manji Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Do you just wait for Duncan to post before writing something? That's the only time I ever see you post. Only because "duncan" seems to fit an anti-Cortese niggle into a lot of his posts. It irritates me that some see "duncan" as some sort of in the know just because hes knocked a couple of hagiograhies together. Clearly hes just another of the left wing loon clique (ala Chorley) who would like to see the club in turmoil to see if they could benefit from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I've only read a couple of random pages, but would just like to say I hope Cortese stays. I didn't agree with how he handled Adkins sacking, but we have certainly prospered under his leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 ambitious new plans? wants the stadium expanded now, but liebherr's more cautious in case of relegation next year? just speculation but that's my hat in the ring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Only because "duncan" seems to fit an anti-Cortese niggle into a lot of his posts. It irritates me that some see "duncan" as some sort of in the know just because hes knocked a couple of hagiograhies together. Clearly hes just another of the left wing loon clique (ala Chorley) who would like to see the club in turmoil to see if they could benefit from it. Why don't you just stfu. Duncan is a saints fan through and through and you are a clueless little muppet. You're support for Lowe was utterly embarrassing. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Awards ceremony tomorrow maybe a bit more interesting now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 (edited) Why don't you just stfu. Duncan is a saints fan through and through and you are a clueless little muppet. You're support for Lowe was utterly embarrassing. Go away. Your wit and repartee is second only to Oscar Wilde.Were you at Oxford a member of the debating society perhaps ? Edited 14 May, 2013 by manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Prehaps indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10055155/Nicola-Cortese-on-brink-as-Southampton-chairman.html "There is now significant uncertainty over whether the Liebherr family want Cortese to remain as chairman beyond this summer. According to club sources, the Liebherr family have failed to grasp the urgency of this situation. There is also the theory that the Liebherrs are open to offers for Southampton now that their Premier League status is effectively secure for at least another year. Having paid just £14 million to buy Southampton in 2009, they could expect to sell at a huge profit. Against that, the Liebherr Trust has shown considerable commitment by converting £33 million in loans to shares since Liebherr’s death. They have also sanctioned a £10 million investment in the club’s training facilities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 This seems to come from a single source - Ben SMITH writing the BBC report. He is friends and ex-colleague with the guy who covered in the Times (who I think maybe linked to skates but not sure). The article says - Nicola Cortese is considering his position as Southampton chairman amid talks to resolve differences with the trust that owns the club. The 44-year-old has overseen Southampton's rise from the foot of League One to the Premier League. But, with the club having all but secured their position in the top flight, the focus has now shifted to Cortese's future at St Mary's. It is understood Cortese will make a decision in the near future. He is thought to be seeking guarantees over his future and clarification about the way the owner's Liebherr Trust want to proceed. So, the report is that he is seeking reassurance and they are talking to resolve it. SMITH further has added later today that CORTESE is still very committed to the project and wants to continue. Not sure we can safely read much more into this - ie how much they are willing to spend, how long they want to be here. Lets hope it gets sorted, few signings and look forward to next season. Its not as worrying as I feared reading this thread before had chance to catch up article. On lighter note - thanks to the usual handful with their entertaining contradictory posts! Turkish/Alps you need to up your game, Barry is sneaking ahead and art has come from no where with his trolling! but do like this one... I posted a while ago (after Chelsea game I think) 2 rumours. One, that Cortese was going in the Summer because the family did not like the way Adkins was treated (came from a promiment supporter) and two, Ramirez was going to Fiorentina because his wife was not happy. It seems my source has been spot on twice! spot on twice...err neither of those have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I reckon 256 pages before resolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Your wit and repartee is second only to Oscar Wilde.Were you at Oxford a member of the debating society prehaps ? No I just haven't got time to write and essay. But seriously, you are an absolute buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Just had horrible thought that Man City will come in for Pochetino. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Unless we go back to red and white, and of course get NA back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJSaint Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 We need stability. NC has always acted with the best interests of the club and has played a huge part in our success from League 1 to Premiership. I hope he stays and that the owners support him in it. There seems little point in the selling the club at the moment as they have put so much investment in place for the future. Yes this does make it an appealing purchase but it doesn't make good business sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 For the family this is the optimal time to sell up for maximum return. The club have now been established in the top flght and the family could at this moment hand over the infinitely more difficult and expensive task of climbing into the top six. They can get out, heads high. Funnily enough I did predict that for this season but had assumed I was wrong and they were staying. Maybe, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I've heard we're being taken over by the Venkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 We need stability. NC has always acted with the best interests of the club and has played a huge part in our success from League 1 to Premiership. I hope he stays and that the owners support him in it. There seems little point in the selling the club at the moment as they have put so much investment in place for the future. Yes this does make it an appealing purchase but it doesn't make good business sense. Selling the club now makes brilliant business sense. The investment in the future (training ground) is sporting investment, not necessarily business investment. Selling now maximises return and the family are well out of the six monthly treadmill of "we just need two or three quality signings" that, say, Randy Lerner soon tired of. It's all cost from here on in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Selling the club now makes brilliant business sense. The investment in the future (training ground) is sporting investment, not necessarily business investment. Selling now maximises return and the family are well out of the six monthly treadmill of "we just need two or three quality signings" that, say, Randy Lerner soon tired of. It's all cost from here on in. Pretty sure you predicted we would be sold this summer. Well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I've added a simple snap poll. Personally I want him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I've added a simple snap poll. Personally I want him to stay. Good idea. I feel the poll will be rather one sided. He may be a ruthless bastard, but he's our bastard. Would far rather have him on side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Pretty sure you predicted we would be sold this summer. Well done sir. This is getting a little awkward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I want him to stay simply to see how far we can go, if he leaves through the boards lack of ambition then we truly know where he wanted to try to send us, he needs that opportunity and the fans deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Would be a disaster if he left. Whatever your views on him he gets the job done and has taken us to the next level. He would be the best man to take us even further. However... I do think that he needs to either learn some people skills or not have the ability solely to make some decisions. The club needs to remember its past and treat those who have been here with a bit more respect. At the end of this I hope he stays and hope the family back him. But only with certain conditions I.e stop treating people like ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 I.e stop treating people like ****. [h=1]If you just set out to be liked, you will be prepared to compromise on anything at anytime, and would achieve nothing.[/h] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Hmm, so far 24-0 in favour of Cortese. Wonder what odds you'd have got on that during January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 [h=1]If you just set out to be liked, you will be prepared to compromise on anything at anytime, and would achieve nothing.[/h] It isn't so much about being liked it is more about making those decisions with a bit more respect towards whoever is on the receiving end. If they have been an awful employee then fine, but not towards those who have done well. They have earn't to be dealt with decently IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 [h=1]If you just set out to be liked, you will be prepared to compromise on anything at anytime, and would achieve nothing.[/h] Compromise is sometimes needed, the sign of a truly successful businessman is to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Considering his position? Hasn't he made his mind up yet? I thought he was supposed to be dynamic but he's been dithering all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Considering his position? Hasn't he made his mind up yet? I thought he was supposed to be dynamic but he's been dithering all day. Unless he wins this power struggle he'll be gone. He didn't win it today and I don't think he'll win it at all. The liebherrs are massive. Cortese isn't. I'd expect a new man at the helm next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 It isn't so much about being liked it is more about making those decisions with a bit more respect towards whoever is on the receiving end. If they have been an awful employee then fine, but not towards those who have done well. They have earn't to be dealt with decently IMO. From the role of an exile, I can only go on raw progress. It's been striking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 From the role of an exile, I can only go on raw progress. It's been striking. Can't argue with our progress. But, if you were the owners would you get a return from any further progress? Would further investment yield a return? Probably not imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 May, 2013 Share Posted 13 May, 2013 Can't argue with our progress. But, if you were the owners would you get a return from any further progress? Would further investment yield a return? Probably not imo. Hence the game of brinkmanship that we are now privy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 It may have already been put on this thread a while ago but thought this was an interesting comment from Alex Crook (Sky Soccer Saturday Reporter) several hours ago: @alex_crook: @chrise1984 @KyleMartin_SFC @csmith_journo I'd be surprised if they will bid for anyone until Cortese Liebherr situation is resolved Which means that this could serious affect our pre-season preparations and our preparations for next-season. It sounds to be as if his hands are tied until the Liebherr's give him the all clear to continue with his 'vision for the club' and enable him to sign more players and strengthen the squad in the Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 It may have already been put on this thread a while ago but thought this was an interesting comment from Alex Crook (Sky Soccer Saturday Reporter) several hours ago: @alex_crook: @chrise1984 @KyleMartin_SFC @csmith_journo I'd be surprised if they will bid for anyone until Cortese Liebherr situation is resolved Which means that this could serious affect our pre-season preparations and our preparations for next-season. It sounds to be as if his hands are tied until the Liebherr's give him the all clear to continue with his 'vision for the club' and enable him to sign more players and strengthen the squad in the Summer. Most of the reports have suggested that this Cortese/Liebherrs matter will be resolved, one way or the other, by the end of the month. The problem is that if Cortese does walk it is unlikely business will be done until the Liebherrs have installed a new Chairman, which obviously would disrupt preparations for next season, especially if the hiring process drags on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 No I just haven't got time to write and essay. But seriously, you are an absolute buffoon. and you sir are a blaggard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Can't argue with our progress. But, if you were the owners would you get a return from any further progress? Would further investment yield a return? Probably not imo. From a purely football side, doubtful but if its used for other things -to promote other businesses then it can still be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 From a purely football side, doubtful but if its used for other things -to promote other businesses then it can still be useful. ....which Cortese and the Leibherrs have shown no interest in doing so far, not sure why they are going to start doing it now. What businesses have they got that they would want to promote to Sky Sports viewers in the UK, anyway? Genuine question, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 He is thought to be seeking guarantees over his future amid concerns that the Liebherr trust is contemplating a change to the way the club is run. Basically, the Liebherr's are looking to sell. That would mean they are going against their Fathers explicit wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Some people are assuming that it was Markus's aim to sell the business for maximum profit at some stage. How do we know he didn't buy the club more as a hobby that happened to make him a few bob on the side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Oh do shut up you have no more idea whats going on than anyone else. You are just twisting the "story" to fit your own pathetic agenda. And you are still wetting your knickers on my every word I am confident, very confident I have more idea than you on what is going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Only because "duncan" seems to fit an anti-Cortese niggle into a lot of his posts. It irritates me that some see "duncan" as some sort of in the know just because hes knocked a couple of hagiograhies together. Clearly hes just another of the left wing loon clique (ala Chorley) who would like to see the club in turmoil to see if they could benefit from it. Firstly it is hagiographies and secondly for what it is worth I voted for Cortese to stay; so I would like to know how that works into me being a left-wing loon who would like to see the club in turmoil? You appear to be the one with the personal agenda against me and as we have never met I struggle to understand why. Perhaps you read the Daily Mail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Firstly it is hagiographies and secondly for what it is worth I voted for Cortese to stay; so I would like to know how that works into me being a left-wing loon who would like to see the club in turmoil? You appear to be the one with the personal agenda against me and as we have never met I struggle to understand why. Perhaps you read the Daily Mail? He's probably at home with a picture of rupert infront if him Duncan praying for his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 I want him to stay simply to see how far we can go, if he leaves through the boards lack of ambition then we truly know where he wanted to try to send us, he needs that opportunity and the fans deserve it. Are you Peter Ridsdale in disguise? I don't much like the uncertainty raised by this issue at this time, I don't suppose many of us do, but if Cortese does go then I'll get over it - after the sudden assassination of our last manager this is a lesson that ironically he has helped install in me. Lets face it, this grand scheme of his to transform this middle sized regional club into a top 5 force in the Premier League was always insanely overambitious anyway. So if the Don does get the boot then as long as the Liebherr's can find a capable new Chairman who is happy to steer the club onto a more realistic and sustainable pathway then that might not be a bad thing in the long run. Our model should be to emulate the success of clubs such as Swansea - not to be another Leeds or Pompey *shudders* In any case this matter needs to be concluded ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Some people are assuming that it was Markus's aim to sell the business for maximum profit at some stage. How do we know he didn't buy the club more as a hobby that happened to make him a few bob on the side? Markus may well have done that. Markus is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Would be disappointed if Cortese left, he's certainly been the driving force behind our resurgence in recent years and will be a tough act to follow. But that said, big names, be they managers, players, coaches, whatever, have come and gone over the years and I'm sure we'll get by. He'll have to go at some point (our future does not end at the same time as his departure, whenever that may be), and whilst I be disappointed his tenure might be cut short, SFC will not come to a halt with his departure. How about being really ambitious and get David Gill in who has just left United???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 You appear to be the one with the personal agenda against me and as we have never met I struggle to understand why/QUOTE] Well, Fitz, think yourself lucky your surname isn't 'Osman', then you'd really be in trouble... You never know, we may come out of all this for the better. Clear the air talks, a united vision for the future and and a slightly more amiable NC. I voted for him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Oh do shut up you have no more idea whats going on than anyone else. You are just twisting the "story" to fit your own pathetic agenda. It's these sorts of posts that stop so many others from replying. I don't think we should have to read this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Would be a disaster if he left. Whatever your views on him he gets the job done and has taken us to the next level. He would be the best man to take us even further. However... I do think that he needs to either learn some people skills or not have the ability solely to make some decisions. The club needs to remember its past and treat those who have been here with a bit more respect. At the end of this I hope he stays and hope the family back him. But only with certain conditions I.e stop treating people like ****. Yep agree with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 (edited) Markus may well have done that. Markus is dead. Indeed and 'the Trustees' would/should be carrying out his wishes. (Hence the suggestion that the goal of the Trust (on behalf of Markus) might not be to maximise return on investment. I guess we'll never know what Markus sought to get out of buying Saints. Was it philanthropy or simply a money making exercise? Or maybe it was a bit of both.) Edited 14 May, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Ok assuming the Lebs do sell, how much realistically do you think it would take? 50 mill? 100 mill? Who has that sort of cash. Middle East families tend to have. Bob or few. Ps I voted NC to stay. Preferably with the Lebs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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