Gaston "contacted by Fiorentina"

[The Kraken]

Well I don't know about you, but I was posting on a Ramirez thread. Agree with your last three sentences.

 

I see. So you were comparing £20M Oscar to Ramirez then? Fair enough.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

As a result of this post, I would be willing to put my house on him being here, and being a star performer next year.

 

Shame I don't own a house really.

 

Also shame that you are a prize penis

[BlakeySFC]

Gaston will be off in the Summer anyway.

[DuncanRG]

I love the Saints, ****ed off few can see this regimes transfer policy has largely failed, where is Forren?

 

It was literally written in the press release that he was a signing for the future. It literally said that.

 

I'm sure Gaston will get better and better, but Courtino of Liverpool seems to have settled well without all the excuses about age, chance to settle to prem football ect ect.

 

It's as if people settle at different rates! I have no problems with Ramirez not being as good as Coutinho (though it's a shame cause he was one of our targets), Liverpool are a better team and a bigger club. They're likely to have better players.

 

Something that fans so often do (and I should say it is a natural thing) is forget that coaches see these guys every day. They know the talent they have, and we don't unless it's shown in games. Of course players need to produce on the pitch but if they didn't see something in him (from their position of expertise, far beyond any of us) then he wouldn't be here. Take J-Rod; all our players were going on about his performances in training earlier this season and how they hope he can start to show it in games if he gets the confidence and game time. Lo and behold, he did and he started performing and the way our guys talk about Ramirez, he's clearly got that as well. Be disappointed with his season, hope he improves but don't bin him off now.

 

This is a conversation we should be having next summer if he's still not performing and he's not improving with the rest of the team. This is what has happened to Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp etc - they haven't kept up with the rate of growth in the squad.

[buctootim]

IThis is a conversation we should be having next summer if he's still not performing and he's not improving with the rest of the team. This is what has happened to Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp etc - they haven't kept up with the rate of growth in the squad.

 

 

The difference is that Chaplow cost £50,000 and was invaluable to us for a season. Ramirez cost £13m and hasn't been. I'm not digging at Ramirez specifically but for years its been the case that our best players have usually been home grown or picked up relatively cheap somewhere. When we spend serious money it seems to misfire somehow. If someone were to offer for Ramirez now what we paid for him last year then Cortese and Pochettino would snatch their hands off imo.

Edited 9 May, 2013 by buctootim

[DuncanRG]

The difference is that Chaplow cost £50,000 and was invaluable to us for a season. Ramirez cost £13m and hasn't been. I'm not digging at Ramirez specifically but for years its been the case that our best players have usually been home grown or picked up relatively cheap somewhere. When we spend serious money it seems to misfire somehow. If someone were to offer for Ramirez now what we paid for him last year then Cortese and Pochettino would snatch their hands off imo.

 

The way I see it a poor (or underwhelming) first season isn't a misfire. £12m on a young player is an investment of time as well as money and they'll be working over a long period to nurture his raw talent regardless of whether the investment pays off instantly. If he hits the ground running and scores 15 goals in his first season then that's a huge bonus rather than what's expected.

[doggface]

Exactly. Ronaldo is arguably best or 2nd best in the world, it took him a season or 2 to truely deliver.

 

Now I don't think gaston will ever be that good, but Jose fonte thinks he could be.

 

my point is gaston has bags of ability but we have to give him at least another season to develop. If he does we could potentially have one of the most exciting young attackers in the league.

[Barry Sanchez]

Exactly. Ronaldo is arguably best or 2nd best in the world, it took him a season or 2 to truely deliver.

 

Now I don't think gaston will ever be that good, but Jose fonte thinks he could be.

 

my point is gaston has bags of ability but we have to give him at least another season to develop. If he does we could potentially have one of the most exciting young attackers in the league.

 

Ronaldo went to Man Utd after doing it at Lisbon and he went there when he was 19, Man Utd also have the luxury of bedding in players as they have huge quality through out, there lies the difference, we dont.

If we are to progress we will need to spend millions on 1st team and squad based players as well, bedding in will be easier but spending £12Million on a player and simply expecting him to perform is naive, after seeing Ramirez its naive and stupid as its not about settling in its about his lack of effort and his apparent lack of fitness as he cant even last 90 mins in a game, for a star player I can not remember such a let down and damp squib, waste of time and money.

[southamptonfc]

for a star player I can not remember such a let down and damp squib, waste of time and money.

 

You obviously don't remember Kerry Dixon and David Speedie. I expect you were also saying Rodrigez was a waste of money.

 

Ramirez has the talent to do things that nobody else can in our squad. He is still young, has massive potential and needs to be nurtured. If you can't see that, thank god you aren't the manager!

[NickG]

Rickie Lambert describes Gaston Ramirez as the player with the best awareness and vision he has ever played with.

 

I think it is this subtlety that a few miss, looking for the more superficial headless chicken players.

 

I have been disappointed that he did not continue after the impressive Villa game.

 

In the last game in the short spell between coming on and before the sending off he looked our most able player and most likely to make something happen.

 

6 months ago posters were writing off Jay Rodriguez. Not good enough for us. A waste of money. "Why the f#ck did we sign him" (alpine).

 

Now linked with England and Liverpool.

 

Ramirez is 6 months younger, foreign, not played English football before.

 

I wonder what Ramirez will be like in 6 months time?

 

In my opinion he has disappointed, partly due to fee, partly hype, partly because his ability is clear. But I have seen that he has the ability and potential to be our best player.

[sotonist]

Rickie Lambert describes Gaston Ramirez as the player with the best awareness and vision he has ever played with.

 

I think it is this subtlety that a few miss, looking for the more superficial headless chicken players.

 

Maybe he forgot about Chris Lines or Blair Sturrock.

 

That statement basically amounts to "gaston has the best awareness and vision at the club"

 

It is a shame his awareness and vision doesn't extend to awareness of players about to rob him of the ball or how high the crossbar is.

[Barry Sanchez]

Maybe he forgot about Chris Lines or Blair Sturrock.

 

That statement basically amounts to "gaston has the best awareness and vision at the club"

 

It is a shame his awareness and vision doesn't extend to awareness of players about to rob him of the ball or how high the crossbar is.

 

True that, similar to Moyes saying that United is the best squad he has ever worked with.

[Barry Sanchez]

You obviously don't remember Kerry Dixon and David Speedie. I expect you were also saying Rodrigez was a waste of money.

 

Ramirez has the talent to do things that nobody else can in our squad. He is still young, has massive potential and needs to be nurtured. If you can't see that, thank god you aren't the manager!

 

Did we ever sign Dixon and Speedie as our star player? Must missed that...................

[NickG]

Maybe he forgot about Chris Lines or Blair Sturrock.

 

That statement basically amounts to "gaston has the best awareness and vision at the club"

 

It is a shame his awareness and vision doesn't extend to awareness of players about to rob him of the ball or how high the crossbar is.

 

Different opinions. Sorry I think he is unfairly criticised.

 

Prefer less of real quality than consistent mediocrity.

 

Don't know how we will finish viewing him but think it is astonishing how quickly he is being written off.

[Saint Garrett]

BS, what would you rather? A player with Gaston's quality, youth, promise but hugely inconsistent, or a limited slogger who has limited ability but consistent ?!

[Turkish]

BS, what would you rather? A player with Gaston's quality, youth, promise but hugely inconsistent, or a limited slogger who has limited ability but consistent ?!

 

Given the popularity Of some previous players it seems the only attribute people want is pace.

[Barry Sanchez]

Settling in and all that aside why does he still think he can take a freekick? That has everything to do with technique surely? He fails at that.

[Barry Sanchez]

BS, what would you rather? A player with Gaston's quality, youth, promise but hugely inconsistent, or a limited slogger who has limited ability but consistent ?!

 

No I would prefer a relevant signing with the relevant quality.

 

What a stupid question.

[Barry Sanchez]

Different opinions. Sorry I think he is unfairly criticised.

 

Prefer less of real quality than consistent mediocrity.

 

Don't know how we will finish viewing him but think it is astonishing how quickly he is being written off.

 

No pnes questions whether he is talented, he is, George Best was still tlaented when he went to Bournemouth mind, its the relevancy of the signing, why sign a luxury player when we knew with this squad we would struggle?

 

Poor signing not needed, to get the best out of him we need to improve the midfield and forward line, we will but how much by and also its a year late.

 

Pointless.

[southamptonfc]

Did we ever sign Dixon and Speedie as our star player? Must missed that...................

 

Kerry Dixon (Chelsea's 2nd all time highest goalscorer, 193 goals) cost us 575k, a large amount for us at the time and only managed to play 9 games.

[southamptonfc]

No pnes questions whether he is talented, he is, George Best was still tlaented when he went to Bournemouth mind, its the relevancy of the signing, why sign a luxury player when we knew with this squad we would struggle?

 

Poor signing not needed, to get the best out of him we need to improve the midfield and forward line, we will but how much by and also its a year late.

 

Pointless.

 

You need to think bigger like Nicola. If we make a couple more £13 million signings in summer, we can really push on and upwards to being a top half team.

[Saint Garrett]

No I would prefer a relevant signing with the relevant quality.

 

What a stupid question.

 

Thats not answering the question is it.

[tajjuk]

No pnes questions whether he is talented, he is, George Best was still tlaented when he went to Bournemouth mind, its the relevancy of the signing, why sign a luxury player when we knew with this squad we would struggle?

 

Poor signing not needed, to get the best out of him we need to improve the midfield and forward line, we will but how much by and also its a year late.

 

Pointless.

 

 

Since when is 14th for a newly promoted club 'struggling'? Newcastle who finished 5th last year and are now 17th could be described as 'struggling', in now way have we been struggling, maybe at the start of the season but not really since then when we've been averaging around 1.5 points per game.

 

You really are a tool.

[Saint Garrett]

No pnes questions whether he is talented, he is, George Best was still tlaented when he went to Bournemouth mind, its the relevancy of the signing, why sign a luxury player when we knew with this squad we would struggle?

 

Poor signing not needed, to get the best out of him we need to improve the midfield and forward line, we will but how much by and also its a year late.

 

Pointless.

 

And you say this all the time. But Cortese didn't EXPECT us to struggle, and going on the predictions on here at the start of the season, neither did we. Surely you have to try and bring in the best players possible? Even if they're not going to be ideal in a relegation scrap, if the club was never intending on being in a relegation scrap, then thats no problem. IF Gaston had started like Hazard, then we wouldn't be where we are. But I'm sure he hasn't quite settled due to a number of reasons, lifestyle, new country, bereavement, injury etc.

 

Do I want him to have had a better season than he has - yes of course, but just because he hasn't been a world beater in his first season, doesn't mean he's suddenly a waste of money.

[sotonist]

You need to think bigger like Nicola. If we make a couple more £13 million signings in summer, we can really push on and upwards to being a top half team.

 

Not if they need a year or more to bed in. Gaston has produced one or two performances that exceed the contribution that an average player would have made. Much of the rest of the time he's been a waste of space or a liability.

 

I suppose we're seeing the difference being Liverpool makes. They only need to pay 8m for a younger player who is ready to go. We spend more and only get the player because we make a financial offer he can't refuse. It shouldn't really be a surprise that the lad isn't made of the right stuff mentally.

 

Hopefully it's only his head that needs sorting. If he also needs help with technique we've spectacularly overpaid. From a 19 year old Schneiderlin it was understandable. This guy is only one year younger than Morgan is now and has been a senior international for two and a half years.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Ramirez still has the potential to light up the Premier League and it makes sense to give him another season to deliver. Take him off free kicks though. Shockingly bad with a dead ball. Wouldn't look out of place in the car park with the fans at the end of Soccer am.

[scotty]

My wife loves me but is never happy.

 

 

Just used my wife's computer to send an email. The spam filter must be broken, because there's loads of messages in her inbox about penis enlargement.

 

Its odd though, because they all start the same way. "Dear Mrs Stevens, further to your enquiry...."

 

 

 

 

Oh, and we should keep Gaston imho. (he added, trying to stay on topic)

[Saint Garrett]

Ramirez still has the potential to light up the Premier League and it makes sense to give him another season to deliver. Take him off free kicks though. Shockingly bad with a dead ball. Wouldn't look out of place in the car park with the fans at the end of Soccer am.

 

Odd one really. Because he's probably put in some of our best set pieces, along with some absolute shockers.

[Colinjb]

Rickie Lambert describes Gaston Ramirez as the player with the best awareness and vision he has ever played with.

 

I think it is this subtlety that a few miss, looking for the more superficial headless chicken players.

 

I have been disappointed that he did not continue after the impressive Villa game.

 

In the last game in the short spell between coming on and before the sending off he looked our most able player and most likely to make something happen.

 

6 months ago posters were writing off Jay Rodriguez. Not good enough for us. A waste of money. "Why the f#ck did we sign him" (alpine).

 

Now linked with England and Liverpool.

 

Ramirez is 6 months younger, foreign, not played English football before.

 

I wonder what Ramirez will be like in 6 months time?

 

In my opinion he has disappointed, partly due to fee, partly hype, partly because his ability is clear. But I have seen that he has the ability and potential to be our best player.

 

An excellent post. Cannot add anything extra to it.

[Barry Sanchez]

Kerry Dixon (Chelsea's 2nd all time highest goalscorer, 193 goals) cost us 575k, a large amount for us at the time and only managed to play 9 games.

 

We already had Dowie and Dixon was well past his best, speculation buy as with Speedie that year not too sure what your point is?

[Barry Sanchez]

And you say this all the time. But Cortese didn't EXPECT us to struggle, and going on the predictions on here at the start of the season, neither did we. Surely you have to try and bring in the best players possible? Even if they're not going to be ideal in a relegation scrap, if the club was never intending on being in a relegation scrap, then thats no problem. IF Gaston had started like Hazard, then we wouldn't be where we are. But I'm sure he hasn't quite settled due to a number of reasons, lifestyle, new country, bereavement, injury etc.

 

Do I want him to have had a better season than he has - yes of course, but just because he hasn't been a world beater in his first season, doesn't mean he's suddenly a waste of money.

 

Two crap transfer windows, of course we are going to struggle.

[Saint Garrett]

Two crap transfer windows, of course we are going to struggle.

 

[scotty]

Rickie Lambert describes Gaston Ramirez as the player with the best awareness and vision he has ever played with.

 

Rickie Lambert is also one of the players who gets hugely and visibly frustrated when Gaston attempts yet another hopeless shot on goal/mazy run through an impossibly packed defence from a great position after a promising buildup, rather than passing or crossing the ball. He's got so much potential, but seems to think that he's already Messi.

[UpweySaint]

Two crap transfer windows, of course we are going to struggle.

 

Yawn ....

[Barry Sanchez]

 

Its that rugby ball again...

[Wiggles31]

Two crap transfer windows, of course we are going to struggle.

 

Beggars belief.

[Barry Sanchez]

Rickie Lambert is also one of the players who gets hugely and visibly frustrated when Gaston attempts yet another hopeless shot on goal/mazy run through an impossibly packed defence from a great position after a promising buildup, rather than passing or crossing the ball. He's got so much potential, but seems to think that he's already Messi.

 

A Messi that starts but only gets single figures for scoring in a season...........

Edited 9 May, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[Olallana]

So Barry, what team around us in the bottom 7 did do any good business in january since you think ourz was so crap, surely you must compare it before deem it...?

 

Newcastle?

Yes, bought players....doing about the same or possible even worse before that window....

 

QPR, your old favourite??

No comments needed....

 

Aston Villa?

Brought in some Sylla, haven´t seen him make any impact....

 

Sunderland?

Brought in Graham.....and what a success it´s been....

 

 

Btw, is it ANY team in the league that did some business in january that transformed their team??

 

Liverpool perhaps, but dont think they think 7th is such a big success either....

[Barry Sanchez]

So Barry, what team around us in the bottom 7 did do any good business in january since you think ourz was so crap, surely you must compare it before deem it...?

 

Newcastle?

Yes, bought players....doing about the same or possible even worse before that window....

 

QPR, your old favourite??

No comments needed....

 

Aston Villa?

Brought in some Sylla, haven´t seen him make any impact....

 

Sunderland?

Brought in Graham.....and what a success it´s been....

 

 

Btw, is it ANY team in the league that did some business in january that transformed their team??

 

Liverpool perhaps, but dont think they think 7th is such a big success either....

 

We bought Forren to tighten up our defence, your point?

[Saint Bowood]

According to an overheard conversation at the last home game, Micaela (Mrs R) is not a happy bunny - climate/family and all that - and I'm sure we all know that if 'er indoors' isn't happy, concentrating on getting your free kicks on the spot can be a bit of a problem.

 

Perhaps Uncle Nic could pop round and iron things out and we can look forward to fullfilled potential next season - unless of course Mrs R gets her own way and he's banging them in for Fiorentina!!

[Barry Sanchez]

According to an overheard conversation at the last home game, Micaela (Mrs R) is not a happy bunny - climate/family and all that - and I'm sure we all know that if 'er indoors' isn't happy, concentrating on getting your free kicks on the spot can be a bit of a problem.

 

Perhaps Uncle Nic could pop round and iron things out and we can look forward to fullfilled potential next season - unless of course Mrs R gets her own way and he's banging them in for Fiorentina!!

Not always the way, Torres' s wife hated Liverpool but he played well here, Rooney's missus has wanted to live in London for years and will probably get her way soon, they seem to play ok.

[Olallana]

We bought Forren to tighten up our defence, your point?

 

I thought it was pretty clear, it´s in there in the first sentence but since it´s you I´ll write it once again.

 

What team in the bottom 7 did good business in january from your point of view?

Clear enough?

 

Cause maybe it´s so easy that if not any teams make good business in january it´s because it´s very hard to find the right ones in that window....

[Barry Sanchez]

So you accept we did crap business in January? Good we agree.

[tajjuk]

Odd one really. Because he's probably put in some of our best set pieces, along with some absolute shockers.

 

He took decent set pieces for Bologna. What he tries most of the time is to whip the ball in with lots of pace, some come off some don't. I suppose it sums him how he's been this season, sometimes good, sometimes poor.

 

You could using the flip side have someone that puts in 'safer' more flighted freekicks/corners that will most probably get in the general direction they are supposed to be going but also are much easier to clear. Depends what you want dependable and predictable or dangerous but inconsistent.

[Olallana]

Haha.

Troll lesson no.1A for all of you out there.....

 

When you get a question that you know you dont have any answer to, answer it with a question back or post some sort of opinion that the other person hasn´t mentioned anything about.....

[Barry Sanchez]

He took decent set pieces for Bologna. What he tries most of the time is to whip the ball in with lots of pace, some come off some don't. I suppose it sums him how he's been this season, sometimes good, sometimes poor.

 

You could using the flip side have someone that puts in 'safer' more flighted freekicks/corners that will most probably get in the general direction they are supposed to be going but also are much easier to clear. Depends what you want dependable and predictable or dangerous but inconsistent.

How many goals have come from his set pieces?

[Barry Sanchez]

Haha.

Troll lesson no.1A for all of you out there.....

 

When you get a question that you know you dont have any answer to, answer it with a question back or post some sort of opinion that the other person hasn´t mentioned anything about.....

Good lets move on.....

[Lallana's Left Peg]

So you accept we did crap business in January? Good we agree.

 

On what grounds do you affirm we did crap business?

 

We went after Coutinho and lost out to Liverpool. We also signed a centre-half that the club acknowledged was for the future (his agent has also since stated the plan was for Forren to contribute starting next season). In the subsequent period we've also remained outside the relegation zone and look poised to confirm our survival in the league for next season, so there does not appear to be any bad consequences of waiting to sign the right players.

 

Conversely, our fellow lower-half rivals also stood still, and those who did invest have not seen ANY immediate positive impact whatsoever.

 

So it is hard to understand how you could even assume investment in January would have resulted in more points either, and even then, I'd be interested to learn your thoughts on who we should have signed and how you know they were available and for a price we could afford.

[Barry Sanchez]

On what grounds do you affirm we did crap business?

 

We went after Coutinho and lost out to Liverpool. We also signed a centre-half that the club acknowledged was for the future (his agent has also since stated the plan was for Forren to contribute starting next season). In the subsequent period we've also remained outside the relegation zone and look poised to confirm our survival in the league for next season, so there does not appear to be any bad consequences of waiting to sign the right players.

 

Conversely, our fellow lower-half rivals also stood still, and those who did invest have not seen ANY immediate positive impact whatsoever.

 

So it is hard to understand how you could even assume investment in January would have resulted in more points either, and even then, I'd be interested to learn your thoughts on who we should have signed and how you know they were available and for a price we could afford.

 

So in January we buy a player for the following season not knowing what league we will be in and neither will he?

Coutinho seems to of progressed well at Liverpool?

[UpweySaint]

On what grounds do you affirm we did crap business?

 

We went after Coutinho and lost out to Liverpool. We also signed a centre-half that the club acknowledged was for the future (his agent has also since stated the plan was for Forren to contribute starting next season). In the subsequent period we've also remained outside the relegation zone and look poised to confirm our survival in the league for next season, so there does not appear to be any bad consequences of waiting to sign the right players.

 

Conversely, our fellow lower-half rivals also stood still, and those who did invest have not seen ANY immediate positive impact whatsoever.

 

So it is hard to understand how you could even assume investment in January would have resulted in more points either, and even then, I'd be interested to learn your thoughts on who we should have signed and how you know they were available and for a price we could afford.

 

Throw in the change of management ... Poch could hardly come in and say "ah ive seen this fox lad on motd, dross" and demanded a new left back. Better off having a bit of time looking at thr squad first hand and deciding what needs to be done come the summer. Besides back in january, the way we'd looked to have turned things around, relegation wasn't really the buzzword flying around ...