positivepete Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Full story http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/07/tottenham-andre-villas-boas-chelsea
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 And who is Andre Village Bogus to comment on what team we have? what has he achieved in the game? His record is poor, failure at Chelsea and now struggling its Tottenham despite having the best player in the league and an excellent squad already there. Disgusting comments from an arrogant, overrated manager whose methods are not suited to the English game.
pangy Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Always had time for AVB,comes across as one of the good guys.
Charlie Wayman Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Subtext: "But despite their (Saints) brilliant football, my Spurs were even better than that and won... what a really great manager I am!" Oh come on, what do you take us for?
Minsk Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 I have a lot of time for AVB. He always comes across well in interviews, etc. I will certainly be cheering for Spuds tonight.
Noodles34 Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 easy to say when you have scraped a vital one - nil win. Dont recall Mancini, Benitez or Rogers taking like that about us, in fact Fergie did though, ah, yeah, after he had scraped a 2-1 win. blah,blah,blah.
Saint Charlie Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 We have a style, identity etc which MP has enhanced. Good times next season with the right 3 or 4 additions.
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 To be fair the way we play is pretty similar to Spurs if you watch them, they've just got better players. And although its easy for him to say that when they won, he still doesn't need to say it at all. I do quite like AVB though, think he got a hard time of it at Chelsea.
LaptopSaint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Anyone see David Moyes on MOTD a few weeks ago? Quietly singing Saints' praises and saying explicitly that MP has improved the team and style of play. He's no bvll****ter.
LaptopSaint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 I can't believe I changed the u to a v in bull but forgot to change the word sh1t. Never mind.
Bucks Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 What he did not say: "Going to bid for at least 6 of their players in July, so need to set up the groundwork for our fans before our mega £150m bid package"
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Yeah we've got tons of style compared to that terrible Chelsea team with Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Lampard, Luiz etc.
shurlock Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 easy to say when you have scraped a vital one - nil win. Dont recall Mancini, Benitez or Rogers taking like that about us, in fact Fergie did though, ah, yeah, after he had scraped a 2-1 win. blah,blah,blah. Yeh but this is slightly different. It's not right after the game - he wasnt asked about us. it's said in a totally different context - could have mentioned any team to support his argument.
Wiggles31 Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Our disordered lot can't even accept praise. They'd win the lottery and moan about the size of the cheque. Nice comments, using us as his example of a team playing attractive football.
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 To be fair the way we play is pretty similar to Spurs if you watch them In what way?
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 In what way? Play from the back, centre backs split, midfielder drops deep to collect the ball, full backs push up, wingers cut in, can mix it up and hit the big man if necessary....
St_Tel49 Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Yeah we've got tons of style compared to that terrible Chelsea team with Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Lampard, Luiz etc. We beat them didn't we?
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Play from the back, centre backs split, midfielder drops deep to collect the ball, full backs push up, wingers cut in, can mix it up and hit the big man if necessary.... Guess so, but a fair few differences as well. Still a weird quote anyway, regardless of whether Pochettino is doing a good job or not, he can't be described as "building a team" yet.
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 We beat them didn't we? We did, but that's not what he's tlking about. Spurs beat us twice, yet AVB says we've got "style". It's just a dig at Chelsea. Should be a cracking game tonight though.
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Guess so, but a fair few differences as well. Still a weird quote anyway, regardless of whether Pochettino is doing a good job or not, he can't be described as "building a team" yet. I think the comment was made because obviously we were the last team to play against them, and he would have been impressed with us - especially players like Clyne and Shaw who were very impressive on Saturday. Wouldn't be surprised if we see a bid from Spurs for Shaw this summer.
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Play from the back, centre backs split, midfielder drops deep to collect the ball, full backs push up, wingers cut in, can mix it up and hit the big man if necessary.... Winger cutting in? Are you sure that's not because we don't have any actual wingers who can beat a man out wide? Lennon and Bale can do both. Spuds (PMSL) play with far, far more pace than we do.
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Bale is not a winger though?? He plays more centrally now but up until this season he'd been playing wide left, more than capable of beating a man with pace either inside or outside. Point being Our wingers don't cut in because that's our style its because they can't beat a man wide.
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Bale is not a winger though?? AVB has already said he wants to put Bale back out on the wing but right now he is playing a free role due to necessity. Still, I thought AVB was a terrible manager ? Huge failure who would never mske it in the English game ? So what does he know ?
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 (edited) Winger cutting in? Are you sure that's not because we don't have any actual wingers who can beat a man out wide? Lennon and Bale can do both. Spuds (PMSL) play with far, far more pace than we do. He plays more centrally now but up until this season he'd been playing wide left, more than capable of beating a man with pace either inside or outside. Point being Our wingers don't cut in because that's our style its because they can't beat a man wide. Rodriguez is very quick and often uses his pace to beat a player out wide, as does Mayuka when he plays. We also have two very quick fullbacks in Clyne and Shaw who play in very advanced roles. I wouldn't actually say Lallana or especially Puncheon are "slow" either. Edited 8 May, 2013 by Matthew Le God
shurlock Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 (edited) Winger cutting in? Are you sure that's not because we don't have any actual wingers who can beat a man out wide? Lennon and Bale can do both. Spuds (PMSL) play with far, far more pace than we do. True - they have much more pace in the team than we do -and not only on the wings (cutting inside whatever). But that will change over the summer. Edited 8 May, 2013 by shurlock
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Winger cutting in? Are you sure that's not because we don't have any actual wingers who can beat a man out wide? Lennon and Bale can do both. Spuds (PMSL) play with far, far more pace than we do. I think it's odd when people talk about our 'wingers', as I don't really see us as playing with any. The '3' all play pretty centrally, occasionally drifting wide, as opposed to starting wide and cutting in. The closest thing to us having wingers, is the FBs acting like Wing-Backs at times, with Cork/Morgan dropping deeper to create 3 defenders. I think this is why it is so noticable when Shaw is missing. Anyway, back to your point. I agree, though I think it's not necessarily they play with more pace, they just have more pacey players. As a unit, Lennon/Bale/Defoe/Adebayor/Gylfi are probably quicker than Lallana/Gaston/Davis/Jrod/Lambert - Punch is a bit quicker, but hardly has 'lightning' pace, and has played much of late.
shurlock Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Rodriguez is very quick and often uses his pace to beat a player out wide, as does Mayuka when he plays. We also have two very quick fullbacks in Clyne and Shaw who play in very advanced roles. They have much more pace in their team. As does Mayuka ...when he plays Your prize: a fistful of straws
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Rodriguez is very quick and often uses his pace to beat a player out wide, as does Mayuka when he plays. We also have two very quick fullbacks in Clyne and Shaw who play in very advanced roles. As a man that supposedly rates our players etc for a v popular footballing simulation I do often worry (and change some of the attributes I find incorrect) How can you say that JRod and Mayuka are wingers ? Unless your trying to support some arguement that isnt there ?
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 As a man that supposedly rates our players etc for a v popular footballing simulation I do often worry (and change some of the attributes I find incorrect) How can you say that JRod and Mayuka are wingers ? Unless your trying to support some arguement that isnt there ? When did I say they were? Turkish said... "Spuds play with far, far more pace than we do." I then listed some very quick Saints players.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 errrm, he was talking about wingers not being able to take players on the outside as they don't have the pace to.... you quoted him.
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 When did I say they were? Turkish said... "Spuds play with far, far more pace than we do." I then listed some very quick Saints players. Massive fail Mr Wrong, as usual.
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 errrm, he was talking about wingers not being able to take players on the outside as they don't have the pace to.... you quoted him. Massive fail Mr Wrong, as usual. And do Rodriguez and Mayuka not play in wide areas for Saints and take on players on the outside for pace? I think you will find they do. As do Clyne and Shaw in wide areas, the modern fullback is very attacking especially in Pochettino's system. Puncheon isn't exactly "slow" either.
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 And do Rodriguez and Mayuka not play in wide areas for Saints and take on players on the outside for pace? I think you will find they do. As do Clyne and Shaw in wide areas, the modern fullback is very attacking especially in Pochettino's system. Puncheon isn't exactly "slow" either. Keep clutching mr wrong.
shurlock Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 When did I say they were? Turkish said... "Spuds play with far, far more pace than we do." I then listed some very quick Saints players Johno quick and De Ridder are still on the books.
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Keep clutching mr wrong. Hardly, clutching at straws. What I've said is correct.
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 But since AVB has taken over, his system has been quite similar to ours. Bale plays out right and cuts in quite a lot, (a bit like Puncheon but 10000000 times better at it). Lallana is similar to Holtby/Sigardssun when they play out on the left. Anyway I never said we were like for like, I just said it's a similar system, which it is. Obviously they have better players and a lot more pace than us, and can go outside as well as go inside.
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 How often does Mayuka play? Not a lot. But at the moment he is one of our main attacking options off the bench.
hypochondriac Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Not a lot. But at the moment he is one of our main attacking options off the bench. So the majority of the time Spurs have far more pace than us which was the main point I believe.
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Hardly, clutching at straws. What I've said is correct. So you think we play with the same pace and width as Spurs?
Tokyo-Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 Rodriguez is pretty fast and does take people on but he usually drives through the middle. Mayuka plays on the bench and I am yet to see him do anything worth your constant w@nk fest over. The other two do but they are full backs and we are talking about wingers. So by the way are you now saying you were talking about wingers or sticking with your "when did I say that line"? You're like a journalist, you can cut and paste and twist your words.
shurlock Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 But since AVB has taken over, his system has been quite similar to ours. Bale plays out right and cuts in quite a lot, (a bit like Puncheon but 10000000 times better at it). Lallana is similar to Holtby/Sigardssun when they play out on the left. Anyway I never said we were like for like, I just said it's a similar system, which it is. Obviously they have better players and a lot more pace than us, and can go outside as well as go inside. They don't press the way we do -and in the eyes of the footballing world, that's our standout trait.
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 So you think we play with the same pace and width as Spurs? I didn't say it was the same, just pointing out that to say they "play with far, far more pace than we do" is an exaggeration.
hypochondriac Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 I didn't say it was the same, just pointing out that to say they "play with far, far more pace than we do" is an exaggeration. No it isn't. You can't say that with any certainty at any rate.
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Posted 8 May, 2013 No it isn't. You can't say that with any certainty at any rate. Can you say the opposite with any certainty?
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