Turkish Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Alan Nixon Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko Protected account 10m @markreeves999 There's a blame game going on right now. Heard NC was shaking things up last week. Maybe somebody asking about him too Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko Protected account 3m @gregvul @markreeves999 Blame game on results and lack of improvement since boss change. Lack of improvement?! Lack of f8cking improvement!!! The Libeherrs want to get on the "are we any better" thread and read how many more shots are goal we're having these days FFS
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I wasn't suggesting we would poach another teams chairman. I was using those as examples of successful chairman who are currently in football. I didn't think it was difficult to understand. Decent Being the word. What would you think if we got the chairman of Everton for example? Or Swansea? It is pretty difficult to understand just what the hell you're saying, to be honest.
Turkish Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 He is a major shareholder at Everton, you don't transfer chairman like you do players or managers. Maybe it's time they did now chairman are as big a celebrity as the players. I reakon a cheeky £10m bid for Kenwright could secure his transfer.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Lack of improvement?! Lack of f8cking improvement111! The Libeherrs want to get on the "are we any better" thread and read how many more shots are goal we're having these days FFS Lol. These twitter revelations have been one giant slap in the face to the usual suspects on here. You can tell they are absolutely hating it. Here have some pie:
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 It was an example of the type of proven and decent leader of a club that we could possibly go for if Cortese were to leave. Not for a moment did I suggest that we would attract Bill Kenwright. Jesus... Yet those chairmen are also lifelong fans of their clubs. Along with their professional experience/skills, this makes for a potent mix. Not saying an outside chairman/CEO with little prior connection to the club can't be a success -see Cortese. But it might make it harder. Following your example to its logical conclusion, is there a saints fan out there with substantial business experience who could and would do the job. Doubt it.
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Lol. These twitter revelations have been one giant slap in the face to the usual suspects on here. You can tell they are absolutely hating it. Here have some pie: We haven't had anything even remotely approaching conclusive evidence yet. A lot of speculation as to what is actually going on.
skintsaint Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Yet those chairmen are also lifelong fans of their clubs. Step upto the plate Craig David...
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 It is pretty difficult to understand just what the hell you're saying, to be honest. I was giving an imaginary scenario. Lets ignore the fact I said Everton and replace it with a proven and decent chairman who has had success in football? So then what would you think if we got a chairman who is proven and decent chairman who has had success in football? Clear enough?
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 What do you mean "go for"? I see you failed to read on comprehend the word TYPE.
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Lol. These twitter revelations have been one giant slap in the face to the usual suspects on here. You can tell they are absolutely hating it. Here have some pie: No revelations as of yet, it's still only rumoured. How many times over the last few years have we been told the Liebherrs are looking to sell, that people want to leave, only for it to not happen? I seriously doubt that after everything he's said Cortese is going to walk away, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is the same group that he spoke about before that are trying to discredit the club. It's pretty convenient timing, coming out when it won't have a detrimental affect on the playing side of things.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Yet those chairmen are also lifelong fans of their clubs. Along with their professional experience/skills, this makes for a potent mix. Not saying an outside chairman/CEO with little prior connection to the club can't be a success -see Cortese. But it might make it harder. Following your example to its logical conclusion, is there a saints fan out there with substantial business experience who could and would do the job. Doubt it. It may well make it harder I don't deny that. It isn't simply a case of everything being amazing under Cortese and then suddenly everything being terrible under someone else. That may not be the case at all.
holepuncture Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 He has spoken to a member of the Liebherr family and knows people. LMFAO how many others share my view that hypochondriac is more important than the Liebherr family now?
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 No revelations as of yet, it's still only rumoured. How many times over the last few years have we been told the Liebherrs are looking to sell, that people want to leave, only for it to not happen? I seriously doubt that after everything he's said Cortese is going to walk away, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is the same group that he spoke about before that are trying to discredit the club. It's pretty convenient timing, coming out when it won't have a detrimental affect on the playing side of things. Ah so you think this article has been invented and put on the BBC in order to discredit the club?
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I was giving an imaginary scenario. Lets ignore the fact I said Everton and replace it with a proven and decent chairman who has had success in football? So then what would you think if we got a chairman who is proven and decent chairman who has had success in football? Clear enough? Fair enough, that's cleared it up. Apologies. I'd still be happier if Cortese stayed. With chairmen we have no idea what factors played a part in their success/failure at other clubs.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 LMFAO how many others share my view that hypochondriac is more important than the Liebherr family now? I believe you are just bitter that I laughed at your quote from earlier.
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Ah so you think this article has been invented and put on the BBC in order to discredit the club? I think people are getting ahead of themselves. It's not like the BBC hasn't got anything wrong before, has it. In fact I'm pretty sure I remember it being reported on there when the Liebherrs were supposed to be selling up in League One.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I think people are getting ahead of themselves. It's not like the BBC hasn't got anything wrong before, has it. In fact I'm pretty sure I remember it being reported on there when the Liebherrs were supposed to be selling up in League One. Which according to individuals at the time (and on twitter today it seems) was actually the case.
Turkish Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Yet those chairmen are also lifelong fans of their clubs. Along with their professional experience/skills, this makes for a potent mix. Not saying an outside chairman/CEO with little prior connection to the club can't be a success -see Cortese. But it might make it harder. Following your example to its logical conclusion, is there a saints fan out there with substantial business experience who could and would do the job. Doubt it. wayne bridge was a lifelong Saints fan, Wayne Rooney was a life long Everton fan. Offere the toffees and Kenwright enough cash and he'll come. Like i said, £10m and £60k a week and we've got a proven premier league experienced chairman to take us to the next level.
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 No revelations as of yet, it's still only rumoured. How many times over the last few years have we been told the Liebherrs are looking to sell, that people want to leave, only for it to not happen? I seriously doubt that after everything he's said Cortese is going to walk away, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is the same group that he spoke about before that are trying to discredit the club. It's pretty convenient timing, coming out when it won't have a detrimental affect on the playing side of things. Sorry, what do you think is actually happening?
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Fair enough, that's cleared it up. Apologies. I'd still be happier if Cortese stayed. With chairmen we have no idea what factors played a part in their success/failure at other clubs. Of course we don't but we have no definite scenario whereby everything will go to sh*t were Cortese to leave, which was my point. Thanks for being civil BTW.
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Sorry, what do you think is actually happening? I have no idea. Given the evidence of everything that has happened since he came into the club - the things he's said, the rumours that have come out and been quashed, and the promises he's made, kept, and have yet to be fulfulled - I can't see it being true that he's going to walk away.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 No revelations as of yet, it's still only rumoured. How many times over the last few years have we been told the Liebherrs are looking to sell, that people want to leave, only for it to not happen? I seriously doubt that after everything he's said Cortese is going to walk away, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is the same group that he spoke about before that are trying to discredit the club. It's pretty convenient timing, coming out when it won't have a detrimental affect on the playing side of things. But apparently the BBC bloke who has written about the story has also met with NC.
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Of course we don't but we have no definite scenario whereby everything will go to sh*t were Cortese to leave, which was my point. Thanks for being civil BTW. I agree, but given the fact that Cortese has been an undisputable success for Saints I would react to him being replaced with trepidation rather than optimism. But apparently the BBC bloke who has written about the story has also met with NC. "Apparently" they've met? And if it's true do we know what circumstances they met under?
MOSaint Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 But apparently the BBC bloke who has written about the story has also met with NC. Pretty sure it's the same guy who did the Pochettino interview for football focus a couple of weeks ago.
Saint Charlie Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 But apparently the BBC bloke who has written about the story has also met with NC. He did an interview with Pochettino a couple of weeks ago for football focus. No published interview with NC. He also used to work for the Times which is where this story came from. Clearly there is also a difference between NC "considering his future" and "NC is leaving". At this stage he is "considering his future".
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I have no idea. Given the evidence of everything that has happened since he came into the club - the things he's said, the rumours that have come out and been quashed, and the promises he's made, kept, and have yet to be fulfulled - I can't see it being true that he's going to walk away. So you think these rumours are made up by people trying to destabilise the club?
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I agree, but given the fact that Cortese has been an undisputable success for Saints I would react to him being replaced with trepidation rather than optimism. Fair enough. "Apparently" they've met? And if it's true do we know what circumstances they met under? Simon Peach @SimonPeach4h Off today so can't help on Cortese story. What I would say, though, is that @BenSmithBBC's sources at #SaintsFC top table are strong. As a fellow journalist, I suspect he is telling the truth.
Dr. Kucho Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I hope this story turns out to be sloppy journalism. If Cortese does decide to leave, I would like to see him lead Southampton City Council or Southwest Trains, things might actually get done then.
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 So you think these rumours are made up by people trying to destabilise the club? I have no idea. But it's an alternative theory that isn't exactly beyond the realms of possibility as we know it's happened before.
Window Cleaner Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 He did an interview with Pochettino a couple of weeks ago for football focus. No published interview with NC. He also used to work for the Times which is where this story came from. Clearly there is also a difference between NC "considering his future" and "NC is leaving". At this stage he is "considering his future". Hopefully not over selling our better players for some instant cash to pay back investment. We obviously have some big offers; NC obviously wants to tell them to f*ck off but the "Trust" might not see it that way. Weren't their rumours of intervention over AOC ?
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Simon Peach @SimonPeach4h Off today so can't help on Cortese story. What I would say, though, is that @BenSmithBBC's sources at #SaintsFC top table are strong. As a fellow journalist, I suspect he is telling the truth. Completely missed that tweet. Pairing that with a post from earlier on about Les Reed leaving, is the thinking that he is the source?
Saint Charlie Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Simon Peach @SimonPeach4h Off today so can't help on Cortese story. What I would say, though, is that @BenSmithBBC's sources at #SaintsFC top table are strong. As a fellow journalist, I suspect he is telling the truth. Clearly the source is NC himself, no? So definitely reliable that he is considering his future. Becuase he is also still committed it is sensible to suggest NC wants this out in the public domain...
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 I have no idea. But it's an alternative theory that isn't exactly beyond the realms of possibility as we know it's happened before. Do we? When has it happened before? Why would anyone do it? Who would? Why would a respected BBC journalist and a respected Times journo go along with it?
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Do we? When has it happened before? Why would anyone do it? Who would? Why would a respected BBC journalist and a respected Times journo go along with it? Well unless you're saying Cortese has lied on camera, yes we do know it's happened. And I'm not saying they'd go along with it but if they're presented a story like this as fact from someone they believe to be trustworthy, then of course they're going to go public with it.
Saint Charlie Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Do we? When has it happened before? Why would anyone do it? Who would? Why would a respected BBC journalist and a respected Times journo go along with it? Clearly the story is true and most likely come from NC himself. What it doesn't mean is that he will go or wants to, infact he remains very much committed and ambitious as ever, it is posturing of some kind, some reason that we don't quite know.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Clearly the source is NC himself, no? So definitely reliable that he is considering his future. Becuase he is also still committed it is sensible to suggest NC wants this out in the public domain... I agree. That's why I disagree with Saint Clark that it is another group making up rumours to detabilise SFC.
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Clearly the story is true and most likely come from NC himself. What it doesn't mean is that he will go or wants to, infact he remains very much committed and ambitious as ever, it is posturing of some kind, some reason that we don't quite know. Agreed.
qwertySFC Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Goes all against the info coming from the club over the last few years - maybe the "trust" just want someone else to take us to the next level - after all the five year plan has been completed early and we get a nice amount of cash for next year. Changing the chairman is some thing I personally would not worry about - the direction is always the same
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Goes all against the info coming from the club over the last few years - maybe the "trust" just want someone else to take us to the next level - after all the five year plan has been completed early and we get a nice amount of cash for next year. Changing the chairman is some thing I personally would not worry about - the direction is always the same But the direction came from the Chairman. It didn't come from the Liebherr trust, or even Markus himself when he were still with us. By all accounts he actually had very little to do with the running of the club.
Turkish Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 But the direction came from the Chairman. It didn't come from the Liebherr trust, or even Markus himself when he were still with us. By all accounts he actually had very little to do with the running of the club. Bull sh*t. Read the article - When German-born Liebherr died suddenly in 2010, the club said "well-laid plans that Liebherr and Cortese mapped out over a year ago will continue to be implemented uninterrupted". The plans and direction came from Markus AND Nicola, nicola is driving them through.
Saint Charlie Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Goes all against the info coming from the club over the last few years - maybe the "trust" just want someone else to take us to the next level - after all the five year plan has been completed early and we get a nice amount of cash for next year. Changing the chairman is some thing I personally would not worry about - the direction is always the same Thats so naive. Where do you think the drive and direction has come from? Its all from Cortese since ML passed. Not from the Liebherr family.
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 (edited) wayne bridge was a lifelong Saints fan, Wayne Rooney was a life long Everton fan. Offere the toffees and Kenwright enough cash and he'll come. Like i said, £10m and £60k a week and we've got a proven premier league experienced chairman to take us to the next level. The situation is slightly different with chairmen imo - many have already been successful in other walks of life, so don't need, or aren't necessarily motivated by a bit more cash. By contrast, footballers have a short career, one shot at the big time and no guarantees after they retire. Would also say salaries for football chairmen/CEOs are alot more compressed than salaries for footballers. In other words, it matters less which club you're the chairman of because the grass isn't that much greener on the other side. The result is that pay isn't a very strong incentive. The same isn't true for footballer where moving from one club to another can mean a huge spike in wages/salary. This wasnt always the case. In MLT's day, the bigger clubs, while paying more than us, didn't pay that much more, making it easy for footballers to consider things other than money. MLT even admitted that was the one of the main reasons he didn't go to Spurs. Arguably the labour market for football chairmen/CEOs is more like this. Edited 13 May, 2013 by shurlock
stevegrant Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Thats so naive. Where do you think the drive and direction has come from? Its all from Cortese since ML passed. Not from the Liebherr family. While that is entirely true, there's absolutely no reason why a new chairman/CEO couldn't possess an equal (or greater) amount of drive and ambition. Given backing, it's a role that I'm sure would be highly desirable.
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 While that is entirely true, there's absolutely no reason why a new chairman/CEO couldn't possess an equal (or greater) amount of drive and ambition. Given backing, it's a role that I'm sure would be highly desirable. Exactly. For the package that Cortese is on, the club could attract someone else pretty top-draw.
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 While that is entirely true, there's absolutely no reason why a new chairman/CEO couldn't possess an equal (or greater) amount of drive and ambition. Given backing, it's a role that I'm sure would be highly desirable. That was pretty much my point.
farawaysaint Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 Exactly. For the package that Cortese is on, the club could attract someone else pretty top-draw. And it's a massive business risk, high turnover of key management staff is usually one of the first death knells for an enterprise.
Gingeletiss Posted 13 May, 2013 Posted 13 May, 2013 It is pretty difficult to understand just what the hell you're saying, to be honest. He's just throwing out the usual pile of sh1te that he normally does, mind you, he is in his element on this thread, his juices are running for sure!
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