trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Terry Paine joins in: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10425977.Saints_legend_Paine__We_could_finish_top_four_next_season/?ref=twt&utm_content=Southampton,+Saints Basically, a 'back Cortese' piece. "Paine, who stated his view that it is important chairman Nicola Cortese remains at the club this summer" Just need MLT to come out in support of Cortese now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Terry Paine joins in: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10425977.Saints_legend_Paine__We_could_finish_top_four_next_season/?ref=twt&utm_content=Southampton,+Saints Basically, a 'back Cortese' piece. "Paine, who stated his view that it is important chairman Nicola Cortese remains at the club this summer" If I was the Leibherrs I'd run a mile. Top 4? That's just turning the club into a money pit for one man's ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 “It’s better than winning it in your own third, because you’ve got so much further to go before you reach goal. “If you get it in that last third then you’ve got to be in with a great chance of being able to turn that into goals.” How many goals have we scored in our last six games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 How many goals have we scored in our last six games? so that is it, MP is no good based on last 6 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 The fact it's being played out so publicly in my view is actually a positive thing. As someone said earlier, this is probably the first time something like this has been talked about by people within the club, usually big decisions are kept as hush hush as possible and we are left to feed on scraps of info from journalists on twitter. Now though, MP and Morgan have talked quite openly about it, and they would certainly have not done this without Cortese's say so. This makes me think that NC feels he can get the Leibherr's back on side fairly simply with a little bit of brinkmanship and threatening them slightly with the loss of players/management. I think Cortese knows what he's doing and this will be sorted sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 so that is it, MP is no good based on last 6 games I clearly did not say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 I clearly did not say that. then what are you saying about the lack of goals in last few games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 then what are you saying about the lack of goals in last few games? If what Terry Paine says is correct then we should be seeing more goals now than earlier in the season. His words are not borne out by the statistics (hi TDD btw.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 oh please what utter shyte. if i was convinced by the ceo of company to join his plan for the future and then just 4 months later he threatened to walk out then i would also consider my future. the only difference being is i wouldnt be asked the question by the worlds press. this mess must have you salivating with your **** in your hands. I am afraid this not "utter shyte". Frankly I want nothing to change, but having MP and NC publicly threatening to quit is both causing massive unnecessary unrest, and although repecting NC's contribution, it's not all down to him. The Liebherr's have been our benefactors, and NA got us into the position we are in now not just NC. They are employees - that's it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 If what Terry Paine says is correct then we should be seeing more goals now than earlier in the season. His words are not borne out by the statistics (hi TDD btw.) have no idea what a TDD is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 What damage can a few comments on an Internet forum do? Oh dear. I see he is following me round the board again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 have no idea what a TDD is? Thedelldays. I presume you are Jamie yes? It seems obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 If I was the Leibherrs I'd run a mile. Top 4? That's just turning the club into a money pit for one man's ego.Who's going to start the Saints takeover thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 I am afraid this not "utter shyte". Frankly I want nothing to change, but having MP and NC publicly threatening to quit is both causing massive unnecessary unrest, and although repecting NC's contribution, it's not all down to him. The Liebherr's have been our benefactors, and NA got us into the position we are in now not just NC. They are employees - that's it........ Yep. Situations like this do bring out the worst in people,the likes of wild-saint are getting extremely agressive simply because we disagree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 (edited) so that is it, MP is no good based on last 6 games No, based on this 32,57 % Wins 25,14 % Draw 42,29 % Losses http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/mauricio-pochettino/aufeinenblick/trainer_9044.html Nov 2012 Pochettino Sacked at Rock Bottom Espanyol http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1954821.html April 2013 Aguirre (Pochettino's successor) Pulls off Resurgence at Espanyol http://gb1886.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/espanyols-admirable-resurgence-under-javier-aguirre/ Edited 17 May, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 No, based on this 32,57 % Wins 25,14 % Draw 42,29 % Losses http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/mauricio-pochettino/aufeinenblick/trainer_9044.html Nov 2012 Pochettino Sacked at Rock Bottom Espanyol http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1954821.html April 2013 Aguirre (Pochettino's successor) Pulls off Resurgence at Espanyol http://gb1886.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/espanyols-admirable-resurgence-under-javier-aguirre/ So you judge his 3 and a half years at Espanyol based on his last two months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 didnt delldays use those small smiley things as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 No, based on this 32,57 % Wins 25,14 % Draw 42,29 % Losses http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/mauricio-pochettino/aufeinenblick/trainer_9044.html Nov 2012 Pochettino Sacked at Rock Bottom Espanyol http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1954821.html April 2013 Aguirre (Pochettino's successor) Pulls off Resurgence at Espanyol http://gb1886.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/espanyols-admirable-resurgence-under-javier-aguirre/ does that say he sold his best players, won La Liga manager of the year going by stats, redknapp would be brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 So you judge his 3 and a half years at Espanyol based on his last two months? Can you not read? Those are his lifetime management stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumuah Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Forgive me for not looking through 28 pages to see if this has been asked, but when Markus died, didn't NC say something to the effect that even if the Liebherrs pulled out, he knew lots of other super rich people who could take over? Maybe that's what he's up to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Thedelldays. I presume you are Jamie yes? It seems obvious... no, actually. As said Yesterday, My Name is Brett and Live in Camden, London - NW1 St Pauls Mews actually. Check it out, it is a nice place to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 How come Aguirre got completely different results with the same players then? Oh and he didnt win La Liga manager of the year. He won a vote in a fanzine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 How come Aguirre got completely different results with the same players then? Have no idea. we should have got Redknapp in, he has done far more in his career Maybe, we could have wheeled out Big Ron. He managed Manchester United once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Have no idea. we should have got Redknapp in, he has done far more in his career Maybe, we could have wheeled out Big Ron. He managed Manchester United once Okay so your argument is that because there have been other crap managers at other clubs in the past, it was the right decision to appoint Pochettino. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Okay so your argument is that because there have been other crap managers at other clubs in the past, it was the right decision to appoint Pochettino. Brilliant. no, you are stating facts, im sure big ron, howard wilkinson, arry redknapp even tony pulis have probably better stats than MP at Espanyol Curbishley would have been a good shout. Phil brown is wasted at Southend. its all about the %'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Guy who broke the story, Tony Evans on Brazil breakfast show now. Says NC sharp and ambitious. Said a couple of premier league owners have been singing his praises , said mahwhinny speaks very highly of saints. Said trust are re thinking their approach. Ended up by saying "Southampton face a very uncomfortable summer" Don't shoot the messenger, just repeating what he said. But he was guy who broke story He also said... "Just before he died, he planned to do a complex shifting of shares which would have given them independence and more funds, his heirs in Switzerland have changed their attitude towards the club and has left Cortese wondering if he can take it any further. He is very, very ambitious and very sharp." Interview starts 10:30 minutes into the 7:00 to 7:30 slot... http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/115027 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 So is Ramos a bad manager because Spurs started a season poorly and 'Arry got 'em back up the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Why? What's wrong with Saints and any other similar club going for top 4 long-term in the same way Everton have? Might not get there, but being competitive in the top 5 or 6 without risking the club financially? Surely that's a great ambition for a club? Nothing wrong at all aiming to doing it the Everton way (though they are a bigger club). Attempting to compete with Man City and Chelsea by pumping in millions of pounds from Never neverland, no thanks. btw Saints have spend more than Everton on transfers, its just that we havent used the money as wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 no, actually. As said Yesterday, My Name is Brett and Live in Camden, London - NW1 St Pauls Mews actually. Check it out, it is a nice place to live Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 btw Saints have spend more than Everton on transfers, its just that we havent used the money as wisely. We spent more than them this season, but we were playing catch up as they've assembled their top 6 squad over a number of years of being in the Premier League with Premier League money. Saints were trying to turn a League One squad into a Premier League squad very quickly - and succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 So is Ramos a bad manager because Spurs started a season poorly and 'Arry got 'em back up the table? Not at all. Ramos has got an outstanding record. Even at Spurs where he 'failed' he got a better record than Pochettino's best years at Espanyol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Nothing wrong at all aiming to doing it the Everton way (though they are a bigger club). Attempting to compete with Man City and Chelsea by pumping in millions of pounds from Never neverland, no thanks. btw Saints have spend more than Everton on transfers, its just that we havent used the money as wisely. You're kind of showing how narrow-sighted you are again. Yes, we spent more on transfers than Everton last year. However, they were already an established Premiership team. They have had stability, and Moyes has been able(/required) to build a team built on stability, steadily adding one or two players to the side, whilst also having to sell to fund this. They were not a team hastily assembled in L1 on the back of administration, which was then promoted at the first attempt in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Why? What's wrong with Saints and any other similar club going for top 4 long-term in the same way Everton have? Might not get there, but being competitive in the top 5 or 6 without risking the club financially? Surely that's a great ambition for a club? That doesn't sound like what Cortese has in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 We spent more than them this season, but we were playing catch up as they've assembled their top 6 squad over a number of years of being in the Premier League with Premier League money. Saints were trying to turn a League One squad into a Premier League squad very quickly - and succeeded. Its fair comment, we were playing catch up and needed to spend wisely. The irony is that the large bulk of the money was used to buy players who haven't been regular starters. The core of the squad, our best players have either been home grown or bought for £1m-£2.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Its fair comment, we were playing catch up and needed to spend wisely. The irony is that the large bulk of the money was used to buy players who haven't been regular starters. The core of the squad, our best players have either been home grown or bought for £1m-£2.5m Ramirez has started regularly, interupted by injury, travel and a personal issue. So really you are just talking about Mayuka and Forren who was signed for next season anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 The fact it's being played out so publicly in my view is actually a positive thing. As someone said earlier, this is probably the first time something like this has been talked about by people within the club, usually big decisions are kept as hush hush as possible and we are left to feed on scraps of info from journalists on twitter. Now though, MP and Morgan have talked quite openly about it, and they would certainly have not done this without Cortese's say so. This makes me think that NC feels he can get the Leibherr's back on side fairly simply with a little bit of brinkmanship and threatening them slightly with the loss of players/management. I think Cortese knows what he's doing and this will be sorted sooner rather than later. All of which suggests that Cortese is also using the BBC journo (Evans) to scaremonger too, given his quote this morning: "Southampton face a very uncomfortable summer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Ramirez has started regularly, interupted by injury, travel and a personal issue. So really you are just talking about Mayuka and Forren who was signed for next season anyway. Ramirez has been thoroughly underwhelming considering the money we have spent on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 That is the crux of the matter. SFC is much bigger than two employees and MP suggesting his sole reason for being her is NC is disrespectful and does not bode well for the future. Oh please get over yourself and stop being such a frame queen. He has been here 4 months that is all, and I find it refreshingly honest that after such a short period he is not bullshi ting fans with fake 'love the club' 'badge kissing platitudes. All this BS and speculation spouted on here in the last couple of days, the histrionics, is frankly pretty embarrassing. NC is 4 years into what we believe is a 5 year contract - so at season end with 1 year to go, they will have learnt what they need to push on beyond this. He is IN discussion with the owners to assess what can and can not be done to deliver on that.... Perfectly fricken normal. If you look at the actual quotes and not the headlines, they are all fair comments as part of a negotiation. If the owners, who incidentally had ownership thrust upon them due to the sad and untimely death of Markus, feel its not for them to invest more or if they do, wish greater say, both are also normal. As is the NC wanting to continue as he has done, after all its worked for 4 years. So they DISCUSS and negotiate. NORMAL if they can not reach agreement and no party is willing to compromise, then so be it. We move on under either different ownership or different leadership, but to give the old sad cliches you spout about the 'club is bigger than two individuals' is frankly as pathetic as it is irrelevant. Its also disingenuous to both the role that the Liebherrs's and NC have played in dragging us back up. I am just glad that they would not waste any time looking at comments on this or other fan boards, because there is enough insulting, misguided and fricken pathetic Sheila written about this that I could not blame them for thinking its not worth it. Thankfully this site is not representative of the fan base as a whole and most, simply appreciate how far we have come the backing , leadership and management decisions that have been made and want it continue, because its been good for the club, and the majority of its fans. Some you your and others histrionics are like gossiping fish wives gleefully wishing the worst will come true... Fricken saddos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 (edited) Ramirez has started regularly, interupted by injury, travel and a personal issue. So really you are just talking about Mayuka and Forren who was signed for next season anyway. Ramirez has been unfortunate with off field issues and he clearly has talent, but that aside when he has played he hasn't made an outstanding contribution. Yes he needs time to settle - which is exactly why a newly promoted team in severe need of additional quality for a difficult season shouldn't have spent £13m of precious transfer money on him. The point is that £20m of funds have been used to buy players who havent made a major contribution in our most crucial season, this one, not next or some time in the future. Had we been relegated, and lets not kid ourselves had two goals gone differently we could easily have swapped places with Wigan, those buys would have been disastrous. Edited 17 May, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 He also said... "Just before he died, he planned to do a complex shifting of shares which would have given them independence and more funds, his heirs in Switzerland have changed their attitude towards the club and has left Cortese wondering if he can take it any further. He is very, very ambitious and very sharp." Interview starts 10:30 minutes into the 7:00 to 7:30 slot... http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/115027 It's sounding like Markus didn't completely share his plans and aspirations for the club with his immediate family - the very same members now wanting to deviate from the course that Markus and Cortese supposedly set. Of course, if Markus didn't commit any of these aspirations to paper then the Liebherr's might only have Cortese's word to go on re: Markus's wishes for the club. Maybe its a simple case of the Liebherr's not believing what Cortese is telling them re: Markus's aspirations or that Cortese could be embellishing them to accelerate the project beyond what Markus envisioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Ramirez has been unfortunate with off field issues and he clearly has talent, but that aside when he has played he hasn't made an outstanding contribution. Yes he needs time to settle - which is exactly why a newly promoted team in severe need of additional quality for a difficult season shouldn't have spent £13m of precious transfer money on him. The point is that £20m of funds have been used to buy players who havent made a major contribution in our most crucial season, this one, not next or some time in the future. Had we been relegated, and lets not kid ourselves had two goals gone differently we could easily have swapped places with Wigan, those buys would have been disastrous. When you start re-writing history like that it's pointless. If we hadn't conceded those two late RVP goals against Utd at SMS, if Lallana's goal against Swansea away hadn't been ruled out etc etc. It could go on forever either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 When you start re-writing history like that it's pointless. If we hadn't conceded those two late RVP goals against Utd at SMS, if Lallana's goal against Swansea away hadn't been ruled out etc etc. It could go on forever either way. So at no point in this season have we been in dire need of additional quality on the field nor in any danger of relegation? Righto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Ramirez has been unfortunate with off field issues and he clearly has talent, but that aside when he has played he hasn't made an outstanding contribution. Yes he needs time to settle - which is exactly why a newly promoted team in severe need of additional quality for a difficult season shouldn't have spent £13m of precious transfer money on him. The point is that £20m of funds have been used to buy players who havent made a major contribution in our most crucial season, this one, not next or some time in the future. Had we been relegated, and lets not kid ourselves had two goals gone differently we could easily have swapped places with Wigan, those buys would have been disastrous. IF IF IF. IF Adkins had stuck with Boruc I'm pretty certain we'd have about 6-8 more points as the team (bar the keeper) had settled and was playing decent football by November/December but still gifting goals to the opposition. Pretty sure as well Gaston has goals and assists that have directly gained us valuable points, not to mention a lot his build up play has played a role in some important wins. FACT is we have stayed up thus our transfers have done what was required of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Ramirez has been unfortunate with off field issues and he clearly has talent, but that aside when he has played he hasn't made an outstanding contribution. Yes he needs time to settle - which is exactly why a newly promoted team in severe need of additional quality for a difficult season shouldn't have spent £13m of precious transfer money on him. The point is that £20m of funds have been used to buy players who havent made a major contribution in our most crucial season, this one, not next or some time in the future. Had we been relegated, and lets not kid ourselves had two goals gone differently we could easily have swapped places with Wigan, those buys would have been disastrous. I think you will find that Ramirez was instrumental in some of our key wins, including Villa and Newcastle as well as being the best player on the pitch in home draws against Arsenal and Everton. So to 8 points right there helping to make the difference between us and Wigan. In any case, I don't see why this is relevant. You don't attribute the success of the last 4 seasons to NC, he's been average at best. So why are you placing so much emphasis on the fact tha Ramirez hasn't had as much of a consistent season as we would have liked on the doorstep of cortese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 So at no point in this season have we been in dire need of additional quality on the field nor in any danger of relegation? Righto. Where did I say that? I have said all season I believed we would stay up, all season I said I thought it would be a long hard slog, but since the WBA away defeat I think we have been a significantly better team, and from then I really haven't thought of us as being in real danger, certainly not the past few weeks when people were getting their pampers in a twist on here. I don't really see how me saying it's pointless re-writing history equates to me saying there was no need for extra quality or we were in danger of relegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Anyone notice how much better we were when we finally dropped Davis and Fox? Key to staying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 It's sounding like Markus didn't completely share his plans and aspirations for the club with his immediate family - the very same members now wanting to deviate from the course that Markus and Cortese supposedly set. Of course, if Markus didn't commit any of these aspirations to paper then the Liebherr's might only have Cortese's word to go on re: Markus's wishes for the club. Maybe its a simple case of the Liebherr's not believing what Cortese is telling them re: Markus's aspirations or that Cortese could be embellishing them to accelerate the project beyond what Markus envisioned? Or may be the family didn't understand his obsession with an English football club and think they have better things to spend the money on. Although undoubtedly they loved and respected Marcus at the end of the day he is gone and it is their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Come on Mr President, no one is bigger than the club. Just when we needed an experienced voice to calm the situation, Terry Paine comes out with this clap trap and can be added to the list of people the Liebherrs have never heard of, demanding they throw more funds at the club to maintain the ML/NC dream. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22569321 He should be encouraging NC to work within any criteria introduced by his employers, and act accordingly, not throw his toys out of the pram at the first indication that they are not a bottomless pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 IF IF IF. IF Adkins had stuck with Boruc I'm pretty certain we'd have about 6-8 more points as the team (bar the keeper) had settled and was playing decent football by November/December but still gifting goals to the opposition. Pretty sure as well Gaston has goals and assists that have directly gained us valuable points, not to mention a lot his build up play has played a role in some important wins. FACT is we have stayed up thus our transfers have done what was required of them. If my aunty had ******** she'd be my uncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Haven't got time to read all 30 pages but is there a direct quote from Cortese saying he is 'considering his position'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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