Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Sorry what is your point? Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Winston Churchill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Do you really think i care about whether you, or anyone else agrees with me? You wouldn't waste your time posting if you didn't. By the way, comparing yourself to Churchill just makes you look even more deluded - you are not leading our country to a victory against Hitler... you're just whining about a bloke in a suit you don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 For 1nce I will agree with you. I dont think there are many that dont agree with you on that TBH. The trouble is he seems to be the only one out of our current lot that will do what is needed to make sure the club avoids administration. Knocking 5000 off the home gate and making our side less competitive by getting rid of decent players is a surefire way of avoiding administration! Rupert, you are a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 'Don't take things too seriously. It's only a messageboard'. Wade Garrett Tell that to Lowe. It wasn't so long back his PR company posted on fans messageboards. Perhpas they still do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 For 1nce I will agree with you. I dont think there are many that dont agree with you on that TBH. The trouble is he seems to be the only one out of our current lot that will do what is needed to make sure the club avoids administration. Yes I was very surprised he came back. However something drasticl had to be done and Rupert was given the poisoned chalice. I would have thought somebody like Crouch would not have been able to take all the flack from the fans when unpopular decisions were taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Winston Churchill. Oh I see I thought we were talking about SFC and the mess we are in caused by reckless spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Knocking 5000 off the home gate and making our side less competitive by getting rid of decent players is a surefire way of avoiding administration! Rupert, you are a genius. The team at the moment is in a better position by one place than it finished last season but of course we can still go up or down further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Knocking 5000 off the home gate and making our side less competitive by getting rid of decent players is a surefire way of avoiding administration! Rupert, you are a genius. 5000 stay aways because of rupes? doubt it very much. 5000 stay aways because of money, league position, lack of stars, unknown manager and expected spankings? sounds more like it to me. Can you see it being any different with any of the other main players in the hot seat? All im saying is the club seem to be making the cuts or at least trying too in order to get us inline with our income. I dont like it much but like the alternatives even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Knocking 5000 off the home gate and making our side less competitive by getting rid of decent players is a surefire way of avoiding administration! Rupert, you are a genius. Spending money you do not have is a surefire way to go bust - that is a fact. What Lowe is doing is cutting costs to a point where we might survive. If it's a choice between possible survival and no survival it doesn't need a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to work out, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Oh I see I thought we were talking about SFC and the mess we are in caused by reckless spending. The said spending spree occurring under Judas Wilde and the Execs he appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Tell that to Lowe. It wasn't so long back his PR company posted on fans messageboards. Perhpas they still do.... I think you will find he is not the only one to use the forum in 1 way or another so while you throw that bucket of kak at rupes make sure it spreads around the rest of them wont ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 I think you will find he is not the only one to use the forum in 1 way or another so while you throw that bucket of kak at rupes make sure it spreads around the rest of them wont ya. Are you refering to SaintMarc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Speaking of PR plants, where's Scooby got to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 A fact I think many people are forgetting is that FA Cup receipts are still divided 50-50 between the clubs involved. It's why little non-league teams want Away fixtures at places like OT. If Saints have a capacity crowd of 32,683, they will still only get the receipts for half of that total. So, little or no more money received than from a league fixture. On the bright side, if we had drawn Hartlepool or Histon Whatever, about 3 people would have turned up. And half of that doesn't even make a good night out at the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Are you refering to SaintMarc? Im refering to all of them. This might only be a small section of the fan base but it still gives a good idea on the total fan bases feelings good or bad and it has been used by people at the top, in the wings, coming in or going out and even people who think they have what it takes to buy the club. cant realy just complain that rupes has used the same tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 A fact I think many people are forgetting is that FA Cup receipts are still divided 50-50 between the clubs involved. It's why little non-league teams want Away fixtures at places like OT. If Saints have a capacity crowd of 32,683, they will still only get the receipts for half of that total. So, little or no more money received than from a league fixture. On the bright side, if we had drawn Hartlepool or Histon Whatever, about 3 people would have turned up. And half of that doesn't even make a good night out at the pub. Yes we may have got a small attendance but we may have won got £65K and Man U in the next round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 The said spending spree occurring under Judas Wilde and the Execs he appointed. and Lowe sacking managers and buying players not good enough for the premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Im refering to all of them. This might only be a small section of the fan base but it still gives a good idea on the total fan bases feelings good or bad and it has been used by people at the top, in the wings, coming in or going out and even people who think they have what it takes to buy the club. cant realy just complain that rupes has used the same tactics. Originally Posted by Saint Marc FWIW I heard that Wilde resigned because there was too much media and fan pressure focusing on the investment issue and that this was putting the whole Board under pressure. He resigned to take the heat off the club and its executives and allow them to get on with the job while he carried on working on the investment issue in the background and out of the spotlight. The statement that he resigned because of a failure to raise finance was only issued to try and reduce fans unrealistic expectations. IMO, it was through Wilde's efforts, that PA was clearly aware that his approach would be welcomed rather than shunned and this is a big factor when looking at a potential acquisition. We now know that PA had contact with the club several months ago, before MW's resignation. IMO it is down to Wilde that we now have this opportunity to stabilise and secure the long term future of the club. If this takeover goes through I think we all owe him bigtime. Originally Posted by Saint Marc If that is a genuine question - the Executives have, I believe, in total 50,000 shares owned by David Jones - less than 0.2 of 1% - a negligible figure I think you'll agree. Only LC has a significant shareholding 9.95% of the Club. This is exactly why we need to get the main shareholding groups all represented on the Board. The Board in its present incarnation is more of a hinderance to a takeover IMO rather than of any assistance. Too many monkeys and not enough organ grinders! A situation the Execs have created through their political manoeverings.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc It seems to me that Messrs H & D really think they are the masters of PR and spin. Not a day goes by without some new "leak" or statement designed to further their personal agendas. IMO they seem to have grossly overestimated their PR skills and underestimated the intelligence of their customer base. Their agendas are transparent in the extreme and they have lost all credibility as a result. We need an experienced and financially astute CEO who can get a grip on the finances of the Club and a Chairman commited to the success of SFC. One thing is clear we have neither of these at the moment.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc Thing is it's all gone dramatically downhill since Wilde left. They're all running around now like headless chickens.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc As Brian Bennet said in the Echo today "Right now I would say come back Michael Wilde, as most of us really believed that you would be good for this club" Ever since he resigned the Board have gone downhill, with in-fighting and internal politics, destroying the spirit of our Club. IMO Wilde has been badly let down by all those currently on the Board, most of whom he brought in, both Executives and Non-Executives. I am sure he is looking on in dismay at what is happening - particularly with the Executives seizing control of the PLC Board with a flagrent disregard for his Manifesto. I echo Brian Bennet's sentiment - Wilde was always crucial to the success of our club post-RL and we are now starting to see why. I only hope he steps up to the plate once more and delivers the Club from this ridiculous situation (yet again) as I can't see anyone else out there capable of sorting this out and certainly not anyone on the current Board.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc MW has the DB9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 I think you will find he is not the only one to use the forum in 1 way or another so while you throw that bucket of kak at rupes make sure it spreads around the rest of them wont ya. I think the difference is that rupes used club money to pay for it. Whatever your stance is on lowe, you have to question whether you think thats right or not. Personally i don't and the sneaky way in which he went about using our money to try and trick us into believing what fake fans were posting about him, speaks volumes. He was caught with his pants down and whilst it was ultimatley down to the shareholders, there were many fans on the old Saintsforver, who were sitting on the fence regarding lowe, came down against him on that single issue. So when he talks about the old reigeme ****ing away club money, the olnly thing you can do is laugh. when it comes to pssiing away money at SLH /SFC lowe wins gold medal, infact he is comparible to Steve Redgrave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Yes we may have got a small attendance but we may have won got £65K and Man U in the next round Well yes, I'm not disputing that. The main point was about the split receipts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Originally Posted by Saint Marc FWIW I heard that Wilde resigned because there was too much media and fan pressure focusing on the investment issue and that this was putting the whole Board under pressure. He resigned to take the heat off the club and its executives and allow them to get on with the job while he carried on working on the investment issue in the background and out of the spotlight. The statement that he resigned because of a failure to raise finance was only issued to try and reduce fans unrealistic expectations. IMO, it was through Wilde's efforts, that PA was clearly aware that his approach would be welcomed rather than shunned and this is a big factor when looking at a potential acquisition. We now know that PA had contact with the club several months ago, before MW's resignation. IMO it is down to Wilde that we now have this opportunity to stabilise and secure the long term future of the club. If this takeover goes through I think we all owe him bigtime. Originally Posted by Saint Marc If that is a genuine question - the Executives have, I believe, in total 50,000 shares owned by David Jones - less than 0.2 of 1% - a negligible figure I think you'll agree. Only LC has a significant shareholding 9.95% of the Club. This is exactly why we need to get the main shareholding groups all represented on the Board. The Board in its present incarnation is more of a hinderance to a takeover IMO rather than of any assistance. Too many monkeys and not enough organ grinders! A situation the Execs have created through their political manoeverings.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc It seems to me that Messrs H & D really think they are the masters of PR and spin. Not a day goes by without some new "leak" or statement designed to further their personal agendas. IMO they seem to have grossly overestimated their PR skills and underestimated the intelligence of their customer base. Their agendas are transparent in the extreme and they have lost all credibility as a result. We need an experienced and financially astute CEO who can get a grip on the finances of the Club and a Chairman commited to the success of SFC. One thing is clear we have neither of these at the moment.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc Thing is it's all gone dramatically downhill since Wilde left. They're all running around now like headless chickens.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc As Brian Bennet said in the Echo today "Right now I would say come back Michael Wilde, as most of us really believed that you would be good for this club" Ever since he resigned the Board have gone downhill, with in-fighting and internal politics, destroying the spirit of our Club. IMO Wilde has been badly let down by all those currently on the Board, most of whom he brought in, both Executives and Non-Executives. I am sure he is looking on in dismay at what is happening - particularly with the Executives seizing control of the PLC Board with a flagrent disregard for his Manifesto. I echo Brian Bennet's sentiment - Wilde was always crucial to the success of our club post-RL and we are now starting to see why. I only hope he steps up to the plate once more and delivers the Club from this ridiculous situation (yet again) as I can't see anyone else out there capable of sorting this out and certainly not anyone on the current Board.. Originally Posted by Saint Marc MW has the DB9. well done, your a troll who can pick out quotes by certain people. now run along and find the plants for crouch, fulthorp, wilde before he ran low out of town, tommac, the other one HRH or something, Lowes original ones, Salz and any others you can think of. Or does your attention only stretch to 1 point of view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Well yes, I'm not disputing that. The main point was about the split receipts. Yes totally agree with you but lots of posters think we have landed a huge windfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 I think the difference is that rupes used club money to pay for it. Whatever your stance is on lowe, you have to question whether you think thats right or not. Personally i don't and the sneaky way in which he went about using our money to try and trick us into believing what fake fans were posting about him, speaks volumes. He was caught with his pants down and whilst it was ultimatley down to the shareholders, there were many fans on the old Saintsforver, who were sitting on the fence regarding lowe, came down against him on that single issue. So when he talks about the old reigeme ****ing away club money, the olnly thing you can do is laugh. when it comes to pssiing away money at SLH /SFC lowe wins gold medal, infact he is comparible to Steve Redgrave. I see your point and agree. There is loads I dont want Rupes around for and him slinging sh1t in every direction but his own is laughable. He does himself no favours coming out with yet another previous regime bashing. A simple statement of the bonus cup money will help but not significantly so work still needs to be done would have got a much better response. I cant ever see him saying something like that though so try to ignor most of his waffle and im happier when he keeps his mouth shut and gets on with trying to turn us away from administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 (edited) well done, your a troll who can pick out quotes by certain people. now run along and find the plants for crouch, fulthorp, wilde before he ran low out of town, tommac, the other one HRH or something, Lowes original ones, Salz and any others you can think of. Or does your attention only stretch to 1 point of view? So who is Saint Marc a plant for it is not that clear or are these his own views. Edited 2 December, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Yes totally agree with you but lots of posters think we have landed a huge windfall And we know we haven't. Now if we'd been drawn against Man U at OT...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 So who is Saint Marc a plant for or are these his own views. Saint Marc is supposed to be Wilde I think. Not sure if its been confirmed but thats what is believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Saint Marc is supposed to be Wilde I think. Not sure if its been confirmed but thats what is believed. Steve Grant confirmed it is Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 well done, your a troll who can pick out quotes by certain people. now run along and find the plants for crouch, fulthorp, wilde before he ran low out of town, tommac, the other one HRH or something, Lowes original ones, Salz and any others you can think of. Or does your attention only stretch to 1 point of view? My attention obviously only extends to my point of view. If any of Rupeys Groupies wish to find quotes to match their point of view then they should do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Steve Grant confirmed it is Wilde. Was Wilde. He is posting under his own name now. Please keep up Winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 My attention obviously only extends to my point of view. If any of Rupeys Groupies wish to find quotes to match their point of view then they should do so. thats the kind of attitude that puts you in the same box as scooby IMO. you keep banging the drum about how bad it all is but there still isnt anyone that has come up with a realistic alternative that we can all support. if someone with a bundle of cash seriously and publicly shows an instrest in SFC there will be a tidal wave of support washing out all tire kickers we have at our club. there isnt though and unless you can see that point of view you will continue to rant and rave about utter gumf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Was Wilde. He is posting under his own name now. Please keep up Winston. I'm perfetcly aware of "Michael Wilde", thanks all the same. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=8636 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 He's right of course, but IMO the Forest and Man Utd games are huge for the short and medium term finances. Forest will be a big crowd at 15 quid a ticket and Christmas time. Many who haven't been all season will come back, many who deliberately stayed away will give it a chance. If we perform well and win, many may well keep on going. Then there's the Man Utd game. There or not, all saints fans will see it. If we can put on a half decent display, cause them a few problems, that too could change a few people's minds about our side. Two big crowds, two good performances and we could see a bit of momentum in the support....hopefully. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Saint Marc is supposed to be Wilde I think. Not sure if its been confirmed but thats what is believed. I thought it maybe so they are his own views. Some of the postings seemed realistic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 He's right of course, but IMO the Forest and Man Utd games are huge for the short and medium term finances. Forest will be a big crowd at 15 quid a ticket and Christmas time. Many who haven't been all season will come back, many who deliberately stayed away will give it a chance. If we perform well and win, many may well keep on going. Then there's the Man Utd game. There or not, all saints fans will see it. If we can put on a half decent display, cause them a few problems, that too could change a few people's minds about our side. Two big crowds, two good performances and we could see a bit of momentum in the support....hopefully. As we are averaging 14000, we would need to sell a further 6000 at £15 just to make up the difference. If we exceed that amount, then it will open the door to more dicounted games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 I thought Saint_Marc was that photocopier salesman bloke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 A fact I think many people are forgetting is that FA Cup receipts are still divided 50-50 between the clubs involved. It's worse than that, it's 45% each, with 10% for the FA 'pool'!! Rule 22 (iii) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows: 45% to each Club competing in the match. 10% to the Pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 It's worse than that, it's 45% each, with 10% for the FA 'pool'!! Rule 22 (iii) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows: 45% to each Club competing in the match. 10% to the Pool. Excellent. Not such a windfall for the PLC afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 It's worse than that, it's 45% each, with 10% for the FA 'pool'!! Rule 22 (iii) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows: 45% to each Club competing in the match. 10% to the Pool. Well there you go then. Even worse. Nothing to get excited about. We might not even get a capacity crowd anyway, if it's on TV. No wonder some tiny clubs ask for the matches to be played at the opposition's ground, or a neutral venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Do you really think i care about whether you, or anyone else agrees with me? I know i'm right and when you know you are right about something you must stand by your convictions "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill. "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill. "One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" Winston Churchill. "Stanley knows nothing about football and the way it all works." Nelson Mandela. "Stanley hath no knowledge 'bout the real world, instead he sits in his room and lives a life less ordinary." Mark Twain "Stanley's a muppet." Oscar Wilde "Stan's a ****muncher." Cartmen, South Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Just out of interest - given that Lowe is often accused of: 1. Having an ego the size of a planet 2. Holding many fans in contempt 3. in it for personal glory and all he can get out of it financially ....surely logic would dictate that what Lowe wants most of all instead of 'ruining' the club would be promotion .... to satisfy: 1. His ego as teh saviour of Saints 2. A big two fingured 'feck off' to us fans held in so much contempt 3. Bonuses and dividends for him and his shareholding buddies... So can someone please explain the logic behind the opinion that he is simply out to ruin us....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Well there you go then. Even worse. Nothing to get excited about. We might not even get a capacity crowd anyway, if it's on TV. No wonder some tiny clubs ask for the matches to be played at the opposition's ground, or a neutral venue. TV might not play that much of a role as its on Sultana. Not as many people have that and I cant see many signing up for a year. I am going to spend my money on travel and see the game at SMS rather than get sultana so at least 1 more seat will be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Excellent. Not such a windfall for the PLC afterall. You must be having sleepless nights worrying about what the knock on effect would be if we actualy won this game. That thought makes me feel a lot better.:smt036 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Just out of interest - given that Lowe is often accused of: 1. Having an ego the size of a planet 2. Holding many fans in contempt 3. in it for personal glory and all he can get out of it financially ....surely logic would dictate that what Lowe wants most of all instead of 'ruining' the club would be promotion .... to satisfy: 1. His ego as teh saviour of Saints 2. A big two fingured 'feck off' to us fans held in so much contempt 3. Bonuses and dividends for him and his shareholding buddies... So can someone please explain the logic behind the opinion that he is simply out to ruin us....? Stanley thinks he's the anti-christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Yep, I'd be whinging exactly the same way even if Saints won every match. Fixed it for you Alps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Stanley thinks he's the anti-christ. Ar... That would explain it then ;-) Seriously though its at the crux of what I never understood - sure , you dont ahve to like him, his attitude and his approach, you can criticise his mistakes as we see them, but ultimately he wants the exact same as us albeit perhaps for different reasons - whether he can deliver is another matter, but I dont think he can ever be accuse dof not wanting the success we do... just has an odd way of thinking as to how it will be achieved... and is that worth the kind of quite pathetic (considering this is football) hatred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Three teams do get relegated every season and unfortunately it was our turn in 2005 like it was in 1974 Can't believe apparently sensible people continue to write such crap. So it was preordained that we would be relegated in 2005, really that takes the biscuit. Unless you are Glenn Hoddle you cannot expect anyone to take such comments seriously. Your pov suggests that managers, player, the board had nothing to do with our relegation, it was just our turn. So when is it Everton's turn? When will Arsenal take their turn or Liverpool (at least Manure did take a turn in 1974 with us). Really don't see how it was our turn in 1974 either, was it preordained that the league would change the rules to relegate 3 teams from that season just so Saints could have their turn? FFS start to see that Lowe and his mates were and still are the main reason not only for our relegation but our continuing financial woes. We have a poor businessman running a football club, with no ideas how to generate investment or additional revenue from existing revenue streams. but can only see the worn-out principle of cutting costs so beloved by many CEOs around the world. The truly successful and morally good businessmen are those who can be positive and see good things that can be done to turn around the business without necessarily getting rid of staff or ****ing off customers. The failures are those who see only the negative way forward of improving the bottom line, and Lowe has demonstrated again by his reaction to the article in the Echo that he is financially and morally bereft of good ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 5000 stay aways because of rupes? doubt it very much. 5000 stay aways because of money, league position, lack of stars, unknown manager and expected spankings? sounds more like it to me. Can you see it being any different with any of the other main players in the hot seat? All im saying is the club seem to be making the cuts or at least trying too in order to get us inline with our income. I dont like it much but like the alternatives even less. If Crouch was still in charge, and Pearson still manager, I don't believe that crowds would have dipped below 20,000. Cuts would still have had to be made, but with more matchday revenue perhaps not so savage. And if an unknown manager is a contributory factor for our poor attendances then who do you blame for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Stanley thinks he's the anti-christ. and that you're smug double glazing salesman with no orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Can't believe apparently sensible people continue to write such crap. So it was preordained that we would be relegated in 2005, really that takes the biscuit. Unless you are Glenn Hoddle you cannot expect anyone to take such comments seriously. Your pov suggests that managers, player, the board had nothing to do with our relegation, it was just our turn. So when is it Everton's turn? When will Arsenal take their turn or Liverpool (at least Manure did take a turn in 1974 with us). Really don't see how it was our turn in 1974 either, was it preordained that the league would change the rules to relegate 3 teams from that season just so Saints could have their turn? FFS start to see that Lowe and his mates were and still are the main reason not only for our relegation but our continuing financial woes. We have a poor businessman running a football club, with no ideas how to generate investment or additional revenue from existing revenue streams. but can only see the worn-out principle of cutting costs so beloved by many CEOs around the world. The truly successful and morally good businessmen are those who can be positive and see good things that can be done to turn around the business without necessarily getting rid of staff or ****ing off customers. The failures are those who see only the negative way forward of improving the bottom line, and Lowe has demonstrated again by his reaction to the article in the Echo that he is financially and morally bereft of good ideas. Can't believe apparently sensible people continue to write such crap. You obviously live in a different world to the majority running a football club is not easy . Lowe is running the club as most Chairman would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Can't believe apparently sensible people continue to write such crap. So it was preordained that we would be relegated in 2005, really that takes the biscuit. Unless you are Glenn Hoddle you cannot expect anyone to take such comments seriously. Your pov suggests that managers, player, the board had nothing to do with our relegation, it was just our turn. So when is it Everton's turn? When will Arsenal take their turn or Liverpool (at least Manure did take a turn in 1974 with us). Really don't see how it was our turn in 1974 either, was it preordained that the league would change the rules to relegate 3 teams from that season just so Saints could have their turn? FFS start to see that Lowe and his mates were and still are the main reason not only for our relegation but our continuing financial woes. We have a poor businessman running a football club, with no ideas how to generate investment or additional revenue from existing revenue streams. but can only see the worn-out principle of cutting costs so beloved by many CEOs around the world. The truly successful and morally good businessmen are those who can be positive and see good things that can be done to turn around the business without necessarily getting rid of staff or ****ing off customers. The failures are those who see only the negative way forward of improving the bottom line, and Lowe has demonstrated again by his reaction to the article in the Echo that he is financially and morally bereft of good ideas. Top post. Our John B is so far up Lowes arse he's lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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