saint_disco123 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 just been said on twitter by Tancredi Palmeri "Tancredi Palmeri@tancredipalmeri6m Southampton's Gaston Ramirez has been contacted by Fiorentina, according to Sky Italy" Dont see it happening myself unless it was more then we bought him for. still think he needs to a job here just needs time. other peoples thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I consider him a quality player but if we get our money back, I'd sell him and reinvest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 GRs poor performance has been a contributory factor to our low finish. I would stick with him though for another season, however if someone matched his fee and the money facilitated a shovel ready player then I wouldn't be too bothered. He will haunt us though in a CL semi one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Now I admit to being naive on this but isnt this whats's called "tapping up"? Talking to a contracted player without his clubs permission, which often leads to players handing in transfer requests/going on strikes etc to force moves, is surely against the rules and I cant imagine NC would stand for it ... Either im wrong or perhaps, just for speculations sake, he does have permission to speak to clubs in Italy .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If they want him enough, he will go back he has been average here. They will be in the Champions League and he has done well in Italian football if we can get £10m+ then DEAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If they want him enough, he will go back he has been average here. They will be in the Champions League and he has done well in Italian football if we can get £10m+ then DEAL Whats your old username? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 We've carried him for long enough,if the price is right....get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Whats your old username? Bruce Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 For me he's a quality player who doesn't fit Pochettino's style well enough to keep that much money tied up in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Pointless selling now when he has had a season to adjust. See how he does after a full pre season and better players to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_disco123 Posted 7 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2013 well say he stayed and the players we got in the summer were sinclair, lopez etc, do you think he would be able to work with those kind of players AND still keep his place in the squad? discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Pointless selling now when he has had a season to adjust. See how he does after a full pre season and better players to play with. Why does a player need a whole season to adjust...... Used to be 3-4 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Why does a player need a whole season to adjust...... Used to be 3-4 games When was it ever 3-4 games? Which foreign player was that said about? It's kind of an established precedent that many players dont show their best form until their second season in the prem ... should that be Gaston or not is a whole different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 The Ramirez "issue" will be resolved when our dearth of striking options is addressed. Which if Cortese's claims of looking for a European place are to be believed, is likely to be sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Why does a player need a whole season to adjust...... Used to be 3-4 games Mata and Silva both did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Can't say I'd care if he left. He's only really had three good games that stand out since being here (Villa, Everton and Newcastle at home), can't really remember him putting in a decent away performance. Fitness levels are appalling as well, would be interesting to see how many times he's made it past the 60 minute mark when starting the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 No smoke without fire and all that, this link to Fiorentina has been bubbling for quite a while. Expect it's just a matter of when now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 It's fair enough that he has to adapt to the league, but the concerning thing for me is that there has been no improvements over the season. All is well and good saying he will come good next season, but to me that's just wishful thinking. I'd love to see him live up to the hype. But so be it if we sell him, we can purchase better players for the price we paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Mata and Silva both did. Michu didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I wonder how good Delgado would have been had we given him the 2nd season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Would they be able to match his wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Get our money back, play Lallana in the number 10 position, spend the money on a decent winger like Coutinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Michu didn't No, but Mata and Silva did and they are better than Michu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 we wont see the best of Ramirez till we get a striker with pace who likes to play on the shoulder of defenders. think of rodriguez in the cup against chelsea where puncheon threaded a pass through to put him 1v1 vs cech, that never would have happened with lambert as the lone striker, lamberts and ramirezs games just don't compliment each other. i would like to see ramirez given a run in the team with mayuka,rodriguez or maybe even a new pacy purchase played in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 No, but Mata and Silva did and they are better than Michu. Be interesting to see how good Michu is in HIS second season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Mata and Silva both did. I'd have been delighted if Ramirez had gotten anywhere near the levels that Silva and Mata reached in their first seasons here. Silva scored 6 goals and made 15 assists in his first season, 2010-11. He also earned three consecutive Manchester City Player of the Month awards from October to December 2010. Mata scored 12 goals with 20 assists in his first season 2011-12. By contrast, ramirez has 5 goals and 2 assists. Sorry, but there's no comparison for me. Silva and Mata have settled and progressed onwards from that point too, but I can't agree they needed a season to adjust. And like I say, if Ramirez had hit those sorts of numbers all round this would be an entirely different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I consider him a quality player but if we get our money back, I'd sell him and reinvest. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Not fussed either way, there have been flashes of promise but for such a large outlay quite frankly I have been less than impressed. If we get a decent return and someone else has been identified then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I am 100% certain he wont play for us again. All fart and no sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100% Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Cortese is a business man and will want to sell him for a profit and most probably try to get another player and hopefully more successful who plays in a similar position. But I would love him to stay and see if he can develop and if not sell him next season. I think he is a player who we have had glimpses of talent with his touch and passes, eg: Aston Villa his dummy pass v Reading. Ohhhh Gaston Ramirez!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Comparing with Silva is a bit daft cause when he came to Man C it was his 6th year at the highest level. And for the sake of, he had 4 goals and 8 assists in the league. For Mata his first year in Chelsea was his 5th year at highest level. 6 goals, 16 assists in the league. In a top top team you will of course have more assists. For Gaston this is his 3rd year at highest level, and his first year he only started 16 games so he is more new to this level than those other two were. In comparison 5 goals, 3 assists are not THAT bad in a team that also has been struggling and when he´s been out for injuries and other stuff. EVERY year of experience at this level matters, much more than the age on a player IMO. Michu, yes bargain of the year. Hats off to Swansea and Laudrup for bringing him in. He has a lot of experience though but from lower leagues so maybe people should compare him rather with Rickie Lambert than with Gaston.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 we wont see the best of Ramirez till we get a striker with pace who likes to play on the shoulder of defenders. think of rodriguez in the cup against chelsea where puncheon threaded a pass through to put him 1v1 vs cech, that never would have happened with lambert as the lone striker, lamberts and ramirezs games just don't compliment each other. i would like to see ramirez given a run in the team with mayuka,rodriguez or maybe even a new pacy purchase played in front of him Please note, I do not have a second account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Cortese is a business man and will want to sell him for a profit He hasn't sold the club yet, and he'd make a massive profit on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Get rid. Face never fitted. I don't buy this "adjustment" twaddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 All the time, effort and money invested, we could have had two decent CBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I wouldn't be bothered if he went,hasn't really shown anything to make me regret it if he departs and it seems that the manager isn't that fussed about him otherwise he would be playing more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 All the time, effort and money invested, we could have had two decent CBs as if one has something to do with the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Wait and see what the squad looks like at the start of next season before we say he doesn't fit in. I've also heard a few mumblings about him playing deeper in the future as he does for Uruguay at times. We'd need to be a far stronger side for him to be able to do that but perhaps that gives you an indication of what the club will get up to in the summer transfer wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Everywhere in the footballing world except this forum sees Gaston as a top talent and a player well worth having in your team, so it's not really surprising that other clubs are interested in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I am 100% certain he wont play for us again. All fart and no sh*t. Want to bet for a name change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Whats your old username? Adam West? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 You might think I'm mad... But I'd predict a solid second season for Gaston.... And a more difficult second season for Michu... As teams work out how to play 'em. Next year I'd rather have Gaston than Michu... I'd keep him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Now I admit to being naive on this but isnt this whats's called "tapping up"? Talking to a contracted player without his clubs permission, which often leads to players handing in transfer requests/going on strikes etc to force moves, is surely against the rules and I cant imagine NC would stand for it ... Either im wrong or perhaps, just for speculations sake, he does have permission to speak to clubs in Italy .. I take it you don't remember how we signed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I'd be happy to keep him, do enjoy watching him play when he's on form. However, wouldn't be the end of the world if he did move on - there is an opportunity cost there of £12m worth of other talent that we could currently have on our books. My biggest concern isn't that he has the occasional poor game, that can happen to anyone, more that he's never been able to come close to completing 90 mins of football for us. Is he athletic enough to play for Pochettino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Sell him to Fiorentina for £15 million and bring Keisuke Honda in on a free! Simples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 He hasn't sold the club yet, and he'd make a massive profit on that. he doesn't own the club, he is paid employee and can only sell the club is the owners say so. Players on the other hand can be sold if HE wants them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I take it you don't remember how we signed him? We bid, it was leaked to the media. That, although iffy, is different. Im not making moral judgements just curious if they are actually going against the rules here ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Cheers 'en, Gaston. He won't go though, Nicola won't let him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I am 100% certain he wont play for us again. All fart and no sh*t. As a result of this post, I would be willing to put my house on him being here, and being a star performer next year. Shame I don't own a house really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 He has been **** for us, we will get £12 million for him? He on his this season is not worth anywhere near that so we will have to keep him or take a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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