Team next year if we stay up?

[Barry Sanchez]

Put down your 1st team but with ? or new players in where the current one should be now. If you are replacing the player sell the one playing now and put down how much you think we could get for him to add to our transfer fund for new players or drop them to the bench.

 

 

1) Boruc

2) Clyne

3) Shaw

4) Schneiderlin

5) ? - Hooiveld £1Million

6) ? - Fonte £1Million

7) ? - Lambert drops to the bench and plays cup games, this does not mean he can not regain his 1st team spot.

8 ) Cork

9) Rodriguez

10) ? - Ramirez £8-10Million

11) Lallana

 

So we are 4 players off in my opinion having a good competitive 1st XI but we then need a strong bench and squad.

 

Good squad players

Davis

Davis

Puncheon

Yoshida (as a utility player)

Forren ? I dont know

 

Lots to do and buy, how much money will we get to spend if we are going to challenge for Europe?

Edited 11 May, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[Saint Garrett]

Starters....

 

Boruc, Clyne Shaw Yoshi, Cork Morgan, Gaston J-Rod

 

Rest squad players. Deadwood out.

[SaintDan]

I can't believe you're writing Lambert off for another season of premier league football. Berbatov is a year older and still cutting it way above everyone else. I'm not saying Rickie is quite up to his standard but he continues to improve every season and every game this season that he has been captain he's lead the team with more presence and voice than Lallana.

 

Centre back(s) speedy winger are essential and then competition for wing backs, central mid and forward please!

[NickG]

 

 

1) Boruc agree

2) Clyne agree

3) Shaw agree

4) Schneiderlin agree

5) Yoshida

6) New/ Forren guess is a top CB in with Yoshida/Forren as first 3, one of Fonte/JH as 4th in squad

7) Lambert think still 1st choice with Jay R as future main CF.

8 ) New CM - Cork starting on bench

9) Rodriguez

10) Ramirez

11) Lallana

 

 

 

 

My guess is CB, CM and winger key signings.

 

Think the key thing which I find hard is how much the young players can/will improve as they mature and with experience.

 

I've just looked at the Everton squad. Their players are older and many positions I would prefer ours.

 

Our first team are good quality but do lack options when players off form.

 

Assuming we stick we 4-2-3-1...

 

How could we have improved this season?

 

The few poor games RL has had we have really struggled. Is Jay R seen as CF or part of three? Can Mayuka be answer? If not we do need at least on CF.

 

Our AM/ wide mid have been inconsistent - Lallana/Puncheon/Ramirez. (Mayuka??!!). Think we could do with new signing. However, Lallana and Ramirez could be excellent.

 

Think Morgan would be regular for virtually any side - our midfield should be built around him. Cork / Davis have been good and personally happy to keep them. However I can see new 1st choice.

 

CB - think most agree top signing to replace Fonte/ Hoovielt is quickest way to improve us. Forren is strange one, but guess New/Yoshida first choice.

[Raging Bull]

Why are you both dropping our best striker?

[Barry Sanchez]

Why are you both dropping our best striker?

 

He is the only striker we have and we need another option, he will be one year older and Rickie as good as he is will only maintain or decline, he wont actually improve the team, thats not to say he does not have a huge part to play in the next few seasons, we need to improve and strengthen in nearly every deptartment if we are to get a Eurpopean place and not to mention spend millions to assure it.

[Batman]

He is the only striker we have and we need another option, he will be one year older and Rickie as good as he is will only maintain or decline, he wont actually improve the team, thats not to say he does not have a huge part to play in the next few seasons, we need to improve and strengthen in nearly every deptartment if we are to get a Eurpopean place and not to mention spend millions to assure it.

 

keep casting you net

[Saint Garrett]

I would keep Rickie, and think he's still got a bit part to play, but in Cortese's European dream is going to be realised, then we need a more mobile striker to play on CB's shoulders with a bit of pace.

 

Should also get the best out of Gaston.

[NickG]

Starters....

 

Boruc, Clyne Shaw Yoshi, Cork Morgan, Gaston J-Rod

 

Rest squad players. Deadwood out.

 

Outfield ages Clyne 22, Shaw 17, Yoshida 24, Cork 22, Morgan 23, Gaston 22, J-Rod 23.

 

Young!

 

That's forgetting your deadwood of -

 

Lallana 25, Mayuka 22, Forren 25, JWP 18

 

Our under 25 side

 

Gazza

Clyne

Forren

Yoshida

Shaw

Cork

Morgan

Ramirez

Lallana

JRod

Mayuka

 

 

Wonder how good they will all be at 28?!

[Barry Sanchez]

keep casting you net

 

? Are you on the grog after celebrating another night of keeping Shirley high street trouble free?

 

http://brojsimpson.com/tag/fat-batman-and-robin/

[The Kraken]

Two new CBs. 1 wide player with skill and pace. 1 striker in the junior Drogba mould.

 

Not too much to ask then......we won't get all that, but that's the minimum I think we need to challenge the euro spots, which seems to be the club's ambition. If Forren gets fit or whatever and can prove to be a left footed Ivanovic then all the better, but I very much doubt it from what I've seen so far.

[Batman]

? Are you on the grog after celebrating another night of keeping Shirley high street trouble free?

 

http://brojsimpson.com/tag/fat-batman-and-robin/

 

what you want is another thread to demonstrate how you feel we are rubbish etc

[Cabrone]

At least 1 quality CH + a midfield general + a pacy winger and goal scoring CF.

 

I also think that Ricky needs to be used more sparingly next season, he's not getting any younger and we need to start blooding in new players. Switch him more to an impact sub?

 

GK is fine.

 

Hopefully Forren will cut the mustard but who knows. New CH + Forren\Fonte.

 

FBs are covered, Shaw and Clyne are quality and Cork\Fox are adequate backup.

 

Midfield is pretty good but I'd like a real general in there barking orders, taking the captaincy and linking defence to attack.

 

Need more pace up front to be able to accept through balls. Someone of the calibre of Loic Remy/Lukaku/Benteke + winger.

[Barry Sanchez]

what you want is another thread to demonstrate how you feel we are rubbish etc

 

Mr Nigel Bat, you dont have to come onto my thread and tell me something thats not true, you normally come onto correct my poor grammar such is the variety of crime fighting these days.........................

[Joensuu]

1 quality CB and keeping the key players. That'll keep me happy.

 

If we have anything left in the kitty, a Rickie understudy would be superb; but I think I'd rather we got a decent older left back whose happy rotating with Shaw. Doubt it would happen, but Bridge would be perfect in this role, and playing for us again might give him another new lease of career.

[Faz]

Which of our young players could make the step up?

 

JWP - another year older and with the experience of this season behind him

Targett - allows Fox to go (please)

Gape

Turnbull

Stephens

Seager

Gallagher

Chambers

[Rebel]

Which of our young players could make the step up?

 

JWP - another year older and with the experience of this season behind him

Targett - allows Fox to go (please)

Gape

Turnbull

Stephens

Seager

Gallagher

Chambers

 

Isgrove?

Reeves?

Sinclair?

[shirleysfc]

Ramirez, Guly and Fox HAVE to be the first names on the team sheet!!

[Batman]

Mr Nigel Bat, you dont have to come onto my thread and tell me something thats not true, you normally come onto correct my poor grammar such is the variety of crime fighting these days.........................

 

what the hell are you on about with correcting grammar?

[Professor]

Two new CBs. 1 wide player with skill and pace. 1 striker in the junior Drogba mould.

 

Not too much to ask then......we won't get all that, but that's the minimum I think we need to challenge the euro spots, which seems to be the club's ambition. If Forren gets fit or whatever and can prove to be a left footed Ivanovic then all the better, but I very much doubt it from what I've seen so far.

 

Mon ami Le Kraken. Je suis d'accord, mais dirais que Cork vaut endroit en tant que joueur d'équipe, pas comme un premier choix.

[Rebel]

You need a excellent first 11 and a good second 11 if you are going to win anything. Our problem is we haven't really got ant strength in depth beyond the first 11.

 

I think there are some bargains to be found in the Championship - young players who can step up like a number of ours have done this season.

 

Also you don't really want to be signing players over the age of 26/27 as they normally demand big wages and their resale value starts to drop.

 

I fully expect Ramirez will be heading back to Italy for £12 million and wouldn't be surprised if we get a bit of a shock in the summer when players like Puncheon are moved on.

 

I'm also expecting us to play 4-3-3

 

Boruc / Fraser Forster

 

Clyne / Kieran Trippier?

Yoshida /Andreu Fontas?

Forren / Davide Astori?

Shaw / Martin Olsson?

 

Morgan / Kerim Bayal?

Cork / Lucas Biglia / Ward-Prowse

Lallana / Keisuke Honda? / Davis

 

Scott Sinclair / Jose Callejon

Rickie Lambert / Charlie Austin

Jay Rodriguez / Adrian Lopez

 

And I think at some point in the last 2 years we've been linked with all of these players even if its just been on a rumours site in the last few weeks

 

Left back and right back are tricky as we need players who will be happy to compete with Shaw and Clyne - so my guess is we'll end up with players who are more than happy to take the chance to step up from the Championship

[Barry Sanchez]

what the hell are you on about with correcting grammar?

 

You were contrubiting to a thread the other day that concerned my terrible grammar, you did not state that my grammar was poor but simpyl said I liked chickens the wrong way and was not attracted to Gary Ramirez.

[Barry Sanchez]

You need a excellent first 11 and a good second 11 if you are going to win anything. Our problem is we haven't really got ant strength in depth beyond the first 11.

 

I think there are some bargains to be found in the Championship - young players who can step up like a number of ours have done this season.

 

Also you don't really want to be signing players over the age of 26/27 as they normally demand big wages and their resale value starts to drop.

 

I fully expect Ramirez will be heading back to Italy for £12 million and wouldn't be surprised if we get a bit of a shock in the summer when players like Puncheon are moved on.

 

I'm also expecting us to play 4-3-3

 

Boruc / Fraser Forster

 

Clyne / Kieran Trippier?

Yoshida /Andreu Fontas?

Forren / Davide Astori?

Shaw / Martin Olsson?

 

Morgan / Kerim Bayal?

Cork / Lucas Biglia / Ward-Prowse

Lallana / Keisuke Honda? / Davis

 

Scott Sinclair / Jose Callejon

Rickie Lambert / Charlie Austin

Jay Rodriguez / Adrian Lopez

 

And I think at some point in the last 2 years we've been linked with all of these players even if its just been on a rumours site in the last few weeks

 

Left back and right back are tricky as we need players who will be happy to compete with Shaw and Clyne - so my guess is we'll end up with players who are more than happy to take the chance to step up from the Championship

 

Some good names there, but how much would that cost with wages? That would certainly propel us up the League.

[Batman]

You were contrubiting to a thread the other day that concerned my terrible grammar, you did not state that my grammar was poor but simpyl said I liked chickens the wrong way and was not attracted to Gary Ramirez.

 

what?

[Barry Sanchez]

what?

 

I take that as an apology, just stick to the mean streets of Bassett and Nursling fighting crime.

[The Kraken]

Mon ami Le Kraken. Je suis d'accord, mais dirais que Cork vaut endroit en tant que joueur d'équipe, pas comme un premier choix.

 

Je suis en désaccord. J'aime beaucoup Jack Cork, et avec Morgan Schneiderlin ils sont les premiers noms sur la feuille de match, pour moi.

[Batman]

I take that as an apology, just stick to the mean streets of Bassett and Nursling fighting crime.

 

mate, I have no idea what so ever what the hell you are on about.

[Wiggles31]

mate, I have no idea what so ever what the hell you are on about.

 

Not many do.

[shurlock]

Two new CBs. 1 wide player with skill and pace. 1 striker in the junior Drogba mould.

 

Not too much to ask then......we won't get all that, but that's the minimum I think we need to challenge the euro spots, which seems to be the club's ambition. If Forren gets fit or whatever and can prove to be a left footed Ivanovic then all the better, but I very much doubt it from what I've seen so far.

 

Agree. Perhaps would take an all purpose fullback instead of a second CB. And another box-to-box, ballwinning CM just because our system relies so heavily on this mould of player

Neville said something interesting the other night, namely, that English sides, in recent years, have suffered from a dearth of CMs who are equally comfortable attacking as defending. You're either a Mata or a Lucas. Hyperspecialisation is the trend. The Germans sides are so good because their CMs have the energy and versatility to combine both roles.

[Roger]

I think Lallana should be a squad player next season. For me he's not good enough for premier league. Not quick enough and not enough end product.

[Wiggles31]

Surely he's proven he is beyond any doubt. May not be good enough to be one of the top players, but he's clearly a premier league footballer. Why should a dip in form mean writing him off? He's 25 and shown more talent each season at higher levels.

 

This, he is still developing. How people can write him off is beyond me. Players lose form all the time and come back/learn from it.

[Colinjb]

Hmmmmm, ok:

 

---------------- Lambert/Jay --------------

 

New/Lallana -------------------------- New

 

---------- Morgan ------- Cork/New -------

 

------------------ New -------------------

 

Shaw ------ New -------- Yoshida --- Clyne

 

 

------------------ Boruc ------------------

[Wiggles31]

Hmmmmm, ok:

 

---------------- Lambert/Jay --------------

 

New/Lallana -------------------------- New

 

---------- Morgan ------- Cork/New -------

 

------------------ New -------------------

 

Shaw ------ New -------- Yoshida --- Clyne

 

 

------------------ Boruc ------------------

 

Swap one of the CM's for a versatile full back and another forward ala Lukaku type

[Andre]

I think our main starting lineup will be something along the lines of the following...

 

Boruc

Clyne - Yoshida - NEW/Forren - Shaw

Schneiderlin - Cork

NEW - Ramírez - NEW/Lallana

Rodriguez

 

Normal subs I guess would be Gazzaniga, Fonte, Forren/NEW, Davis, Lallana/NEW, Lambert, Mayuka? There's gonna be a lot of healthy competition I feel.

[DuncanRG]

We just need to buy two incredible CB's and a goal machine, plus maybe someone who can take a decent corner.

 

Is that all?

[timayes]

Is that all?

 

We have Fox.

[saintbob40]

Morgan played without Cork at the start of the season and that didn't go to we'll did it now? Surprised posters would want to break up the most promising CM partnership in the division/ Europe (?).

[SaintBobby]

I'm actually happy with our present CMs - Cork and Morgan are a great partnership. Steve Davis is pretty good too and I'd hope JW-P will improve with each passing year. I'm not against adding a squad player or two here, but I don't think we need to seriously splash the cash on a new centre midfield.

[Roger]

Surely he's proven he is beyond any doubt. May not be good enough to be one of the top players, but he's clearly a premier league footballer. Why should a dip in form rmean writing him off? He's 25 and shown more talent each season at higher levels.

 

No he hasn't. When did he prove it? 3 goals this season is very poor. I don't think he's been on form for a long time.

[Lighthouse]

My personal starting XI

 

Boruc

 

Clyne - Yoshi - Forren - Shaw

 

Cork - Morgan

 

????? - Gaston - ?????

 

JRod

 

Bench:

K. Davis

Fonte

S. Davis/JWP

Lallana/Puncheon

Lambert

 

+ another offensive and one defensive new signing

 

I'm not entirely convinced Lambert is the future. He's done a decent job at every level but I can't help but fear Premier League defenders will have him figured out next season. QPR and West Brom have already got it nailed on. Stick a big CB on him and don't let him give him any time on the ball. I'm not entirely sure either way. Half of me thinks you can't drop lambert, he is the top English goal scorer FFS. The other half isn't convince he will take us into Europe. He would be a great option to have on the bench obviously. He Lallana and Puncheon can all come on and change the game.

[The Kraken]

^^ Is that not a bit of an enormous gamble playing Forren? 4-5 months after signing and he's no higher than our 4th choice centre back

[Lighthouse]

^^ Is that not a bit of an enormous gamble playing Forren? 4-5 months after signing and he's no higher than our 4th choice centre back

 

That's based on faith in our management and b*gger all else really. I'm assuming he is better than Jos and Fonte otherwise we wouldn't have bothered signing him. Obviously if we signed someone else like Astori he would walk into the centre of our defence (hopefully he would move a bit quicker when he gets there).

[The Kraken]

That's based on faith in our management and b*gger all else really. I'm assuming he is better than Jos and Fonte otherwise we wouldn't have bothered signing him. Obviously if we signed someone else like Astori he would walk into the centre of our defence (hopefully he would move a bit quicker when he gets there).

 

Fair enough. I just feel the longer he goes without getting a game the worrying a sign it is. He's not a youth player coming through, he's a 25 year old full international. I've only seen in him in the U21 game at St. Mary's, and I guess 99% of the fanbase have about as much to go on as I do as to his quality; but he didn't show too much then to suggest that he's got a lot more than our current CB options, apart from maybe some decent distribution. And defensively he looked suspect, which was worrying.

 

Still, maybe a pre-season could do wonders. My concern is that he's "only" 6 foot 1; i think we need to be replacing Hooiveld with a similar sized player (but better, clearly).

[DuncanRG]

They said all along he was signed with the long term in mind, I'm not surprised he hasn't played. I'd only worry if he doesn't get into the team next season

[The Kraken]

They said all along he was signed with the long term in mind, I'm not surprised he hasn't played. I'd only worry if he doesn't get into the team next season

 

Which IMO would be fair enough if he were a youngster just breaking through. He isn't. He's 25. He plays for his country, who aren't exactly a backwater in international football.

 

I'm intrigued as to what's going to happen over the summer for him to suddenly become our indispensible first choice stopper. It's one thing in recent weeks that he couldn't get in the side; its another entirely that sometimes he can't get on the bench, and when he did it was Fonte who came on instad of him.

[Lighthouse]

Which IMO would be fair enough if he were a youngster just breaking through. He isn't. He's 25. He plays for his country, who aren't exactly a backwater in international football.

 

I'm intrigued as to what's going to happen over the summer for him to suddenly become our indispensible first choice stopper. It's one thing in recent weeks that he couldn't get in the side; its another entirely that sometimes he can't get on the bench, and when he did it was Fonte who came on instad of him.

 

Truth be told, our defence has been decent since we signed Forren anyway. Aside from Bale's wonder goal we haven't conceded in 4 away games. That kind of form is virtually unheard of in the bottom half. We've had the odd shocker like West Brom and Newcastle but even the latter was down to an offside wonder-goal and Fox self destructing. We conceded 1 goal against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City and 2 at Old Trafford and 0 against Everton.

 

All of which points towards a decent enough defence. There is no need to throw Forren in yet if we don't have to.

[JoeShmoe]

I think we will sign at least 3 defenders, 2 are close anyway according to Poch (Ruiz and the Malaga RB?), another CM/DM and hopefully a quality striker to share the load with Rickie (Cajellon?)

 

There's a reason the squad we have has 39 points, they aren't good enough to be a mid table prem side

[The Kraken]

Truth be told, our defence has been decent since we signed Forren anyway. Aside from Bale's wonder goal we haven't conceded in 4 away games. That kind of form is virtually unheard of in the bottom half. We've had the odd shocker like West Brom and Newcastle but even the latter was down to an offside wonder-goal and Fox self destructing. We conceded 1 goal against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City and 2 at Old Trafford and 0 against Everton.

 

All of which points towards a decent enough defence. There is no need to throw Forren in yet if we don't have to.

 

I think we've got a central defence good enough for a Premier League survival team. Its certainly playing a lot better than at the start of the season. I don't see it as a top ten central defence, or to qualify that, good enough for a European spot chasing team. Hooiveld is prone to mistakes, Yoshida can be a bit hit and miss. Granted they've had some good games of late but on a consistency level it doesn't do it for me, its an area I'd definitely like to see improved. If Forren does that, great. If not I'd want to see someone else; a real leader at the back.

[Turkish]

Which IMO would be fair enough if he were a youngster just breaking through. He isn't. He's 25. He plays for his country, who aren't exactly a backwater in international football.

 

I'm intrigued as to what's going to happen over the summer for him to suddenly become our indispensible first choice stopper. It's one thing in recent weeks that he couldn't get in the side; its another entirely that sometimes he can't get on the bench, and when he did it was Fonte who came on instad of him.

 

Clueless Nixon said during the week on twitter we will make a decision on him in the summer.

[BlakeySFC]

Put down your 1st team but with ? or new players in where the current one should be now. If you are replacing the player sell the one playing now and put down how much you think we could get for him to add to our transfer fund for new players or drop them to the bench.

 

 

1) Boruc

2) Clyne

3) Shaw

4) Schneiderlin

5) ? - Hooiveld £1Million

6) ? - Fonte £1Million

7) ? - Lambert drops to the bench and plays cup games, this does not mean he can not regain his 1st team spot.

8 ) Cork

9) Rodriguez

10) ? - Ramirez £8-10Million

11) Lallana

 

So we are 4 players off in my opinion having a good competitive 1st XI but we then need a strong bench and squad.

 

Good squad players

Davis

Davis

Puncheon

Yoshida (as a utility player)

Forren ? I dont know

 

Lots to do and buy, how much money will we get to spend if we are going to challenge for Europe?

 

Agree 100%.

 

If by some miracle we manage to stay up we've got to clear out alot of the deadwood.