washsaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 I for one think not..,.....no guts, no passion (except raising the game for the big teams) and no cutting edge. Thought at the time, and definitely so now, that NA was harshly treated and did not know what the new guy would bring: relegation battle and we have gone backwards at an alarming rate after the initial honeymoon period. Will be a long, hard season next year if we stay up and we will be battling relegation again with Pochettino in charge. Just hope he strengthens smartly in the summer but I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Oh good, it's this thread again. I'll copy and paste all the responses from one of the few dozen other threads about this to make it easier for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 No. We still have no plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Great thread............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 No. We still have no plan B. Plan B - Bring on sub, sub scores, result improves, safety follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Time to wait a year or two and see how their careers develop, rather than weekly debate swings as matches are won or lost, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 No. Dreadful decision, said so at the time, no reason to change that view despite all the 'big talk'. Seem to remember someone posting from a Spanish/Espanyol supporting friend that he was their version of Steve Bruce. Would we have wanted him at St Mary's ? Nice bloke no doubt, wish him well at Saints, but its glaringly obvious he'll p!ss off back to Spain if a decent opportunity arises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 i don't reckon we're no worse, at least. on the other hand i read earlier that he has lowest win percentage of any premier league manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 I for one think not..,.....no guts, no passion (except raising the game for the big teams) and no cutting edge. Thought at the time, and definitely so now, that NA was harshly treated and did not know what the new guy would bring: relegation battle and we have gone backwards at an alarming rate after the initial honeymoon period. Will be a long, hard season next year if we stay up and we will be battling relegation again with Pochettino in charge. Just hope he strengthens smartly in the summer but I have my doubts. No we're certainly no better off with Pochettino - but we are where we are and have to press on from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Come on Glasgow, use your normal login. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 After a couple of huge steps forwards in his first 9 or 10 games we seem to have regressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Imo NO. How he picks lallana and davis over puncheon (who has scored 7 goals) is beyond me. Lambert and j rod are getting worse too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Hopefully things will improve again once he can get his own team together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We will see when he brings in his own players for his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 I think the team are just tired. Definitely need new faces next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We're just getting no luck infront of goal. By all accounts the better team today and poor finishing / good. We need to address our defence and attack in the summer, though. CB and Striker priority. goalkeeping prevented us from scoring 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We'll see what the answer is next season with a full pre-season and his own signings. Not hugely impressed so far to be honest, that 3-0 loss to West Brom was unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 give the bloke a chance to mould the team with his signings and a proper close season FFS. We may not have seen consistency but we have seen a higher level of performance from Adkins players than Adkins achieved. Roll on next season....be excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Puncheon's girlfriend has just had another baby - I expect that's got something to do with why he's not starting at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 give the bloke a chance to mould the team with his signings and a proper close season FFS. We may not have seen consistency but we have seen a higher level of performance from Adkins players than Adkins achieved. Roll on next season....be excited. Are you convinced he will still be here next season ? Would come as no surprise if NC makes another change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Are you convinced he will still be here next season ? Would come as no surprise if NC makes another change. oh beehive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Puncheon's girlfriend has just had another baby - I expect that's got something to do with why he's not starting at the moment she seems to pop them out every week yo! What is she chicken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 its too early to say but this is a far from convincing end to the season we are nowhere near a top ten team at the moment. Lets all get behind poch next season and see where we are at Xmas. We were dire in the transfer window so hopefully a better one this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 No. Dreadful decision, said so at the time, no reason to change that view despite all the 'big talk'. Seem to remember someone posting from a Spanish/Espanyol supporting friend that he was their version of Steve Bruce. Would we have wanted him at St Mary's ? Nice bloke no doubt, wish him well at Saints, but its glaringly obvious he'll p!ss off back to Spain if a decent opportunity arises. How is it glaringly obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 she seems to pop them out every week yo! What is she chicken? Absolutely brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Interesting to see how we build and strengthen over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 How is it glaringly obvious? Do you really believe he sees his future in English football ? With the language issue as well I do not blame him if he seeks a return to Spain if a decent sized Spanish club come in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 I think with a summer of training and additions to the squad (and there will probably be a complete overhaul of the squad), we'll really challenge next season. We seem to play a good pressing game which has the bigger teams struggling but then struggle against the scrappier lot. I think he just needs to learn when to press and when not to, and improve our finishing, and we'll be flying. While our recent form hasn't been good, I still think he's a good manager and we'll do well under him next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Of course; results against the 15 sides we've played under Mauricio show an improvement of 6 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 I think, in many ways, his hands have been tied. We don't have a big squad, and if one of our first teamers are out we have to call on the likes of De Ridder or Fox. I think, once he invests a little bit of his image into the side, we can really see what he's made of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We're not any better, and not really any worse either. Its striking how similar results and performances under Adkins and Pochettino have been. Good performances against the top teams, lacklustre and sometimes dreadful against the weaker ones. Similar per game points tally, frustratingly inconsistent. So far the manager change hasn't been justified. Pochettino may be 'okay' but 'okay' doesn't justify the stiffing of our most successful manager in recent decades and in the process taking a huge risk mid season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We're not any better, and not really any worse either. Its striking how similar results and performances under Adkins and Pochettino have been. Good performances against the top teams, lacklustre and sometimes dreadful against the weaker ones. Similar per game points tally, frustratingly inconsistent. So far the manager change hasn't been justified. Pochettino may be 'okay' but 'okay' doesn't justify the stiffing our most successful manager in recent decades and in the process taking a huge risk mid season. But, to be fair, the risk paid off. Pochenttio will be managing in the PL next year, and Nigel will be back in the championship. It was a brave call by Cortese but I think long-term, it will be the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We're not any better, and not really any worse either. Its striking how similar results and performances under Adkins and Pochettino have been. Good performances against the top teams, lacklustre and sometimes dreadful against the weaker ones. Similar per game points tally, frustratingly inconsistent. Pochettino may be 'okay' but 'okay' doesn't justify the stiffing our most successful manager in recent decades and in the process taking a huge risk mid season. strikingly similar how? we lost at home to Sunderland under Adkins so a draw away is a better result isn't it ? Like for like opponents Adkins 12 points Pochettino 18 exactly how is that similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Pochettino will need 2-3 transfer windows before anyone is able to compare him with Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 The question is no longer relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Yes, we play far better football under MP.. we keep the ball better.. and next season we will see more improvement with an influx of technical ball players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We're not any better, and not really any worse either. Its striking how similar results and performances under Adkins and Pochettino have been. Good performances against the top teams, lacklustre and sometimes dreadful against the weaker ones. Similar per game points tally, frustratingly inconsistent. So far the manager change hasn't been justified. Pochettino may be 'okay' but 'okay' doesn't justify the stiffing of our most successful manager in recent decades and in the process taking a huge risk mid season. Entirely true. We need a really good performance and result against Stoke to tuck this season away. At the start of the season I'd have taken survival by any means if it was offered, so that's a really good achievement. But expectations do change, and our last 4 or 5 games have been below par from what we've been brought to expect since around November time, when we had a real turnaround of fortunes under the former manager, which then led over to the current manager. MP still has lots to prove IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Do you really believe he sees his future in English football ? With the language issue as well I do not blame him if he seeks a return to Spain if a decent sized Spanish club come in for him. I have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. In addition, I see no evidence of a 'language issue' given that we know from numerous sources that he gets his point across to the players just fine in English, and will have the summer to improve more. Furthermore, what I know about Cortese suggests to me that he is not the kind of man to make an appointment like this only for him to see him manager leave at the first opportunity. I also think that, with the resources we have and the facilities being built, we are an exciting club to be a part of. I also think that his tenure at the club so far has been, at the very least, promising, although it is true that we haven't pulled away from safety quite as easily as we had hoped. Pochettino may or may not work out at SFC, but 'glaringly obvious' that he will leave it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Key now is that he gets a summer to work with his players, bring in new faces and generally put his stamp on the team and the club. Then we will really see what he is made of. Or of course Cortese might sack him in August or something if we don't win our first match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 I have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. In addition, I see no evidence of a 'language issue' given that we know from numerous sources that he gets his point across to the players just fine in English, and will have the summer to improve more. Furthermore, what I know about Cortese suggests to me that he is not the kind of man to make an appointment like this only for him to see him manager leave at the first opportunity. I also think that, with the resources we have and the facilities being built, we are an exciting club to be a part of. I also think that his tenure at the club so far has been, at the very least, promising, although it is true that we haven't pulled away from safety quite as easily as we had hoped. Pochettino may or may not work out at SFC, but 'glaringly obvious' that he will leave it is not. Okay mitch, respect your view and of course I have no firm evidence to back up my view,but we'll have to agree to disagree and see how things pan out over the course of the next twelve months or so. I do agree with your comment " ..., with the resources we have and the facilities being built, we are an exciting club to be a part of.." , but would add the qualification to that, providing it is managed properly, and I don't mean by MP but by NC, and Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 (edited) But, to be fair, the risk paid off. Pochenttio will be managing in the PL next year, and Nigel will be back in the championship. It was a brave call by Cortese but I think long-term, it will be the right one. That's a bizarre comment. Saints are in almost exactly the same position now as they were when Adkins was sacked and Reading were already unsaveable by the time Adkins arrived. Slightly more relevant is that fact that on current form (past 4 games) Saints are 17th whilst Reading are 10th. Edited 12 May, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Yes, we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 As someone has said, the fair assessment is when he has had a chance to work the transfer market, have a pre-season, etc. So really the jury is out, but imo it is difficult to say anything that happened since he took over wouldnt have happened with NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We are head & shoulders better than we were under Adkins but to many wan.kers want him to fail as they are still bitter over NA getting the bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Not sure about head and shoulders better, but I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 With to a doubt I think we have moved on. We are dominating teams like never before. It's only the last few games we seem to have become shot shy and a bit less clinical. Today we should have murdered S/land. 10 shots on goal? We have become lame in front of goal that's all. Sharpen up the finishing and I can genuinely see us hammering teams 3/4-0. Week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Well done NA........ But Poch is a much better fit for Saints.. Well done Saints for some really delightful football. We can get much better and will be a force to be reckoned with next season. COYS:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Puncheon's girlfriend has just had another baby - I expect that's got something to do with why he's not starting at the moment Paternity leave eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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