Batman Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Because I think the average annual pay for a Chief Execs in this country is a bit over £200k, taking into consideration the people employed in these roles in most PL clubs I can't see them being on a massive amount more than that. Depends on the role of each person I guess. And what said people are willing to pay him. What is Swiss Toby take at QPR? Nothing? What about the dude at Venkys I'm sure each club arrangements are all very different
Sour Mash Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Gill ? The bloke at City ? Probably those two, but that highlights that sort of money is the exception rather than the rule.
Sour Mash Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Depends on the role of each person I guess. And what said people are willing to pay him. What is Swiss Toby take at QPR? Nothing? What about the dude at Venkys I'm sure each club arrangements are all very different I doubt each club's arrangements are "all very different". Some will vary, but there will be some that are comparable.
stevegrant Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 While I've already stated my position, I will add that people seem to think that our back-to-back promotions to the top flight were some sort of unheard of miracle when we're not even the first club to do it this decade. As admirable an achievement as it was, Norwich did exactly the same without needing to convert £33m of injected funds to equity.
Batman Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 While I've already stated my position, I will add that people seem to think that our back-to-back promotions to the top flight were some sort of unheard of miracle when we're not even the first club to do it this decade. As admirable an achievement as it was, Norwich did exactly the same without needing to convert £33m of injected funds to equity. Where did that money go then? Certainly not cortese' pocket?
buctootim Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 While I've already stated my position, I will add that people seem to think that our back-to-back promotions to the top flight were some sort of unheard of miracle when we're not even the first club to do it this decade. As admirable an achievement as it was, Norwich did exactly the same without needing to convert £33m of injected funds to equity. Exactly. And when Norwich did it my recollection was that everybody was rightly lauding Paul Lambert, not Delia.
Batman Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Exactly. And when Norwich did it my recollection was that everybody was lauding Paul Lambert, not Delia. Who are all these average chairman that NC is no better than. Name names
Chez Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Not all roles will be the same, but here is few I found on the web: Paul Faulkner, chief executive at Villa £256,000 Ron Gourlay, chief executive at Chelsea £911,000 Alistair Mackintosh, chief executive at Fulham £704,000 Ian Ayre, managing director Liverpool £657,000 David Gill, chief executive Manure £2,593,000 Derek Llambias is managing director, Newcastle £266,000 David McNally, chief executive Norwich, £1,533,000 Daniel Levy, Spurs Director £2.2m Jeremy Peace, executive chairman WBA £1,133,000
Batman Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 (edited) Levy out. For that money Looks very varies to me Edited 14 May, 2013 by Batman
Dig Dig Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Exactly. And when Norwich did it my recollection was that everybody was rightly lauding Paul Lambert, not Delia. I'm sure Norwich fans were greatful to all involved
Chez Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Where did that money go then? Certainly not cortese' pocket? Assuming Cortese's wage started at £1.2m and increased by £100,000 a year to the £1.5m it is now, then £5.3m of it did. No idea how accurate that is though.
buctootim Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 I'm sure Norwich fans were greatful to all involved Im sure they were. Pity we weren't
Batman Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Im sure they were. Pity we weren't They are grateful for their average chairman doing an average job Name names then?
Sour Mash Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Assuming Cortese's wage started at £1.2m and increased by £100,000 a year to the £1.5m it is now, then £5.3m of it did. No idea how accurate that is though. Plus Cortese has all his expenses, including housing etc put through the club it seems, that needs to be added to the figure.
buctootim Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Assuming Cortese's wage started at £1.2m and increased by £100,000 a year to the £1.5m it is now, then £5.3m of it did. No idea how accurate that is though. Its important to remember Cortese's £1.6m was in the Championship and £750,000 in lg1. He will likely be on a lot more now, possibly more than Gill or Levy. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10334149.Saints_pay_revealed/
Katalinic Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Its important to remember Cortese's £1.6m was in the Championship and £750,000 in lg1. He will likely be on a lot more now, possibly more than Gill or Levy. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10334149.Saints_pay_revealed/ I guess it has gone up incrementally with the value and position of the club - win/win all round for NC, Saints fans and the Liebherr Trust.
Dig Dig Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Im sure they were. Pity we weren't What are you on about now?
Chez Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 It's the Liebherrs club and if they want to pay him £1.5m a year that is entirely up to them and by the looks of it that amount is comparable with some other Chairman. Will they pay the next guy less?
Jonnyboy Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Interesting that of the 34 voting for Cortese to leave, a few are skates.
Barry Sanchez Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Interesting that of the 34 voting for Cortese to leave, a few are skates. I suppose even inbreds need company even from their laughing superiors but I do wonder why a skate would come on here, the blue few really do get lonely.
Jonnyboy Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 I think it says that fans of other clubs would want NC to leave as they see the positive overall impact of his regime.
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 (edited) Someone that appears to be at the awards dinner just posted this... Greg Dyer @g8egd #saintsfc cortese said he is #staying!!!! https://twitter.com/g8egd/status/334428991853297664 He has been posting pictures like this of himself and Saints players all evening... And importantly one with the man himself...! Edited 14 May, 2013 by Matthew Le God
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Wow, there are a lot of posters on the Cortese should stay list who obviously aren't prepared to put their money where their mouth is.
itchen_dan Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Too many Vodkas for Mr Cortese or he just seems wary? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKQkCkACIAI7ML4.jpg
MOSaint Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Too many Vodkas for Mr Cortese or he just seems wary? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKQkCkACIAI7ML4.jpg That guy has his arm around him, maybe his hand shifted a bit low #reacharound
Dig Dig Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Too many Vodkas for Mr Cortese or he just seems wary? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKQkCkACIAI7ML4.jpg He's just miffed that the other dude is still using 79p wet look gel on his hair
JackanorySFC Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 According to previous years accounts Cortese was on £600k a year iirc. The publication of his salary from last financial year came after we had secured promotion to the Prem in the end of June 12 financials. With that in mind I assumed he earned some sort of performance related bonus, as do most exec directors upon delivering growth/ exceeding targets. I believe a lot of our players are incentivised this way too, I read in the times recently that we are leading the way with (relatively) low wages and big bonuses for performance. Something I'm completely comfortable with. Personally don't like his attitude but no one can say he hasn't been a success off the field.
Jimmy_D Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Interesting that of the 34 voting for Cortese to leave, a few are skates. In 2008, Pompey won the FA Cup. In 2009, they saw us drop to League One and have the -10 applied to leave us in our lowest position for generations while they survived in the Premier League. Portmouth's implosion is, uh, well documented, shall we say, elsewhere on this forum, and since then, they've dropped to the lowest tier of league football, had the name of their team dragged through the mud, and today lost out on a player to Fleetwood Town. In the same time, mostly thanks to Marcus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese, we've seen our team score four goals at Wembley in front of a record crowd, back to back promotions, and survival in the Premier League, beating each of last season's champions. It's perhaps the biggest and fastest swing in fortunes any two rivals have EVER seen. They must absolutely despise him for his part in it. I hope he'll be here for a long time yet, but even if he isn't, he's already been a part of more than I could have dared to hope for us a few years ago.
the colonel Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Plus Cortese has all his expenses, including housing etc put through the club it seems, that needs to be added to the figure. Who cares what he earns....if you are successful you earn the big bucks....I don't understand while people get so wound up by big earners.
Red Posted 14 May, 2013 Posted 14 May, 2013 Not all roles will be the same, but here is few I found on the web: Paul Faulkner, chief executive at Villa £256,000 Ron Gourlay, chief executive at Chelsea £911,000 Alistair Mackintosh, chief executive at Fulham £704,000 Ian Ayre, managing director Liverpool £657,000 David Gill, chief executive Manure £2,593,000 Derek Llambias is managing director, Newcastle £266,000 David McNally, chief executive Norwich, £1,533,000 Daniel Levy, Spurs Director £2.2m Jeremy Peace, executive chairman WBA £1,133,000 Personally, don't see the point in all these comparisons - sure some earn less, may even be nicer personalities (whatever that means), but an employee (inc. CEO) is worth what the company wants to pay them for their contribution - I am sure they will not pay a lot more than they believe they are worth or indeed a lot less. Most stock brokers, a lot more junior than CEO level, and yes even today, are paid a lot more than £1.5M because that is what their firms believe they are worth, and not because they are such nice and upstanding people! I don't have a problem with what our owners pay our CEO - not that I have much of a say in it anyway - it's their money and their risk, as long as he is delivering which he is. In any case, not sure there is any evidence whatsoever that his package is the issue - I am 100% sure he could earn more outside of football. BTW - it would be interesting to see what the total board packages would be for all the above clubs? I don't know, but am willing to bet that we have one of the smallest boards on our payroll and so only fair to divide the total board payment by the number of board members - unless of course we think NC is being negligent in his duties of VP of Catering or VP of Car Parking ....... opps think I just opened the proverbial can of worms
dubai_phil Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 Someone that appears to be at the awards dinner just posted this... Greg Dyer @g8egd #saintsfc cortese said he is #staying!!!! https://twitter.com/g8egd/status/334428991853297664 He has been posting pictures like this of himself and Saints players all evening... And importantly one with the man himself...! Doesn't look like any signs of stress or worry about instability on the faces of anyone in those pics. Or was that the Bubbly? As for NC you just know he is saying "You undermined my negotiating position with a Tweet? Yes, a Horses head will fit"
Mouldy Coat Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 If the club is up for sale then we will not be running the company at any level below break even in my opinion. Did Cortese not vote against the financial FairPlay rules? If so, this would imply that perhaps investment was there/promised before the vote. However, i believe the vote was post BVI loan? cant be bothered to check. in any event itall leadsto a power struggle over funding. i hope this is concluded quickly to ensure we can add to the current playing staff in time for next season. I wonder whether te BVI loan was sanctioned by Liebherrs? It's not sounding good put it that way
JustMike Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 Wow, there are a lot of posters on the Cortese should stay list who obviously aren't prepared to put their money where their mouth is. what?
Viking Warrior Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 What are you on about dibden. Of course I want him to stay. he has done brillian for our club. I clicked the yes he should stay box. I did not realise I had to write a thesis on why I feel this way. but in response to your question m quite happy to put my money where my mouth is. whatever you are on about. you bloody numpty
sussexsaint Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 Looking at the rest of that chaps tweets, he says Cortese said he was staying to a group of 6 or so fans last night. Not really sure what to make of that. Not like him to double talk and would have been very easy for him to say , hopefully or something else vague. Clutching at straws maybe, but was from the horses mouth
alpine_saint Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 A few surpsing names amongst the "no" vote, I must say. One I could have predicted. He is the biggest attention-seeking front-bottom to frequent the site. We all know who I am talking about.
Raging Bull Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 Last time I looked at the accounts I'm sure he was on 600k. Think it was a year or 2 ago though. Want him at the club though. We need a chairman like him rather than 1 who's all fart and no sh1t.
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 A few surpsing names amongst the "no" vote, I must say. One I could have predicted. He is the biggest attention-seeking front-bottom to frequent the site. We all know who I am talking about. Just had a look myself, there are some strange ones wanting Cortese to go and some strange ones to be fair wanting him to stay, I include myself in that list, never liked the man one bit but want to see him have a chance at want he has always spouted on about.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 A few surpsing names amongst the "no" vote, I must say. One I could have predicted. He is the biggest attention-seeking front-bottom to frequent the site. We all know who I am talking about. Does he live in the mountains?
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 Is he an unfunny try hard*, sounds like mearsy? *Not my words, the words of other well respected SWF posters.
Saint Charlie Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 A few surpsing names amongst the "no" vote, I must say. One I could have predicted. He is the biggest attention-seeking front-bottom to frequent the site. We all know who I am talking about. The No voters are a strange mob, a mix of agenda ridden maniacs, Pompey fans and people who don't post like 'Haliology' - wonder how many of those are second logons?
badgerx16 Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 On the basis that all of our pet skates seem to have voted no, he should definitely stay.
capitalsaint Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 Is he an unfunny try hard*, sounds like mearsy? *Not my words, the words of other well respected SWF posters. i like his voice, it would reassure me in a survival situation.
Dig Dig Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 The No voters are a strange mob, a mix of agenda ridden maniacs, Pompey fans and people who don't post like 'Haliology' - wonder how many of those are second logons? People with massive agendas but without the courage to follow up in a public vote? I wonder who that could be?
farawaysaint Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 People with massive agendas but without the courage to follow up in a public vote? I wonder who that could be? I think roundly criticising all who voted no for whatever reason goes somewhat against the purpose of having an open public vote in the first place? Everyone who voted yes also has an agenda just a different one, besides, it's not like these polls mean anything.
Handyman Posted 15 May, 2013 Posted 15 May, 2013 is this the beginning of the end? Maybe the end of the beginning!
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