The study, which featured more than 1,000 fans, looked at how well the grounds were served by public transport links as well as a number of other factors. The ratings are averaged, and are out of 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 If we are 5th some of the others must be terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 how one earth can Liverpool get a higher mark than Everton Goodison is much easier to get too and from and has a railway station within walking distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 and why is QPR so low down when it has london underground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 It isn''t exactly a comprehensive survey. 1,000 people divided over 20 clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Old Trafford is easy to get to using public transport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Liverpool 7th, Everton 16th? They are just across Stanley Park from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/football http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/files/admin/Door_to_Turnstile_CfBT_FINAL_web.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Don't understand why Fulham is so much higher than QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 I agree with Reading though. Awful to get in and out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 (edited) Don't understand why Fulham is so much higher than QPR. Appendix C of the study (here: http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/files/admin/Door_to_Turnstile_CfBT_FINAL_web.pdf) describes the assessment criteria thus: Each club’s website and travel plan, and the location and access to public transport for the stadium, were assessed for this project in April 2013, and our comments and scores for each club are given below. Website travel information and the overall location and transport accessibility of the stadium were each scored from 0 (terrible) to 5 (excellent) via a review of the club website and a web and map search for public transport infrastructure and service levels. Travel planning and related measures were scored from 0 (nonexistent) to 8 (comprehensive). NB: even if we could not find or obtain a written travel plan for the club, we gave points for each aspect of a good travel plan that we could see being employed (e.g. park and ride buses or public transport ticket offers) Fulham and QPR are assessed thus: Fulham Website: 2 Location and access: 3 Travel planning: 6 The stadium is reasonably walkable from public transport but not for those with difficulties. A new travel plan was produced in 2012 as part of planning for a stand extension. This has some good measures and targets but focuses on walking and cycling with no plans for extending public transport provision. Queens Park Rangers Website: 1 Location and access: 3 Travel planning: 0 It is unusual to see a London club website’s ‘directions’ page so focused on car travel. No travel plans have yet been produced, though the club has the smallest stadium in the Premier League is looking for a new venue. Edited 14 May, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 how one earth can Liverpool get a higher mark than Everton Goodison is much easier to get too and from and has a railway station within walking distance Or Spurs be so much higher than QPR? It's a load of s***te isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 how one earth can Liverpool get a higher mark than Everton Goodison is much easier to get too and from and has a railway station within walking distance Everton Website: 1 Location and access: 2 Travel planning: 4 Liverpool City Council confirms no travel plan exists for Goodison Park, but the club does run a Soccerbus service with Merseytravel. The club had planning permission for a new out-of-town stadium rejected in 2009. Liverpool Website: 3 Location and access: 2 Travel planning: 3 A proposed redevelopment of Anfield means the club is now working on a travel plan with Liverpool City Council. Current measures include dedicated Soccerbus services, run with Merseytravel. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 (edited) The travel league table was calculated by scoring each Premier League club on 11 variables covering six elements of matchday travel. A maximum of 96 points was available. 1. Cost (max. 24 points) Average cost of travel to home matches (9 points available). Obtained from responses to the survey question “What is the cost of transport for your usual method of travelling to home matches?”. Average cost per game for each club ranged from £8 to £29; these were standardised to give scores from 9 (lowest expenditure on travel) to 3 (highest). Cost of unlimited 1-day bus travel between city centre and ground (15 points available). This variable was chosen as a proxy that captured local transport costs in a consistent way, applicable to all clubs. Unlimited one-day local travel prices were obtained from websites of the relevant local transport provider and varied between £3.60 and £6; these were standardised to give scores from 13 (lowest price) to 5 (highest). 2. Urban access (max. 12 points) Distance from ground to nearest railway station (12 points available). Chosen as a measure of how close the ground is situated to local amenities. Proximity to railway station was also strongly associated with proximity to closest major shopping area but the former is more precisely defined. Note that the nearest railway station was used: for consistency tram, bus and tube stops are not used since these are not available for all 20 clubs. (Public transport provision is covered in element 4, below.) Distances were calculated using the shortest walking route given by Google Maps, and ranged from 0.3 miles to 3.0 miles. These were standardised to give scores from 11 shortest distance) to 5 (longest). 3. Walking and cycling (max. 9 points) Proportion of fans that walk or cycle any part of their journey to home games (9 points available). Obtained from responses to the survey question, “What is your usual method of transport to home matches? (Please choose your most common method of transport. Choose more than one option if your journey uses different methods for different stages)”. The proportion of fans who selected either “Walk” or “Cycle” varied from 43% to 7%; these were standardised to give scores from 8 (highest rate of walking or cycling) to 1(lowest). 4. Public transport (max. 24 points) Uptake of public transport among fans travelling to home games (12 points available). Obtained from responses to the home travel survey question used in element 3. The proportion of fans who selected at least one of “Bus” , “Coach”, “Train”, or “Tram/tube” varied from 86% to 27%. These percentages were standardised to give scores from 10 (highest proportion using public transport) to 3 (lowest). Public transport access to the ground: location, accessibility and quality of service (12 points available). Assessment by Campaign for Better Transport’s team of the availability and quality of scheduled public transport services near the football ground. This yielded scores from 12 (best local public transport provision) to 2 (weakest). 5. Car use (max. 12 points) Proportion of car users that travel in a shared car (9 points available). Measured by calculating the proportion of fans who responded “Drive (sharing with others)”, as a proportion of those that selected at least one of “Drive (alone)” or “Drive (sharing with others)” in response to the home travel survey question used in elements 3 and 4. The proportion varied from 100% to 0%. These percentages were standardised to give scores from 9 (highest proportion sharing cars) to 0 (lowest). Park and ride availability (3 points available). Points awarded if a dedicated park-and-ride service is operated to the ground, assessed according to information available from club and/or local transport operators. If park-and-ride service was available to all fans, 3 points were awarded; park-and-ride available to away fans only scored 1 point. Otherwise 0 points were scored. 6. Role of the club (max. 15 points) Proportion of supporters who get travel information from the club (3 points available). Percentage who responded to the survey question, “Where do you get travel information when travelling to HOME matches? (Please choose more than one, if relevant)” by selected at least one of “Home club website” and “Match programmes”. This proportion varied from 39% to 0% and was standardised to give scores from 2 points (highest proportion that use club as a travel information source) to 0 (lowest). Travel plan for the ground: existence and quality of travel plan (9 points available). Assessment by Campaign for Better Transport’s campaign team of any travel plan developed by the club for matchday travel to and from the stadium. Two points were awarded for the existence of a plan and then one each for the presence of types of initiatives that that should be in a good travel plan, with two bonus points awarded for any free or low cost public transport ticketing initiatives that were in place. Travel information provided on club website: detail, accuracy quality and focus of information (3 points available, standardised from an original score from 0 to 5). Campaign for Better Transport’s team looked at the travel and transport information provided on the club official website and gave a score based on factors including ease of finding sustainable travel information such as walking directions and public transport advice, and the balance between car-travel and alternatives. Survey sample The survey results presented in this report were obtained from an online survey, conducted between 26th December 2012 and 29th April 2013. The survey sampled the views of 1,081 people who had attended at least one football match during the 2012/13 season. Among these there were 604 responses from supporters of Premier League clubs (55.9% of the total sample). The total sample of 1,099 people also included 18 respondents who do not attend football matches but who completed the survey with reference to football-related travel in their local area. More details of the assessments made by Campaign for Better Transport are given in Appendix C. ... Edited 14 May, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 how one earth can Liverpool get a higher mark than Everton Goodison is much easier to get too and from and has a railway station within walking distance Maybe they think it will be better next year?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Old Trafford is one I can think of that you can get to by canal boat. There is actually a dining boat service on match days. West Brom like most of Birmingham is served by them, Coventry is accessible via canal, so is Brentford, but not actually PL clubs so dont count. Thinking of retiring to the canals soon so anyone know anymore Pl clubs with canals nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Old Trafford is easy to get to using public transport No problems getting there - it's getting out (especially after a mid week game). The queue to get on The Metro heading either direction were miles long and took over an hour to get to the front, even then spaces were limited due people walking to next station along either direction to avoid the massive queues at OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Old Trafford is one I can think of that you can get to by canal boat. There is actually a dining boat service on match days. West Brom like most of Birmingham is served by them, Coventry is accessible via canal, so is Brentford, but not actually PL clubs so dont count. Thinking of retiring to the canals soon so anyone know anymore Pl clubs with canals nearby. Do you have a distance limit on how far away the nearest canal has to be? Do you accept Far Canals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Sunderland was decent, free park and ride for 2 hours before and after kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 So we are almost champions league level at something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 So we are almost champions league level at something. They should have something equivalent to the Fair Play League relating to public transport which results in European qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 The Newcastle " win " sounds fair, and the three London clubs are all served well by local transport..........but be glad we're getting rid of Reading and QPR ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 They should have something equivalent to the Fair Play League relating to public transport which results in European qualification. What they should do is taken the average position of all the league tables they have and award a champions league place on that. So far weve had The transport league the fair play league What the league would look like if only English players had scored what the league would look like if only goals scored in the first 20 minutes counted what the league would look like if only players with the letter L in their name had scored What the league would look like if only players born within 30 miles of the club they play for had played more than 10 games in the season what the league would look like if only players that wore prime numbers had scored I reakon we'd have a decent chance of topping that table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 What they should do is taken the average position of all the league tables they have and award a champions league place on that. So far weve had The transport league the fair play league What the league would look like if only English players had scored what the league would look like if only goals scored in the first 20 minutes counted what the league would look like if only players with the letter L in their name had scored What the league would look like if only players born within 30 miles of the club they play for had played more than 10 games in the season what the league would look like if only players that wore prime numbers had scored I reakon we'd have a decent chance of topping that table. Can you give the form tables for the last 4, 6, 8 and 10 games please with the ones we come out best off on top please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Don't understand why Fulham is so much higher than QPR. Craven Cottage is really a LOT easier. The real surprise is Arsenal, which is a nightmare to get away from after a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Does that qualify us for Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrasri Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Old Trafford is one I can think of that you can get to by canal boat. There is actually a dining boat service on match days. West Brom like most of Birmingham is served by them, Coventry is accessible via canal, so is Brentford, but not actually PL clubs so dont count. Thinking of retiring to the canals soon so anyone know anymore Pl clubs with canals nearby. The "Shroppie" runs alongside Stokes' ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 The "Shroppie" runs alongside Stokes' ground. Thanks astrasri, Been on Shroopie, friends got boat moored up near Northwich but never been as far as Stoke. Looking good, Stoke, Manure, West Brom, must be more.... All London clubs are in ad served by tube, Etihad is also close I'm now informed. Away matches starting to get easier. Pity the Salisbury and Southampton canal never got finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 (edited) If we are 5th some of the others must be terrible. Why? St. Mary's public transport links are excellent. At least 3 train stations within walking distance of the ground, one of them a major hub with links all over the country. A decent public bus network all over the city, some of which has even been free with a match ticket. Hythe and IoW ferry to walking distance from the ground. There's even an airport, which is then accessible to the ground via one bus line or a train. For those driving there is also a decent out of town park and ride. Edit: and a National Express and Greyhound coach station within walking distance too. Edited 14 May, 2013 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Just thought its not the Shroppie in Stoke it's the Trent and Mersey, however at the other end is Liverpool, so Liverpool and Everton can be added to my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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