Cortese 'Considering his position'

[buctootim]

You are just mugging yourself off pal. You were a forum nobody before this thread and will be after its gone. Absolutely clueless pal.

 

On noes, the intellectual heavy weights have arrived.

 

For what its worth I was at games when he was booed and I argued on here how pathetic it was. Im sure some of the same posters who were calling for his head then wont hear a word against him now. The lack of memory and perspective and shades of grey is eye opening.

 

I didnt even vote 'no' in the poll, and thats still seen as heresy by you and a few other weak minds. Interesting. When's the lynching party for the SMS 37?

Edited 15 May, 2013 by buctootim

[Dig Dig]

Its not a great likeness but the proportions are bang on. You should get three and pass a couple on to DD and Dig Dig for the Appreciation Club meets.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CAPODIMONTE-CHARACTER-DOLL-BOY-4-BUST-CORTESE-/110104561161

 

I've already bid so the jokes on you

[buctootim]

I've already bid so the jokes on you

 

Be careful with them. They're hollow, not much inside.

[Smirking_Saint]

There really is no point argueing with this clown, still atleast I have done my care in the community for the week.

 

Lol at you saying that anyone else lacks perspective though Timothy

[Batman]

Without answering any questions,

Buctootim is, for some reason claiming some sort of high ground. And for some reason referring to me as DD?

 

Should be a politician, you are that slippery

[Jonnyboy]

There really is no point argueing with this clown, still atleast I have done my care in the community for the week.

 

Lol at you saying that anyone else lacks perspective though Timothy

 

If you two have a fight and you die, can I have your lovely wife? I will treat her as if she were mine.

[Frank's cousin]

Its up to you if you want to attribute all the plaudits for the teams performance the last few years to Cortese. Its weird, buts it up to you. Most people don't have Delia down as personally responsible for promotion, but each to their own.

 

IMO NA got Saints promoted, largely despite and not because of Cortese's presence. Ramirez, Mayuka, Forren - £20m spent on players who barely played in a season where we were desperate for more quality and nearly got relegated. National and local press alienated. Contractors walking off site at Staplewood. A string of staff walking out. Long contracts given to players who are already nearly past it. To be frank Im embarrassed for you in your cult of personality worship.

 

And with that post you demonstrate all that is fundamentally stupid. So lets get this straight, you believe that when have success it has nothing to do with the chairman. No doubt that means with struggle, then it's also not down to the chairman? Does that mean everyone was wrong in blaming Lowe for relegation.?

 

its this kind of utter tosh, wanting it both ways when it suits that undermines any credibility in many of the arguments on this site.

 

Success is possible only when you get the combination right, leadership, funding, manger choice, manager decisions and tactics, player choice and importantly drive an ambition so that everyone is pulling in the same direction.

 

i have absolutely no doubt that some staff walked being unable to adapt... Or accept a working environment in which the expectations were turned on their head, and everyone expected to tow NCs line. - I will even wager it would not be for me, but hat does not mean its not right for the club that needed a huge kick up the backside to get back on the winning track . Shape up or ship out seems harsh, but its a reality of life. All this community club ****** is fine if you are happy in lower league obscurity or as an excuse for mediocrity, but success in sport is driven by more than such 'emotive' and naive platitudes.... It's no surprise that those down the make a big play of it, yet any of them would swap their ' fan ownership' ****** for our leadership any day.

 

Lowe was not successful because his direction and strategy was focused on financial risk aversion..fine for keeping the books balanced but as we saw eventually everyone else overtakes you... And by employing cheap and cheerful under the guise of 'loyalty and reward' we were left with sub standard managers who failed... Giving the job to Gray and Wriggly was all nice and 'community' ....

 

 

Those still go cant move beyond ticket tax, Adkins and parking, need to ask where they want this club to be... A mid table championship 'community club' run by lots of nice people, or a dynamic club at the top table with the ambitions to go beyond our expected rank? If you believe both are possible, then that's pretty naive.

 

 

Be careful what you wish for.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Hi main boarders, if you really wanted to out a new poster as an old poster, you really should have called on me and Bearsy. This is what we specialise in.

 

 

 

 

 

You know what I hate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wasted talent.

[Dig Dig]

Hi main boarders, if you really wanted to out a new poster as an old poster, you really should have called on me and Bearsy. This is what we specialise in.

 

 

 

 

 

You know what I hate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wasted talent.

 

What do you think Tokyo? Sentence structure and a nonchalant posting style are big give aways IMO.

[buctootim]

If you two have a fight and you die, can I have your lovely wife? I will treat her as if she were mine.

 

If you help me kill him we could have her on timeshare.

Edited 15 May, 2013 by buctootim

[scotty]

If you two have a fight and you die, can I have your lovely wife? I will treat her as if she were mine.

 

 

F*ck off Jonny, I saw her first.

[Tokyo-Saint]

What do you think Tokyo? Sentence structure and a nonchalant posting style are big give aways IMO.

 

I don't know about any of that stuff, ask him about subs and frying eggs, that'd be my tip.

[Tokyo-Saint]

This might explain some of the posting style you've been talking about.

 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21458437

 

Hi batman,

 

Yes or no, going to sea with 60+ other men for 6 months is a bit gay?

[Dig Dig]

Batman, are you an able seaman?

 

Cheers for the pointer Tokyo

[Wes Tender]

And with that post you demonstrate all that is fundamentally stupid. So lets get this straight, you believe that when have success it has nothing to do with the chairman. No doubt that means with struggle, then it's also not down to the chairman? Does that mean everyone was wrong in blaming Lowe for relegation.?

 

 

The essence is summed up nicely by the little sign that Harry Truman had on his desk; "The buck stops here"

 

The analogy being that the head of any organisation gets the blame and also the plaudits when things go badly or well.

 

So you're quite right, Frank, that as Lowe got the blame as chairman for mistakes he made in the firing and hiring of managers, inability to attract investment, etc, so should Cortese be credited for those things that he appears to have done successfully too. He has not only attracted the investment in the first instance of Markus Liebherr, but the changes he has brought to the management were certainly vindicated with the dismissal of Pardew and the appointment of Adkins. And although not fully vindicated yet with the appointment of Pochettino, most are content that the signs indicate that the decision might have been another bold move in the right direction.

 

For anyone to suggest that the success of the club was mainly down to the managers and not give credit to the person who appointed them is naive enough, but for Tim to then suggest that the person responsible for bringing to the table one of the wealthiest club owners in English football and to then oversee the appointment of three managers who have brought this level of success, embracing successive promotions from League One to Premiership survival and suggest that it was only an average feat, is insulting. Although he declines to name the chairmen he considers to be above average, I'll add myself to the list of those who consider Cortese to be very much above average for what has been achieved here so far under his stewardship. I accept that there are some instances where he has caused some dissent in his dealings with the media and his public relations skills need honing or delegated to others practised in those arts, but my view is that although he might come across to some as a bastard, he is our bastard and bloody effective with it.

[egg]

And with that post you demonstrate all that is fundamentally stupid. So lets get this straight, you believe that when have success it has nothing to do with the chairman. No doubt that means with struggle, then it's also not down to the chairman? Does that mean everyone was wrong in blaming Lowe for relegation.?

 

its this kind of utter tosh, wanting it both ways when it suits that undermines any credibility in many of the arguments on this site.

 

Success is possible only when you get the combination right, leadership, funding, manger choice, manager decisions and tactics, player choice and importantly drive an ambition so that everyone is pulling in the same direction.

 

i have absolutely no doubt that some staff walked being unable to adapt... Or accept a working environment in which the expectations were turned on their head, and everyone expected to tow NCs line. - I will even wager it would not be for me, but hat does not mean its not right for the club that needed a huge kick up the backside to get back on the winning track . Shape up or ship out seems harsh, but its a reality of life. All this community club ****** is fine if you are happy in lower league obscurity or as an excuse for mediocrity, but success in sport is driven by more than such 'emotive' and naive platitudes.... It's no surprise that those down the make a big play of it, yet any of them would swap their ' fan ownership' ****** for our leadership any day.

 

Lowe was not successful because his direction and strategy was focused on financial risk aversion..fine for keeping the books balanced but as we saw eventually everyone else overtakes you... And by employing cheap and cheerful under the guise of 'loyalty and reward' we were left with sub standard managers who failed... Giving the job to Gray and Wriggly was all nice and 'community' ....

 

 

Those still go cant move beyond ticket tax, Adkins and parking, need to ask where they want this club to be... A mid table championship 'community club' run by lots of nice people, or a dynamic club at the top table with the ambitions to go beyond our expected rank? If you believe both are possible, then that's pretty naive.

 

 

Be careful what you wish for.

 

To be fair, buctotim makes many good points.

 

Mayuka, gaston and forren has been 20m wasted.

 

Irrespective of who is right and who is wrong, we have drawn bad press.

 

The contracts given to Barnard, butterfield, Davies and others over recent seasons has to be questioned.

 

I'm in the "yes" camp but its not wrong to highlight errors in NC's judgement.

[egg]

Btw this is a great thread and I for one couldn't give a monkeys if bear is Tokyo, turks is del, dd is batman, scooby is ****gy or whatever.

 

Can you please take that sh1t to the muppet show, or wherever.

 

Cheers.

[Guided Missile]

The essence is summed up nicely by the little sign that Harry Truman had on his desk; "The buck stops here"

 

The analogy being that the head of any organisation gets the blame and also the plaudits when things go badly or well.

 

So you're quite right, Frank, that as Lowe got the blame as chairman for mistakes he made in the firing and hiring of managers, inability to attract investment, etc, so should Cortese be credited for those things that he appears to have done successfully too. He has not only attracted the investment in the first instance of Markus Liebherr, but the changes he has brought to the management were certainly vindicated with the dismissal of Pardew and the appointment of Adkins. And although not fully vindicated yet with the appointment of Pochettino, most are content that the signs indicate that the decision might have been another bold move in the right direction.

 

For anyone to suggest that the success of the club was mainly down to the managers and not give credit to the person who appointed them is naive enough, but for Tim to then suggest that the person responsible for bringing to the table one of the wealthiest club owners in English football and to then oversee the appointment of three managers who have brought this level of success, embracing successive promotions from League One to Premiership survival and suggest that it was only an average feat, is insulting. Although he declines to name the chairmen he considers to be above average, I'll add myself to the list of those who consider Cortese to be very much above average for what has been achieved here so far under his stewardship. I accept that there are some instances where he has caused some dissent in his dealings with the media and his public relations skills need honing or delegated to others practised in those arts, but my view is that although he might come across to some as a bastard, he is our bastard and bloody effective with it.

Pompous Windbag...

 

Harry Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima..

Edited 16 May, 2013 by Guided Missile
F ucw1tt

[Dark Munster]

Has he signed yet?

[St.JonB]

I voted no as I’m not sure either way and I could see the yes vote did not need my help. No doubt he has done a good job. I still do not think it was right to sack Adkins and the way it was done was disgusting. My main problem though is with the over optimism a lot of fans have got about the future if Cortese stays. Increased capacity, qualifying for the Champions’ League and beating established teams to the signing of international players if he stays. If he goes it will be a disaster on par with 9/11 (according to some!). This is not the case is it? It’s good to aim high but you will find plenty of examples of teams falling flat on their faces after over stretching. I would feel a lot more comfortable if we lived within our means and did not rely on anyone subsidising us. Anyway stay or go, you will still find me enjoying a pint before and supporting the team during the match as I have done for the past 30 years.

[Tamesaint]

Pompous Windbag...

 

Harry Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima..

 

And without it the second world war would have dragged on until the 1950's with the loss of millions of lives.

[Suomi Saint]

To be fair, buctotim makes many good points.

 

Mayuka, gaston and forren has been 20m wasted.

 

Irrespective of who is right and who is wrong, we have drawn bad press.

 

The contracts given to Barnard, butterfield, Davies and others over recent seasons has to be questioned.

 

I'm in the "yes" camp but its not wrong to highlight errors in NC's judgement.

 

This is a very interesting point about contracts. NC does not appear to be as ruthless with the players as he is with the management and anyone else. Does this mean that he does have insecurities and does actually feel the need to be "liked" by someone? On the signings front, I don't believe that Gaston will turn out to be a waste of money, and neither do we have any real evidence to suggest that Forren is 4 million down the drain. Of course if he continues to be " the invisible man" then we can question the transfer committee's judgement. Overall, NC has got it right - which is why I voted 'yes.'

[oracle saint]

Pompous Windbag...

 

Harry Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima..

 

So I guess you're not a believer in the aphorism that the ends justify the means? I thought Wes Tender's contribution was far from pompous; in fact an erudite and thoughtful summary. Why do people have to resort to facile abuse if they disagree with someone?

 

Contributed in the interests of the campaign for reasoned debate.

[Tokyo-Saint]

And without it the second world war would have dragged on until the 1950's with the loss of millions of lives.

 

This is bull****. The bomb was dropped for 2 reasons, 1) to show the Russians not to mess and 2) because it cost so much to develop it was becoming a disaster - there needed to be an end result for all the money spent. There is a hell of a lot of evidence to prove this in Hiroshima including leaked US government documents.

 

Sorry if this is off topic egg you boring ****, I just couldn't let that bit pass.

[Charlie Wayman]

And with that post you demonstrate all that is fundamentally stupid. So lets get this straight, you believe that when have success it has nothing to do with the chairman. No doubt that means with struggle, then it's also not down to the chairman? Does that mean everyone was wrong in blaming Lowe for relegation.?

 

its this kind of utter tosh, wanting it both ways when it suits that undermines any credibility in many of the arguments on this site.

 

Success is possible only when you get the combination right, leadership, funding, manger choice, manager decisions and tactics, player choice and importantly drive an ambition so that everyone is pulling in the same direction.

 

i have absolutely no doubt that some staff walked being unable to adapt... Or accept a working environment in which the expectations were turned on their head, and everyone expected to tow NCs line. - I will even wager it would not be for me, but hat does not mean its not right for the club that needed a huge kick up the backside to get back on the winning track . Shape up or ship out seems harsh, but its a reality of life. All this community club ****** is fine if you are happy in lower league obscurity or as an excuse for mediocrity, but success in sport is driven by more than such 'emotive' and naive platitudes.... It's no surprise that those down the make a big play of it, yet any of them would swap their ' fan ownership' ****** for our leadership any day.

 

Lowe was not successful because his direction and strategy was focused on financial risk aversion..fine for keeping the books balanced but as we saw eventually everyone else overtakes you... And by employing cheap and cheerful under the guise of 'loyalty and reward' we were left with sub standard managers who failed... Giving the job to Gray and Wriggly was all nice and 'community' ....

 

 

Those still go cant move beyond ticket tax, Adkins and parking, need to ask where they want this club to be... A mid table championship 'community club' run by lots of nice people, or a dynamic club at the top table with the ambitions to go beyond our expected rank? If you believe both are possible, then that's pretty naive.

 

 

Be careful what you wish for.

 

Here, here!

[dubai_phil]

Pompous Windbag...

 

Harry Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima..

 

And that Ladies and Gentlemen is the quality of debate that you get when you have Politics.

[pap]

Can someone tell me how they've determined that we've wasted 20 million quid on Mayuka, Ramirez and Forren?

 

Have they all decided to become milkmen or something, giving up the ol' professional football lark? Did we sign 100% sell on deals with their former clubs?

[egg]

Sorry if this is off topic egg you boring ****, I just couldn't let that bit pass.

 

Tokes,it is bad enough having to read your drivel at the best of times, but when you go off subject it becomes very tedious.

 

It would probably be ok if you were as entertaining as you think you are, but you're not.

[egg]

Can someone tell me how they've determined that we've wasted 20 million quid on Mayuka, Ramirez and Forren?

 

Have they all decided to become milkmen or something, giving up the ol' professional football lark? Did we sign 100% sell on deals with their former clubs?

 

Purely based on the fact that mayuka hasn't delivered, that forren hasn't featured and that IMO gaston has flattered to deceive.

 

My comment that it was 20m wasted was a bit flippant. 20m that probably could have been better spent would be more accurate. Either way, that transfer business looks pretty poor based on what I've seen so far.

[Tokyo-Saint]

You can PM me nice stuff again later egg. I'll forgive you.

[Roger]

Now it has been leaked, they need to sort this situation out ASAP as its causing a lot of uncertainty for the fans. Hopefully we will know one way or another by the end of next week.

[Pugwash]

This is bull****. The bomb was dropped for 2 reasons, 1) to show the Russians not to mess and 2) because it cost so much to develop it was becoming a disaster - there needed to be an end result for all the money spent. There is a hell of a lot of evidence to prove this in Hiroshima including leaked US government documents.

 

Sorry if this is off topic egg you boring ****, I just couldn't let that bit pass.

 

Those were two of the reasons - no bomb is effective unless it's been used and the bean-counters always want their say. But his statement, whilst he uses it to reinforce his view that the end justifies the means, certainly isn't bull****. Your standard of debate is slipping, Tokes - too much time on the MS.

 

Anyway this is all getting way off topic.

[sussexsaint]

Now it has been leaked, they need to sort this situation out ASAP as its causing a lot of uncertainty for the fans. Hopefully we will know one way or another by the end of next week.

 

 

Much respect Rog for trying to drag us back onto topic

[Tokyo-Saint]

I think you have to go to the atomic bomb museum in Hiroshima before you can say the ends justified the means.

 

Let's leave it there before egg has a break down about going off topic and has to completely back track on PM again.

[Turkish]

Pompous Windbag...

 

Harry Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima..

 

That's why I have Les on ignore.

[CB Saint]

Well well well, another thread descends into the happy clappers vs we hate nik nak ers.

 

This really should be in TMS. Can anyone actually remember what this thread is about or is everyone too busy ducking the mud that is being slung backwards and forwards?

[Pugwash]

I think you have to go to the atomic bomb museum in Hiroshima before you can say the ends justified the means.

 

Let's leave it there before egg has a break down about going off topic and has to completely back track on PM again.

 

I didn't say the end justifies the means, merely pointed out that Egg was using that as an example of such.

 

As it happens, I have been to the bomb museum in Hiroshima, so don't necessarily agree with Egg.

[capitalsaint]

Tokes,it is bad enough having to read your drivel at the best of times, but when you go off subject it becomes very tedious.

 

It would probably be ok if you were as entertaining as you think you are, but you're not.

 

stay on topic please.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Last word on that topic from me. It's a tasteless, like using the zeebrugge disaster as an example of the expression 'sink or swim'.

 

Back on topic, wasnt there some friendly disagreement between Marcus and Nicola on our goal? I'm paraphrasing but it was something like ML "I want the club to become a stable prem league club." NC "I can't do that, if we get to the prem, we have to get to the champ league and compete." Everyone laughed as at the time we were in league 1.

 

Maybe the liebherrs don't give a dam about us, maybe the liebherrs just want to complete Marcus's goal to honour him, maybe they think it is now 'mission complete' and anything further is NC dream and not ML's.

[sussexsaint]

To be fair the only truely stable PL teams are the ones towards the CL end of the league anyway. So NC has a point

[Turkish]

Last word on that topic from me. It's a tasteless, like using the zeebrugge disaster as an example of the expression 'sink or swim'.

 

Back on topic, wasnt there some friendly disagreement between Marcus and Nicola on our goal? I'm paraphrasing but it was something like ML "I want the club to become a stable prem league club." NC "I can't do that, if we get to the prem, we have to get to the champ league and compete." Everyone laughed as at the time we were in league 1.

 

Maybe the liebherrs don't give a dam about us, maybe the liebherrs just want to complete Marcus's goal to honour him, maybe they think it is now 'mission complete' and anything further is NC dream and not ML's.

 

Yes there was. Cortese wants to aim for the stars, lets hope it doesn't go the way of space shuttle challenger.

[Tokyo-Saint]

:toppa:

Yes there was. Cortese wants to aim for the stars, lets hope it doesn't go the way of space shuttle challenger.

 

 

You'll get shot down like JFK for this but I like it and agree.

[Viking Warrior]

Wow . So the thread starts out as NC considering his position and ends up about every thing but . More like the crystal maze . Can I assume therefore . There is no news and both parties are locked away in a room together . Or is NC just getting on with his job of running the club ? Ps any news of next season pre season friendlies and are we going back out to Switzerland for training ?

[Wes Tender]

Pompous Windbag...

 

Harry Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima..

 

Typical of Misguided, taking the debate way off subject just to be snide.

[egg]

I think you have to go to the atomic bomb museum in Hiroshima before you can say the ends justified the means.

 

Let's leave it there before egg has a break down about going off topic and has to completely back track on PM again.

 

Tokes, they'll be no break durn from me but thanks for the concern.

 

Strangely enough I've no opinion on a political discussion on a footy thread. My one comment was about comparisons between posters and possible double posting,

 

You bit because you're an attention whore.

 

As for backtracking, you are the iidiot who thought we should meet for a fight because I dared highlight how much of an idiot you were being on a thread. We had a few pm's and that was that.

 

Now you're being an idiot again. Just wind your neck in.

 

If you want to carry on a pointless discussion please pm so that I can tell you what an idiot you are in private and allow other posters to discuss what they're actually supposed to be discussing.

[capitalsaint]

Tokes, they'll be no break durn from me but thanks for the concern.

 

Strangely enough I've no opinion on a political discussion on a footy thread. My one comment was about comparisons between posters and possible double posting,

 

You bit because you're an attention whore.

 

As for backtracking, you are the iidiot who thought we should meet for a fight because I dared highlight how much of an idiot you were being on a thread. We had a few pm's and that was that.

 

Now you're being an idiot again. Just wind your neck in.

 

If you want to carry on a pointless discussion please pm so that I can tell you what an idiot you are in private and allow other posters to discuss what they're actually supposed to be discussing.

 

who do i pm to call you an idiot?

[Tokyo-Saint]

[trousers]

@SouthamptonFC: MP: "I don't really like to speak about myself. How we've done is down to the players and Nicola Cortese." #saintsfc

[Bearsy]

As for backtracking, you are the iidiot who thought we should meet for a fight because I dared highlight how much of an idiot you were being on a thread. We had a few pm's and that was that.

 

hi can u forward these pm's to me pls

[Tokyo-Saint]

You already have them dumb bear.