SaintBobby Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Ok, this was a nerdy and pointless waste of two hours of my time. And I'm not sure I've got this quite right. But here goes.... TO FINISH 10th Saints need to beat Stoke and ALL of the following to happen: 1. West Ham lose at home to Reading 2. Norwich fail to beat Man City away 3. Newcastle fail to beat Arsenal at home 4. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away by 2 more goals than we beat Stoke by TO FINISH 11th Saints need to beat Stoke and need EXACTLY 3 of the following 4 things to happen (if all happen, we go up a place, for each additional one that doesn't, we go down a place) 1. West Ham lose at home to Reading 2. Norwich fail to beat Man City away 3. Newcastle fail to beat Arsenal at home 4. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away by 2 more goals than we beat Stoke by TO FINISH 12th Saints beat Stoke and then we need EXACTLY 2 of the following 4 things to happen (for each additional one that happens, we go up a place, for each additional one that doesn't, we go down a place) 1. West Ham lose at home to Reading 2. Norwich fail to beat Man City away 3. Newcastle fail to beat Arsenal at home 4. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away by 2 more goals than we beat Stoke by OR Saints need to draw with Stoke and need ALL of the following 5 things to happen 1. Norwich lose away at Man City 2. Newcastle lose at home to Arsenal 3. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away 4. Villa fail to beat Wigan away 5. Sunderland to fail to beat Spurs away TO FINISH 13th Saints beat Stoke AND EXACTLY 1 of the following 4 things happens (for each additional one that happens, we go up a place, if none happen, we go down a place) 1. West Ham lose at home to Reading 2. Norwich fail to beat Man City away 3. Newcastle fail to beat Arsenal at home 4. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away by 2 more goals than we beat Stoke by OR Saints draw with Stoke and need EXACTLY 4 of the following 5 things to happen (if all 5 happen, we finish 12th, if only 3 or fewer happen we drop to 14th, if only 2 happen we drop the 15th etc) 1. Norwich lose away to Man City 2. Newcastle lose at home to Arsenal 3. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away 4. Villa fail to beat Wigan away 5. Sunderland fail to beat Spurs away TO FINISH 14th Saints will finish at least 14th if we win our final game - irrespective of results elsewhere. OR Saints draw with Stoke and EXACTLY 3 of the following 5 things happen (for each additional one that happens, we go up a place, for each additional one that doesn't, we go down a place) 1. Norwich lose away to Man City 2. Newcastle lose at home to Arsenal 3. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away 4. Villa fail to beat Wigan away 5. Sunderland fail to beat Spurs away OR Saints lose to Stoke and ALL of the following 3 things happen: 1. Wigan fail to beat Arsenal but do beat Villa 2. Fulham lose to Swansea away (and Saints don't lose by 3 more than Swansea) 3. Sunderland lose to Spurs away OR draw with Spurs away and Saints only lose by one goal. TO FINISH 15th Saints draw with Stoke and EXACTLY 2 of the following 5 things happen (for each additional one that happens, we go up a place, for each additional one that doesn't, we go down a place) 1. Norwich lose away to Man City 2. Newcastle lose at home to Arsenal 3. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away 4. Villa fail to beat Wigan away 5. Sunderland fail to beat Spurs away Or Saints lose to Stoke and ONE AND ONLY 1 of the following 4 things happen 1. Wigan beat both Arsenal and Villa 2. Wigan v Villa is a draw 3. Fulham lose to Swansea away (and Saints don't lose by 3 more than Swansea) 4. Sunderland lose to Spurs away OR draw with Spurs away and Saints only lose by one goal. TO FINISH 16th Saints draw with Stoke and ONLY 1 of the following 5 things happen (for each additional one that happens, we go up a place, if none happen we go down a place) 1. Norwich lose away to Man City 2. Newcastle lose at home to Arsenal 3. Fulham fail to beat Swansea away 4. Villa fail to beat Wigan away 5. Sunderland fail to beat Spurs away Or Saints lose to Stoke and EXACTLY 2 of the following 3 things happen 1. Wigan beat both Arsenal & Villa OR Wigan v Villa is a draw 2. Fulham lose to Swansea away (and Saints don't lose by 3 more than Swansea) 3. Sunderland lose to Spurs away OR draw with Spurs away and Saints only lose by one goal. TO FINISH 17th Saints draw with Stoke and ALL of the following 5 things happen (for each one that doesn't we go up a place) 1. Norwich draw or win away to Man City 2. Newcastle draw or win at home to Arsenal 3. Fulham beat Swansea away 4. Villa beat Wigan away 5. Sunderland beat Spurs away OR Saints lose to Stoke and ALL of the following 3 things happen 1. Wigan beat both Arsenal and Villa OR Villa v Wigan is a draw 2. Fulham manage to avoid losing to Swansea by 2 goals more than Saints have lost to Stoke 3. Sunderland win at Spurs or draw at Spurs if Saints lose by more than one goal (NOTE re: Fulham: If Saints win 2-1 (or 3-2 or 4-2) and Fulham win 3-0 (or 4-1 or 5-1) then the two teams will be tied on points, goal difference and goals scored and our head-to-head results are also a 3-3 aggregate draw. I'm guessing Fulham then overtake Saints on away goals (their 2 to our 1) in our head-to-heads, but I've ignored this eventuality) TO FINISH 18th (FOR THE ABSOLUTE BEDWETTERS!): ALL of the following would need to happen: 1. Wigan need to beat Arsenal on Tuesday 2. Wigan need to beat Villa on Sunday 3. Saints need to lose by at least 11 goals more than Villa lose by (and by 12 goals more than Villa unless Villa contrive to score at least 4 goals and still lose at Wigan) 4. Spurs would need to fail to beat Sunderland at White Hart Lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Sir, I salute you. Get yourself a drink.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 (edited) Second greatest thread ever (and today), and very logically structured. Superb. Edited 12 May, 2013 by The9 Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Greatest thread ever, and very logically structured. Superb. Greatest thread ever? It's not even the greatest thread today. That was Alpines one 'we we are going down' after going behind at Sunderland, only for us to equalise before 10 people had replied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Greatest thread ever? It's not even the greatest thread today. That was Alpines one 'we we are going down' after going behind at Sunderland, only for us to equalise before 10 people had replied. Agreed. Completely agreed. That was pure gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Just checked the Prem Handbook for tiebreakers, after goals scored : "if any 2 or more Clubs have scored the same number of points, have the same goal difference and have scored the same number of goals in League Matches in that Season they shall be deemed to occupy the same position in the table." That's unless there's something at stake, like relegation or Europe or the title, in which case there's a play-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Greatest thread ever? It's not even the greatest thread today. That was Alpines one 'we we are going down' after going behind at Sunderland, only for us to equalise before 10 people had replied. Agreed. Completely agreed. That was pure gold. Yeah, suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Just checked the Prem Handbook for tiebreakers, after goals scored : "if any 2 or more Clubs have scored the same number of points, have the same goal difference and have scored the same number of goals in League Matches in that Season they shall be deemed to occupy the same position in the table." That's unless there's something at stake, like relegation or Europe or the title, in which case there's a play-off. Nice bit of research. Well, it is possible we end up tied with Fulham then. Wonder when such a thing last happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Nice bit of research. Well, it is possible we end up tied with Fulham then. Wonder when such a thing last happened? I don't think it has in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 can you do same for next season pls to show what we need to finish positions 1-20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 (edited) If we are 13-0 down near the end of the match, and Wigan (having already beaten Arsenal) score to lead 1-0 against Villa, we would be in a strange position of wanting either Wigan to get a second, or Villa to equalise! Football ... it's a funny old game. Edited 12 May, 2013 by Dark Munster Added Wigan beating the Arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 12th is my bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 So as those other things aren't going to happen, we just have to beat stoke and hope west ham lose and we finish 10th. Is that about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 So as those other things aren't going to happen, we just have to beat stoke and hope west ham lose and we finish 10th. Is that about it? Need Newcastle and Norwich to not win, and Fulham not to win by 2 more than Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Those are classed in the 'not going to happen' section the9. So just a west ham loss and saints win and we are top 10 and Turks eats humble pie etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 are you watching motd tokyos? What is with them yellow paper clappy things they have at norwich? V.gay! If we get them at st mary's i'm changing clubs yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Can't see Reading getting anything at West Ham but quite possibly all the other results could go our way, so 11th isn't by any means, out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 are you watching motd tokyos? What is with them yellow paper clappy things they have at norwich? V.gay! If we get them at st mary's i'm changing clubs yo! You obviously don't remember the Walsall game where we used them then....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Those are classed in the 'not going to happen' section the9. So just a west ham loss and saints win and we are top 10 and Turks eats humble pie etc. this is correct! To simplify further if west ham lose turkish bends over yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 You obviously don't remember the Walsall game where we used them then....... fo real? This is why i don't go to actual games yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 fo real? This is why i don't go to actual games yo! Fo-real!! Common in ti-fo's yo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 hmm they does look good there, but it ain't the appearance that i object to it's the noisemaking, norwich games sounds like a thong of air hostesses running down plastic street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 are you watching motd tokyos? Nah, I don't really like football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 a thong of air hostesses running down plastic street I see no issue with this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Although saying that bear, when we were at the FA cup paints final the other year, someone must have thought it was a good idea to give all the kids a load of gazoos. I don't know who likes the sound of those gazoo things but it's not me. It sounded like the worlds biggest wasp was on its way to Wembley. In the end I just went home. Better to be safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 13 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 13 May, 2013 can you do same for next season pls to show what we need to finish positions 1-20? Well, not quite! But we do already know the following: Guaranteed to win the league: 112 points (37 wins and 1 draw means no one can be ahead of you) Guaranteed to qualify for Champs L: 94 points (31 wins, 1 draw and 6 defeats means no more than 3 teams can be ahead of you) Guaranteed to qualify for Europa: 88 points (29 wins, 1 draw and 8 defeats means no more than 4 teams can be ahead of you) Guaranteed to finish in top ten: 58 points (19 wins, 1 draw and 18 defeats means no more than 9 teams can be ahead of you) Guaranteed to avoid the drop: 58 points (technically, all teams could win 19 and lose 19 and all 20 teams would be on 57 points and separated only by GD) Guaranteed to be relegated: 5 points (technically, the bottom four teams could all draw 6 and lose 32, so 4th from bottom could be on 6 points and stay up on GD) I seriously need to get out more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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