hutch Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 We're arguing over the wrong issue. The real question is why don't England have a van Persie, or a Suarez, or a Michu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 van persie is dutch u idiot! Suarez is ban. Michu is good shout tho, dunno what more he can do to get call up. Prob too old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Hodgson on Sky Sports News (contains the bit trousers quoted) : "For a long time we didn't consider Andy Carroll because he was injured, but since he's come back from injury he's always been very much in our thoughts, and I think he is the type of player that gives another dimension to our squad, and gives us other possibilities if we care to use them. And finally in answer to your question, I'm not concerned about his playing style, I think there's always gonna be room for a centre-forward of his class and his type who are good at holding the ball up, as a centre forward and particularly very good at attacking crosses, not only in the opponents' penalty box but also in your own penalty box." I have much less reason to respect his argument now he's basically said "we need a big heading donkey up there and he's also better than Lambert at holding the ball". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2013 It would make a cynic wonder if our spineless FA is just pandering to the "glamour" clubs so they can justify their sometimes ridiculous spending on players and help keep the player values up. This makes precisely no sense. What does the FA get out of "keeping player values up" and why would a player be worth more if he came with the added risk of international injury, as opposed to the same quality player who was not playing in internationals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 We're arguing over the wrong issue. The real question is why don't England have a van Persie, or a Suarez, or a Michu? probably wouldn't pick them if we did. International selection is a strange affair, selectors have their binkies and keep picking them to the detriment of players perceived as more able. France squad for the South american tour is an absolute joke, even Nasri is in it although nobody knows why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 probably wouldn't pick them if we did. International selection is a strange affair, selectors have their binkies and keep picking them to the detriment of players perceived as more able. France squad for the South american tour is an absolute joke, even Nasri is in it although nobody knows why. is Schneiderlin known over the water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 is Schneiderlin known over the water? in the press yes but as he says in his interview he's had no contact from Deschamps or the Federation. Think he's a bit of a pariah as far as the FFF is concerned. They told him to find a new club when we dropped down to League 1 but he didn't want to do that and he was cast aside. Been called up since then a couple of times for the U23s but for minor games. Anyway Deschamps is a knob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing anyway. Guess we'll just have to wait until he gets sacked or Morgan blacks up and dyes his hair yellow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 At least our players will not be humiliated by the Brazilian players when or useless England squad loses to a far superior team, and the bonus of our players not getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100% Saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Don't really understand what Tom Cleverley has done to warrant another call up. Well what he has done is sign for a big club, simple as really. In 21 Premier League games he has played this season he has scored 2 and assisted 1 for a midfielder that is pretty bad. IMO he shouldn't play for England and Leon Osman should, Also I think Cork should get a shout as he has got very good passing, positioning and can turn people. I googled best English players at the moment and it came up with a top 20 English players at the moment, even though it was in November and Adam Lallana in 5th position and Rickie in 18th. Sometimes it is embarrassing to have players in the international players who do next to nothing at their clubs. :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Are people really that surprised that an out-of-form, half-fit striker has been left out of the England squad?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 van persie is dutch u idiot! Suarez is ban. Michu is good shout tho, dunno what more he can do to get call up. Prob too old? Are you serious? Michu ain't English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Scoring goals is not the be all and end all. Unless we dominate games Lambert is pretty ineffective because he doesn't offer us an outlet in behind when we are under the cosh. Roy likes to play on the break and to do that you need pace and power. Lambert hasn't got those attributes so we move on. For a striker scoring IS the be all and end all. You couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If nothing else this thread is outing the people who have never seen Bearsy comment before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Would you like to specify what that is ? Well he is a much more intelligent player who uses space better and brings out the best in players around him. His ability to control the ball in an instant when it is hit at him at almost any angle also gives him advantages over other players who have pace but a poorer touch. He would be much more suited to international football where intelligence and touch are more important than pace and power than some of the others mentioned. Indeed continuing to pick Jermaine Defoe is the classic example of what is wrong with having people like Hodgson as England manager and is this is why we will never succeed at international level. Defoe is the sort of player - loose control, inconsistency but pace and power who succeeds in the harem scarem, world that is Premier League football - although to be fair even that is changing which is why AVB doesn't always pick him! As my friend who is a German semi-professional player says they wouldn't be asking these questions about Lambert in Germany. He would be in the squad - although not the starting line-up. Defoe would be nowhere near it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Are you serious? Michu ain't English. are you seriously taking Bearsy seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 I think the fact that MLT got 8 England caps and Emile Heskey got 62 England caps tells you all you need to know about England's selection policy. This. I've not been excited about an England match since 1998, and barely watched one, and it's mostly because of sh1te like this that show up how feckin WEAK England managers are. We'll never win anything with a yes man in charge. I have taped footage somewhere of an interview with Hoddle as Chelsea manager saying if he was England manager, Matt's name would be first on the team sheet. Every time I think back to it, I feel like ripping someone's head off. One day it'll give me an aneurism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 I think the fact that MLT got 8 England caps and Emile Heskey got 62 England caps tells you all you need to know about England's selection policy. Yes this hits the nail on the head. Hodgson is just another fleet-street influenced conservative loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 17 May, 2013 Share Posted 17 May, 2013 Hodgson is just clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymcrowe Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 This unimaginative, unexciting squad will struggle at the World Cup. Let's be grateful that Lambert will be able to devote the remainder of his career to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2013 Share Posted 18 May, 2013 This unimaginative, unexciting squad will struggle at the World Cup. Let's be grateful that Lambert will be able to devote the remainder of his career to Saints. don't they need to qualify first ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I see Rodwell has been called up now , Hodgson becomes more and more of a joke with every selection Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I see Rodwell has been called up now , Hodgson becomes more and more of a joke with every selection Imo Saw that and I'd like to say I was surprised but I wasn't. Another bullsh1t mdifelder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 This. I've not been excited about an England match since 1998, and barely watched one, and it's mostly because of sh1te like this that show up how feckin WEAK England managers are. We'll never win anything with a yes man in charge. I have taped footage somewhere of an interview with Hoddle as Chelsea manager saying if he was England manager, Matt's name would be first on the team sheet. Every time I think back to it, I feel like ripping someone's head off. One day it'll give me an aneurism! Careful there......Hoddle posts on here:rolleyes: Believe he is a Dalek:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) I have never cared less about the England football team than I do right now. Edited 20 May, 2013 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I see Rodwell has been called up now , Hodgson becomes more and more of a joke with every selection Imo I hadn't seen that. Christ what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I see Rodwell has been called up now , Hodgson becomes more and more of a joke with every selection Imo Yea, I know it's unfashionable around these parts to suggest that our players are good enough for England but what chance do the likes of Cork have when the current regime deem that Rodwell is a better option than him? The only justififaction based on this season alone is that he plays for Man City and cost a bit of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Yea, I know it's unfashionable around these parts to suggest that our players are good enough for England but what chance do the likes of Cork have when the current regime deem that Rodwell is a better option than him? The only justififaction based on this season alone is that he plays for Man City and cost a bit of money Its a daft call-up at this stage, but Rodwell is the epitome of the way the England youth system should work. He played for every England setup from under 16s, over 20 caps at U21 level, and when not injured is a decent performer on the Premier League stage. To be called up now though makes all that seem immaterial and lets face it, he is only in there right now because he cost £12M and went to Man City, there's no way he's been picked on form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I see Rodwell has been called up now , Hodgson becomes more and more of a joke with every selection Imo Don't forget, he scored 2 goals whilst playing for a big club. That automatically puts him at the top of the list. Big club, scoring goals, shoe in. Even if they've only played 2 games and are pretty ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 This is a joke. I am seriously getting turned off by England every game If not cork. Why not Ashley Westwood. Been excellent for villa in last few months. Just a joke Hodgson is an utter clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 The best English striker by a country mile at the moment is Walcott. Pleased he's been picked as a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Noble has been better than Rodwell this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 cork,westwood,henderson have all had much better seasons than rodwell. he's been injured for half the season ffs its a friendly anyway, why persist with the same tried and tested names, give games to players on the fringes with something to prove. why not give games for a few of the u21s or uncapped players, honestly can't see a reason why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 cork,westwood,henderson have all had much better seasons than rodwell. he's been injured for half the season ffs its a friendly anyway, why persist with the same tried and tested names, give games to players on the fringes with something to prove. why not give games for a few of the u21s or uncapped players, honestly can't see a reason why not They have the Euro Championships to compete in. This end of season tour is a waste of time anyway; much rather our players got a full summer off and return to pre-season bright and fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 The Rodwell decision sums up why I haven't given a sh*t about England for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Dont get me wrong, I like Rodwell, think he will be a v good player and would definately like to see him in a Saints shirt if he ever gets bored of warming the City bench. But He has played next to no football this year, what exactly cork has to do to get somewhere near England is beyond me. If England are to play the way they do then you need two holding midfielders, Carrick will be one, surely Cork is made for the other slot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Welbeck wouldn't play for United unless he was a good player. I don't personally get what's so good about him, but you don't play for them unless you're a good player. If he was as bad as people make out, he'd be on the scrapheap with the likes of Bebé and co. Massimo Taibi. Juan Veron. Bartez (who was terrible before anyone says otherwise). Jordi Cruyff. Djemba-Djemba. Bellion. Playing for Man Yoo does not make you exempt from being a **** player. In fact Ferguson has made a few clangers though over 25 years I suppose he can be forgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 hodgson like vegatables and glenda are a waste of space. Le tiss, previously and now SRL I look forward to england losing every match and have done so since MLT was not selected for the world cup. Trouble is I tend to get behind scotland and they are dire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Massimo Taibi. Juan Veron. Bartez (who was terrible before anyone says otherwise). Jordi Cruyff. Djemba-Djemba. Bellion. Playing for Man Yoo does not make you exempt from being a **** player. In fact Ferguson has made a few clangers though over 25 years I suppose he can be forgiven Are you saying Veron was a poor player? Lol. He may have not lived up to his price tag at Utd, but he was a brilliant player over his career. On the subject of Wellbeck, to start games for Utd in the CL against teams like Real, and score - you have to have something about you. Consistency is what he needs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 15 August, 2013 Share Posted 15 August, 2013 they're a certain type of player and, you know, I think with the best will in the world they wouldn't compare themselves to players like Sturridge, Welbeck and Defoe, they're different types. They might compare themselves to Andy Carroll who has been with us, but we're aware of what we're trying to create as a team and much as I think they're good players and have done a fantastic job for their clubs, there's certainly no truth that they're being dismissed in any way because they've not played at top Premiership level all the time. Been trying to dig up these comments ever since Lambert got called up... has Hodgson changed his mind then, or did he just pick Lambert in the hope that the media would stop banging on about including him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 August, 2013 Share Posted 15 August, 2013 I think the fact that MLT got 8 England caps and Emile Heskey got 62 England caps tells you all you need to know about England's selection policy. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 August, 2013 Share Posted 15 August, 2013 Been trying to dig up these comments ever since Lambert got called up... has Hodgson changed his mind then, or did he just pick Lambert in the hope that the media would stop banging on about including him? He picked him because Carroll and sturridge were injured. I dont think he made a mockery of himself either, I didnt think it would work for us but he certainly looked ok amoungst the other players, probably worth a punt dependant on options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 15 August, 2013 Share Posted 15 August, 2013 Hodgson was backed into a corner. Desperately short of strikers, he knew that if he didn't take someone else as cover and we failed to win he'd have been slaughtered in the press. His only option was to call upon one of the player's he has so far overlooked. Lambert was probably the strongest of the previously non-selected contenders. Roy probably wasn't consciously hoping that Lambert would fail - in fact I'm sure he was delighted that he scored and spared him a press grilling. What happens next though will be far tougher. Lambert isn't in Hodgson's preferred 5 forwards. Roy's instinct will be to exclude him again, but he will now be well aware that if he does so, and loses (or draws) a game, he will be attacked on all of the back pages. If he stays fit, and depending upon how other forwards fair this season, Lambert probably has at least a 30% chance of receiving a ticket to Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 August, 2013 Share Posted 15 August, 2013 I don't think it was difficult at all for Hodgson, picking the highest-scoring English striker from last season. And I don't think it will be too difficult going forward either, he will pick whichever out of Lambert or Carroll is performing best at club level. It will only become difficult if they are equally good or bad, and not injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 15 August, 2013 Share Posted 15 August, 2013 I don't think it was difficult at all for Hodgson, picking the highest-scoring English striker from last season. And I don't think it will be too difficult going forward either, he will pick whichever out of Lambert or Carroll is performing best at club level. It will only become difficult if they are equally good or bad, and not injured. Agree. However, I think Roy wants to pick the younger of the two. England are always rallying to the future, and never thinking about the present. I think that, barring injury, Lambert will have to virtually double Carroll's goal tally next season to stand a fair shot at selection next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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