Olallana Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Yoshida is not up to scratch as a premierhsip starter, Clyne is, so is Davis, so is Boruc and Rodriguez now. How much did they cost? How much did our failures cost? Money wasted, we must get a football man in doing the buying and who knows the market, Les "I know **** all about club football" Reed is up doing the buying for ****s sake. Oh player is only bought to fit in first XI every week, cause all you need during a season is 11 players... Thank you, now I understand this game of football much better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Barry must be such an unhappy man, after the amazing almost unique success of the Liebherr/Cortese years and our complete revival and restoration to the top league he is still moaning, what will make him happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Yoshida is not up to scratch as a premierhsip starter, Clyne is, so is Davis, so is Boruc and Rodriguez now. How much did they cost? How much did our failures cost? Money wasted, we must get a football man in doing the buying and who knows the market, Les "I know **** all about club football" Reed is up doing the buying for ****s sake. you dont seem to like saints much, do you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I love the Saints, ****ed off few can see this regimes transfer policy has largely failed, where is Forren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Barry must be such an unhappy man, after the amazing almost unique success of the Liebherr/Cortese years and our complete revival and restoration to the top league he is still moaning, what will make him happy? Unique success, go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Crikey! Bit dramatic. I'd say, on the whole, our transfer policy has been a relative success. It's not perfect but who the hecks is? Even Barrys "football men" types get it wrong. Just look at Fergie and Wenger, both respected football men yet both have occassionally brought players who simply havent done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Crikey! Bit dramatic. I'd say, on the whole, our transfer policy has been a relative success. It's not perfect but who the hecks is? Even Barrys "football men" types get it wrong. Just look at Fergie and Wenger, both respected football men yet both have occassionally brought players who simply havent done it. They have got it wrong but they have got it right more often, we got Mayuka and Forren and so e supposedly awesome Uruguayan as well, heaven knows when they arrive........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Why have you got a cartoon of a hand throwing a rugby ball in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 God, BS talks some BS... I was one of the biggest critics of our Summer spending, but all players bar Mayuka and Forren (who WILL be a starter next season) have all made a decent contribution to our season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I might want to ask what regime in Saints has been more successful regarding signings the last 25 yrs.....but I wont....so no need to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Few before spent money and none before have spent/wasted such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 God, BS talks some BS... I was one of the biggest critics of our Summer spending, but all players bar Mayuka and Forren (who WILL be a starter next season) have all made a decent contribution to our season. Gazzaniga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 He is quoted saying he only came here for the money, hardly instills confidence he bought (parden the pun) the Cortese dream, face it he's been ****, he does not want to be here and we (Cortese) have wasted money on a luxury buy we never needed, theres no doubt he could be a quality player but theres no doubt it wont happen for us as he obviously is not arsed, or if he is arsed then he truly is Gash. Wasn't he actually quoted as saying he was excited by the fact we wanted to build a team around him and had ambitions of European football in the years to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Gazzaniga? Our 3rd string keeper that should never have even played but did due to Adkins incompetence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I might want to ask what regime in Saints has been more successful regarding signings the last 25 yrs.....but I wont....so no need to answer. Good post - it's good to know the things people don't want to ask, as well as the questions they do ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Wasn't he actually quoted as saying he was excited by the fact we wanted to build a team around him and had ambitions of European football in the years to come? He was, but it doesn't fit in with BS's argument so he won't take it on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 ****ed off few can see this regimes transfer policy has largely failed. The day "this regime" tookover, Saints were 68th in England. Today we are 14th in England! That is evidence of an extremely successful transfer policy isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I love the Saints, ****ed off few can see this regimes transfer policy has largely failed, where is Forren? if you love saints, how come you never ever seem to be happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 It's a pointless arguement when someone is just writing on this forum to wind people up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Now, I'm no expert, I've watch Saints for over 40years, but I was rubbish when I played, and would make a lousy manager, and I would say for most of the 30,000 who watch Saints that would be true. However, what do the players who play with Ramires week in week out think of him, the real professionals, who premiership status could depend on him. Well I have been told by one that they really rate him. He has a very quick 'footballing brain' that others have been finding it difficult to adjust to. I was told Lallana was the only one who was quick enough to be on his wavelength. It is just a matter of time to they become accustomed to each other, and then something special is expected. Time will tell. Personally watching him I think we have nowhere seen his best yet, we have since occasional glimpses, can't wait to see him when he really gets going.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 It's a pointless arguement when someone is just writing on this forum to wind people up. just had a quick look at his post history, very poor efforts at winding people up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Fiorentina, to move Ramirez from SMS firstly have to negotiate with Cortese, secondly find better than £12m up front, good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 They have got it wrong but they have got it right more often, we got Mayuka and Forren and so e supposedly awesome Uruguayan as well, heaven knows when they arrive........... We also got Jack Cork, Boruc, Lambert, Fonte ... over the last few years our transfer committie has given us the tools to acheive two promotions and a premiership squad better then at least three or four of the lot below us. I'd say, success. Forren may come good, have some patience, wasn't exactly mega money. Mayuka again plenty outside in the football world fancy his potential, I doubt we'l take a massive financial hit should he not come good. Ramirez could go either way, too soon to say. If he doesnt have a better season next time around fine, call him a flop, fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I'm a little bit late to the party but have i missed something - are we desperate for money ? If so, then if money needed as squad needs strengthening then cash in on Gaston. If we remain in premier league and earn **** loads of money for the privilege then why do we need to sell ? He has skills but hasn't delivered as expected this year but the boy undoubtedly has talent. This 12m hasn't come out of my pocket and if we sell him and get money back, it sure as hell isn't going into my pocket so i'm happy for him to stay. Would look at offloading a lot more fringe players before even looking at Gaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 (edited) Few before spent money and none before have spent/wasted such. Yeah - our signings would be so much better if you were doing them Edited 8 May, 2013 by St_Tel49 spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Yeah - our signings would be so much better if you were doing them BS has already stated he'd rather have 11 'scrappers' than our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 BS has already stated he'd rather have 11 'scrappers' than our team. Seems to work for West Ham, who have pretty much secured their place in mid-table mediocrity for next season. Why aim for the stars, when the roof will do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Seems to work for West Ham, who have pretty much secured their place in mid-table mediocrity for next season. Why aim for the stars, when the roof will do? You shoot for the moon and miss your in the stars, shoot for the roof and miss you'll probably not get very far That was definately one of the gayest things I have ever said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Think you need a decent blend, and think we have that. Whats the point in bringing players who are scrappers with limited ability ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Hard to judge Gaston, brainless sending off apart, until he's had a full, robust pre-season with us. Tim Vickery in his BBC Sport column on S America hinted that Gaston's fitness was a problem and I suspect he'll get a two or three week break in Uruguay and then the club will get him, Forren and possibly Mayuka in training ahead of the rest of the squad. I think it is more of a stamina problem than anything else with Gaston, don't know about Mayuka and it's been hinted on here that the club want Forren to bulk up a bit to deal with the likes of Carroll and Lukaku next season. Then I think we'll be in a better position to judge. It'll force Adam to continue evolving his game if Gaston improves his stamina and consistency because Adam's finishing needs a bit of work in the summer. Like Gaston, he's had good games but has vanished away from home at times although not as much as Gaston has. Who coaches the strikers and ACMs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 He hasn't sold the club yet, and he'd make a massive profit on that. You might just be ITK ;0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Good sides need dribblers. People that are happy to take the ball in tight situations and have the touch and strength to hold players off and keep possession. We have several and that's why we've been able to play such attractive football all season. I'm not sure you can play him and Lallana in the same team, but it's great to have quality in reserve. Whenever Lallana has got injured over the last three years we have suffered terribly. I'm less worried with Gaston as an option. I really enjoy watching him. He has a great first touch and a gracefulness on the ball. He does things with the ball that no other player at SMS can do. He has a tremendous burst of pace with the ball at his feet that allows him to move into spaces and make things happen. Too often he hasn't taken advantage of this movement in between the lines, with his final ball letting him down. Get that right a bit more often and even Barry will be singing his praises. I don't want him to be sold primarily because I wonder if we'll be able to attract a similar talent. If fans keep with him I can see him becoming exactly the player they all hope he would be this season. People forget he's still young and he has the raw ability to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 As above... Saints to keep Gaston .. True star quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Good sides need dribblers. People that are happy to take the ball in tight situations and have the touch and strength to hold players off and keep possession. We have several and that's why we've been able to play such attractive football all season. I'm not sure you can play him and Lallana in the same team, but it's great to have quality in reserve. Whenever Lallana has got injured over the last three years we have suffered terribly. I'm less worried with Gaston as an option. I really enjoy watching him. He has a great first touch and a gracefulness on the ball. He does things with the ball that no other player at SMS can do. He has a tremendous burst of pace with the ball at his feet that allows him to move into spaces and make things happen. Too often he hasn't taken advantage of this movement in between the lines, with his final ball letting him down. Get that right a bit more often and even Barry will be singing his praises. I don't want him to be sold primarily because I wonder if we'll be able to attract a similar talent. If fans keep with him I can see him becoming exactly the player they all hope he would be this season. People forget he's still young and he has the raw ability to succeed. Exactly this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Good sides need dribblers. People that are happy to take the ball in tight situations and have the touch and strength to hold players off and keep possession. We have several and that's why we've been able to play such attractive football all season. I'm not sure you can play him and Lallana in the same team, but it's great to have quality in reserve. Whenever Lallana has got injured over the last three years we have suffered terribly. I'm less worried with Gaston as an option. I really enjoy watching him. He has a great first touch and a gracefulness on the ball. He does things with the ball that no other player at SMS can do. He has a tremendous burst of pace with the ball at his feet that allows him to move into spaces and make things happen. Too often he hasn't taken advantage of this movement in between the lines, with his final ball letting him down. Get that right a bit more often and even Barry will be singing his praises. I don't want him to be sold primarily because I wonder if we'll be able to attract a similar talent. If fans keep with him I can see him becoming exactly the player they all hope he would be this season. People forget he's still young and he has the raw ability to succeed. Spot on. Hopefully, should he come good, he'l appreciate the fans/club sticking by him and show a bit of long term loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Seems to work for West Ham, who have pretty much secured their place in mid-table mediocrity for next season. Why aim for the stars, when the roof will do? Yes the Europa awaits........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Now, I'm no expert, I've watch Saints for over 40years, but I was rubbish when I played, and would make a lousy manager, and I would say for most of the 30,000 who watch Saints that would be true. However, what do the players who play with Ramires week in week out think of him, the real professionals, who premiership status could depend on him. Well I have been told by one that they really rate him. He has a very quick 'footballing brain' that others have been finding it difficult to adjust to. I was told Lallana was the only one who was quick enough to be on his wavelength. It is just a matter of time to they become accustomed to each other, and then something special is expected. Time will tell. Personally watching him I think we have nowhere seen his best yet, we have since occasional glimpses, can't wait to see him when he really gets going.... I probably know as much about the game as you, but to be fair, I have consistently said the same thing about Gaston for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I'm sure Gaston will get better and better, but Courtino of Liverpool seems to have settled well without all the excuses about age, chance to settle to prem football ect ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I see Chelsea's 20m, 22 yo Oscar has just netted his 4th goal of the season. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I see Chelsea's 20m, 22 yo Oscar has just netted his 4th goal of the season. Just saying. His team-mate, 22 year old Eden Hazard, seemed to fare a bit better, being nominated by his peers for the player of the year and young player of the year in his debut season here. Maybe some players are much more of a success than others? Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 His team-mate, 22 year old Eden Hazard, seemed to fare a bit better, being nominated by his peers for the player of the year and young player of the year in his debut season here. Maybe some players are much more of a success than others? Just saying. Ah yes, the 25m Hazard playing for the Champions of Europe, who had the whole pre-season with Chelsea and 29 starts compared to Gaston's 20. I know it's a pointless comparison, but still feel that with a full pre-season, and one or two better players around him, we'll see the real Gaston next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Ah yes, the 25m Hazard playing for the Champions of Europe, who had the whole pre-season with Chelsea and 29 starts compared to Gaston's 20. I know it's a pointless comparison, but still feel that with a full pre-season, and one or two better players around him, we'll see the real Gaston next year. I was comparing Hazard to your mention of Oscar; you made the Ramirez connection, not me. The point being; some players adapt to the Premier League very well right from the start (from Hazard, to £10M Coutinho, to £2M Michu). Some players take time to settle. Some players don't live up to their expectations at all. We'll see which one Ramirez is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Some players settle quickly, get a run in the team, fit in with the players around them straight away, and have huge confidence. Others take a bit longer to settle, and some don't settle at all. Excuse me for not writing a player of Gastons quality off just yet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 Some players settle quickly, get a run in the team, fit in with the players around them straight away, and have huge confidence. Others take a bit longer to settle, and some don't settle at all. Excuse me for not writing a player of Gastons quality off just yet!! Apart from Barry Sanchez I don't think many others are "writing him off" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 if you love saints, how come you never ever seem to be happy? My wife loves me but is never happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 My wife loves me but is never happy. then i'd be worried when she goes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 If he stays he'll be great the season after the season after the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 then i'd be worried when she goes out Jealousy is a wasted emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 8 May, 2013 Share Posted 8 May, 2013 I was comparing Hazard to your mention of Oscar; you made the Ramirez connection, not me. The point being; some players adapt to the Premier League very well right from the start (from Hazard, to £10M Coutinho, to £2M Michu). Some players take time to settle. Some players don't live up to their expectations at all. We'll see which one Ramirez is. Well I don't know about you, but I was posting on a Ramirez thread. Agree with your last three sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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