UpweySaint Posted 9 May, 2013 Share Posted 9 May, 2013 So in January we buy a player for the following season not knowing what league we will be in and neither will he? Coutinho seems to of progressed well at Liverpool? I think you know there was an assumption we'd stay up, besides worse came to worse we'd have a norway international cb playing in the championship, sure he could have done the job I know you'r on a wind up a touch but you acknowledge we did try and get coutinho? Just because we couldn't beat liverpool to a signing surely it shows that we at least knew he was the sort of player we liked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 May, 2013 Share Posted 9 May, 2013 So in January we buy a player for the following season not knowing what league we will be in and neither will he? Coutinho seems to of progressed well at Liverpool? Please Barry, if you want to be taken seriously you have to realise the difference between 'of' and 'have'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 May, 2013 Share Posted 9 May, 2013 If only football was a one-man-game and you dont need to have players around you in the team.... Play with the thought of playing Gaston with Sturridge and Suarez......I can see a few goals and a lot of assists..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 He's a good player that I feel will come good and, besides, it is his first season moving from the Italian (zzzz) league. Anyone who is writing him off and saying he's no good and he has his chance is moronic. Give them time, he has shown touches of class and clearly has ability and skill which we lack outside of Lallana and Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 So in January we buy a player for the following season not knowing what league we will be in and neither will he? Coutinho seems to of progressed well at Liverpool? I have not been on here long but it is very evident that you just cannot be taken seriously your attempts at trolling are absolutely hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 Please Barry, if you want to be taken seriously you have to realise the difference between 'of' and 'have'.I keep telling him but he just won't listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 I keep telling him but he just won't listen! Normal, isn't he supposed to be a scouser (in his fantasy world anyway) Bet they teach should of instead of should have in scouse schools. I mean the teachers probably know (or knew at one time) the correct usage but the pupils have long since worn them down because they all say shuda anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 Also shame that you are a prize penis Your wit is truly scathing. Why is that exactly. Have you kept up with any of Alpines predictions on here? He is wrong every time. So it's hardly infeasible to say that it is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 I keep telling him but he just won't listen! It's just so damn lazy, and he just comes across as thick when he uses this sort of language. I'm trying to save him from himself. It doesn't help that his points on this thread are utter turd as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2013 Share Posted 10 May, 2013 I consider him a quality player but if we get our money back, I'd sell him and reinvest. I agree. One man does not make a team. But we want our money back for him. Personally, i'd love him to stay and bring in equally talented players to build the team rather than trade one talented player for another one. We want to build not just have one star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 For 12 million according to the Sun. Difficult one, do we persist as we all know there is a hugely talented player there, or do we cash in and spend elsewhere. Tbh if the money truly is there this will be an indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 For 12 million according to the Sun. Difficult one, do we persist as we all know there is a hugely talented player there, or do we cash in and spend elsewhere. Tbh if the money truly is there this will be an indicator. Sell him, no contest, money back in effect, will the clappers still want him now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Normal, isn't he supposed to be a scouser (in his fantasy world anyway) Bet they teach should of instead of should have in scouse schools. I mean the teachers probably know (or knew at one time) the correct usage but the pupils have long since worn them down because they all say shuda anyway. Norman, no I am not a scouser, I live in scouseland, hope that makes it clear for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 For 12 million according to the Sun. Difficult one, do we persist as we all know there is a hugely talented player there, or do we cash in and spend elsewhere. Tbh if the money truly is there this will be an indicator. Reckon not too hard for the club. They know him, see him daily, will have a good idea how he will settle next season. If they are confident he will be happy, settled and perform as he can they will keep unless can see easy profit and somewhere to spend. Hopefully easy decision for them to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 I hope he stays. Get a pre season under his belt and a few more creative players who can make his job more easier. If we cash in it may suggest that we don't have as much cash to flash as we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 I hope he stays. Get a pre season under his belt and a few more creative players who can make his job more easier. If we cash in it may suggest that we don't have as much cash to flash as we think. We haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 We haven't. Given the money spent last year, significant increase in tv money and ambition of european football I would disagree. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 We haven't. Alan Nixon seems to completely disagree with you, Baz. The guy who got our transfer dealings spot on last year thinks we're going to eclipse what we spent last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 What message does it send to other young players bought for the long term if we discard them after one season because they weren't consistently brilliant? Gaston will come good next season and be worth a fair bit more than we shelled out. I'm looking forward to his second season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Alan Nixon seems to completely disagree with you, Baz. The guy who got our transfer dealings spot on last year thinks we're going to eclipse what we spent last summer. Do you mean the guy that was dubbed clueless on here when he said a week before the transfer window shut said we could t decide what centre half we want? What would he know about how much we have to spend Krackers? His track record with us is awful as the centre half statement showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Do you mean the guy that was dubbed clueless on here when he said a week before the transfer window shut said we could t decide what centre half we want? What would he know about how much we have to spend Krackers? His track record with us is awful as the centre half statement showed. Not the mongboard's finest hour; so many on here who didn't like such spurious nonsense (actual truth, as it turned out) being peddled that they again attacked the man rather than the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Gaston's a frustrating player because you can see that he has talent but often makes poor decisions. He tries outrageous flicks and backheels that look fantastic when they work and make him look like an idiot when they don't. I'm also not sure which position in the team's usual 4-2-3-1 formation he should play in. Whilst he plays on the wing for Uruguay, he's never really looked convincing playing there in a Saints shirt. He's had his best performances in a relatively free role just behind Lambert, but I think that J-Rod has been more effective in this role than Gaston. I think that the form of both Lambert and Rodriguez has been a bit of a surprise and they have both adapted to the Premier League better than expected and Ramirez worse. Building a team isn't an exact science and there is always an element of uncertainty about how a player will fit in to a team and whether they will be able to recreate the form that they have had at a previous team. If he wants to leave and we get a decent offer, then we should let him go. If he doesn't want to go then I don't think that we should be soliciting bids for him. If he can get a settled position in the formation and a lot of practice fitting in to the team in pre-season then he might perform a lot better next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Do you mean the guy that was dubbed clueless on here when he said a week before the transfer window shut said we could t decide what centre half we want? What would he know about how much we have to spend Krackers? His track record with us is awful as the centre half statement showed. Iirc, Nixon was knocked because people misunderstood his statement -they assumed Nixon was suggesting we weren't after another CB or that our priorities lay elsewhere; when, in fact, what he really meant was that we wanted a CB but couldn't decide which one we wanted (it turns out NC wanted Yoshida while NA wanted Nuytick). Understood correctly, very few people would have disagreed with Nixon. Iirc, you also got the wrong end of the stick, taking Nixon's statement as evidence that we were ignoring a crying need in the squad and yet more incompetence by the hallowed transfer committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Iirc, Nixon was knocked because people misunderstood his statement -they assumed Nixon was suggesting we weren't after another CB or that our priorities lay elsewhere; when, in fact, what he really meant was that we wanted a CB but couldn't decide which one we wanted (it turns out NC wanted Yoshida while NA wanted Nuytick). Understood correctly, very few people would have disagreed with Nixon. Iirc, you also got the wrong end of the stick, taking Nixon's statement as evidence that we were ignoring a crying need in the squad and yet more incompetence by the hallowed transfer committee. Did people actually believe this? I certainly didn't. It was clear we were in the market for a CB, we were linked with enough but nothing came through. Nixon fairly clearly said that we couldn't decide which CB we wanted; not that we weren't going to get one. That's how I remember it anyway. My criticisms at the time were not that we weren't looking for a CB, but that we hadn't seemed to prioritise the signing (and willingness to pay bigger money) over and above those of Ramirez and Rodriguez, who I didn't (and still don't) see as anything but luxury signings at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Iirc, Nixon was knocked because people misunderstood his statement -they assumed Nixon was suggesting we weren't after another CB or that our priorities lay elsewhere; when, in fact, what he really meant was that we wanted a CB but couldn't decide which one we wanted (it turns out NC wanted Yoshida while NA wanted Nuytick). Understood correctly, very few people would have disagreed with Nixon. Iirc, you also got the wrong end of the stick, taking Nixon's statement as evidence that we were ignoring a crying need in the squad and yet more incompetence by the hallowed transfer committee. You recall wrongly. People slammed nixon on here as clueless asking how he would know what we were up to, when he'd got most of our business correct. I used it as evidence that a week before the window shut it was a shambles that we didn't know which centre back we wanted, not that we didn't want one. Didnt Adkins say we wouldnt be signing Yoshida when asked only for him to sign a few days later? seems like it was a shambles and not everyone in the committee knew what was going on. Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Not the mongboard's finest hour; so many on here who didn't like such spurious nonsense (actual truth, as it turned out) being peddled that they again attacked the man rather than the ball. I dont know why you care so much what the mong board says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 I dont know why you care so much what the mong board says? You're a very funny guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Do you mean the guy that was dubbed clueless on here when he said a week before the transfer window shut said we could t decide what centre half we want? What would he know about how much we have to spend Krackers? His track record with us is awful as the centre half statement showed. Iirc, Nixon was knocked because people misunderstood his statement -they assumed Nixon was suggesting we weren't after another CB or that our priorities lay elsewhere; when, in fact, what he really meant was that we wanted a CB but couldn't decide which one we wanted (it turns out NC wanted Yoshida while NA wanted Nuytick). Understood correctly, very few people would have disagreed with Nixon. Iirc, you also got the wrong end of the stick, taking Nixon's statement as evidence that we were ignoring a crying need in the squad and yet more incompetence by the hallowed transfer committee. That is also my understanding of events, and you can throw Rhys Williams in to the CB targets list as well. Reading between the lines, I recall NA discounting Yoshida at one point, so I suspect Nuytink (or whatever his name is) was our first option, but he selected Anderlecht, leaving Yoshida as our back up choice, (especially after Williams injury). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Did people actually believe this? I certainly didn't. It was clear we were in the market for a CB, we were linked with enough but nothing came through. Nixon fairly clearly said that we couldn't decide which CB we wanted; not that we weren't going to get one. That's how I remember it anyway. My criticisms at the time were not that we weren't looking for a CB, but that we hadn't seemed to prioritise the signing (and willingness to pay bigger money) over and above those of Ramirez and Rodriguez, who I didn't (and still don't) see as anything but luxury signings at that time. Ignoring is too strong -not addressing properly is more accurate. Nixon's modest contention we couldn't make up our minds says nothing about poor prioritisation which is what got peoples knickers in a twist on here. As it turned out, our transfer activity for CBs was massively disappointing, though the story might have been different if a supposed bid for a CB which would have exceeded the Ramirez transfer fee, had not fallen through at the 11th hour. But that's neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Ignoring is too strong -not addressing properly is more accurate. Nixon's modest contention we couldn't make up our minds says nothing about poor prioritisation which is what got peoples knickers in a twist on here. As it turned out, our transfer activity for CBs was massively disappointing, though the story might have been different if a supposed bid for a CB which would have exceeded the Ramirez transfer fee, had not fallen through at the 11th hour. But that's neither here nor there. Nixon's comment on its own may not have said much about prioritisation. But combined with the summer's activities I felt it spoke volumes. I felt his comment gave confirmation to the fact that, with a CB, we had for whatever reason failed to do what we had done successfully with Rodriguez and Ramirez: highlight a major, expensive target early on, and pull out all the stops to get him (JRod was concluded quickly, Ramirez was an epic saga, but we got our men that we identified up front). We just didn't do that with a CB, like I say for whatever reason that was, but we didn't. As you rightly say our transfer activity for CBs was massively disappointing, and the committee were clearly at odds over who the main target was in the run up to the closure of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Ignoring is too strong -not addressing properly is more accurate. Nixon's modest contention we couldn't make up our minds says nothing about poor prioritisation which is what got peoples knickers in a twist on here. As it turned out, our transfer activity for CBs was massively disappointing, though the story might have been different if a supposed bid for a CB which would have exceeded the Ramirez transfer fee, had not fallen through at the 11th hour. But that's neither here nor there. First I've seen of that. Unless you are talking of Astori, but that was less than the £14m quoted for Ramirez, no idea who the target was. Any names ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Benteke was see as a complete waste up until Xmas, he played enough games to get used to PL football. He would be a wantedplayer at most clubs now. IMO Gaston will do ok once he gets enough games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 First I've seen of that. Unless you are talking of Astori, but that was less than the £14m quoted for Ramirez, no idea who the target was. Any names ? There was a story we failed with a late and very large deal for a centre back right at the end of the window, who it was no one knows. Presumably the player wasn't available in January either. Also heard we bid for Martin Olsen as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 There was a story we failed with a late and very large deal for a centre back right at the end of the window, who it was no one knows. Presumably the player wasn't available in January either. Also heard we bid for Martin Olsen as well. You heard right. But it was far too late on deadline day to get it done and West Ham were involved too. Was told it was a late one as any move was dependent on shipping out Hammond and Sharp and that only happened that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&u=http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/southampton-ramirez-nel-mirino-di-atletico-madrid-e-borussia-dortmund-459844 His agent is now claiming Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid want him. As revealed by his agent Pablo Bentancur to Radio Mana Mana, Gaston Ramirez entered into the views of prominent clubs such as Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund, who would tear him to Southampton, able to turn to get it from Bologna last year sound of millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 His agent is now claiming Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid want him. But he's no good, can't last 90mins and was a waste of money.* * according to some idiots on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&u=http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/southampton-ramirez-nel-mirino-di-atletico-madrid-e-borussia-dortmund-459844 His agent is now claiming Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid want him. Can't see Dortmund wanting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Not sure anyone could afford him :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 But he's no good, can't last 90mins and was a waste of money.* * according to some idiots on here. Hasnt really set the world on fire, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Promising to be a nice little commodity for his agent, sold to us for shed loads delivered very little v the price tag, Fiorentina have been sniffing around, now Athletico Madrid and conveniently Champions League finalists Dortmund. Makes me think a little of Demba Ba who had a good showing at West Ham then snapped up by Newcastle where he also performed well, then out of the blue his Agent chirps up informing the footballing world that Ba has a £10m contract buy out clause. Ramirez needs to up his game and put in some regular impressive performances for his agents little game to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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