Mr X Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Bit of a lame season really. You could argue that pochettino has got us up a level playing wise but what is the use if you can't beat sides you should be. That said we can only judge him on next season. We should have finished much stronger though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Norwich fans will be bricking it. If they don't beat WBA (who we learnt is not as easy as it sounds) then their is sh!t town. Knowing football it will be someone like Fulham who go down. Think we'll get at least a point in the next two but I fancy 4 points with an away win at Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Get the moneybags on their way to Swansea!! The prize money they could receive from others in the Prem would be enough to expand their stadium right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 I have just done the predictor (giving us a draw at Sunderland) and get it like this going into the final matches: 11. Stoke 41 -11 12. Saints 40 -11 13. Fulham 40 -13 14. Villa 40 -23 15. S'land 39 -12 16. N'wch 39 -22 17. N'cstle 39 -23 18. Wigan 38 -23 Also; 3. Arsenal 70 33 4. Chelski 69 34 5. Spuds 69 19 I would definitely take this!! Even thought he likes of Alpine, Dalek, Blakey, etc, would still predict us to go down it would mean to do so we would have to lose at home to Stoke (who would be safe) by about 14-0 whilst: Norwich would have to win away to Citeh; Sunderland would have to win away at Spuds (who would be desperate to win); Newcastle would need to beat Arsenal (who would need to win to guarantee CL next season); Wigan to beat Villa by one goal. Of course, Wigan could get something at the Emirates - meaning Arsenal would be more desperate for points on the final day; Newcastle might beat QPR away (I predict a draw); Norwich could beat WBA (again, I predicted a draw); we could lose to Sunderland (which MIGHT, if all the other results start to go against us, be squeeky bum time going into the last week). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 As some others have said I've got Norwich going down, but given our record against the sides around us I think it's going to be a quite uncomfortable finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 if it is like that in the final game, we are safe as villa/wigan play each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 if it is like that in the final game, we are safe as villa/wigan play each other Unless we lose/Wigan win by a combined 15 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 if it is like that in the final game, we are safe as villa/wigan play each other This. If we go into the Stoke game level on points with one of Villa and Wigan and a point ahead of the other, we are safe. (assuming we avoid a 13-0 defeat against Stoke or something mental) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Unless we lose/Wigan win by a combined 15 goals. Well, not really. If we lost 8-0 and Wigan won 7-0, that would damage Villa's GD almost as much as our own and we'd stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Well, not really. If we lost 8-0 and Wigan won 7-0, that would damage Villa's GD almost as much as our own and we'd stay up. Yes, you're right, I stand corrected. As I originally said, we would go down if Wigan won by a single goal and we lost by 14, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 As an aside, with so many teams close, there must be a fair chance of at least one match on the final day having the potential as an "agreed" draw giving both teams a guarantee of what they need. Just say it were to be us and Stoke. How would you feel if we passed the ball around aimlessly all afternoon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 (edited) I feel I should point out that Swansea managed to carve out a respectable point against Man City yesterday - a beach team would have lost that game, even if City don't have a lot to play for. Edited 5 May, 2013 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 I feel I should point out that Swansea managed to carve out a respectable win against Man City yesterday - a beach team would have lost that game, even if City don't have a lot to play for. I thought they drew 0-0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 I feel I should point out that Swansea managed to carve out a respectable win against Man City yesterday - a beach team would have lost that game, even if City don't have a lot to play for. Yeah - they are also the first team to win a game without scoring a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 My bad - meant point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Need Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea to do the business on Wigan, Newcastle, Sunderland, Villa and Stoke. A win for Spurs at Chelsea would be great. Come on you Cockneys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 It will go to the last day, but too many on here are basing everything on the assumption we will lose both our games. If we lose to Sunderland and Stoke then there's no point us being in this league. I can see Wigan escaping, Norwich could be in the most trouble though Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Just need Wigan to not beat swansea Norwich to not beat WBA Newcastle to not beat QPR (they probably will) and sunderland to not beat stoke tomorrow surely, at least 2/4 of those can happen? how about sunderland and stoke to not beat saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 My bad - meant point. Your bad for saying "my bad"........unless you are American Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Your bad for saying "my bad"........unless you are American And you're bad for saying... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 And you're bad for saying... ? "Your" not "you're" bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallBoy Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 The big problem is that we were all becoming mentally attuned to looking up rather than down. The teams performances against West Ham and WBA in particular reflected that. We need to change that mindset and start playing like a relegation threatened team again. That is not as easy as it sounds. Recently Wigan, Villa and Sunderalnd have all shown that attitude and won crucial games. Sunderland are the classic example of what happens when they relax again (6-1 at Villa). That makes our game against them both fascinating and worrying. Which manager can get the attitude of his team right? I suspect that Di Canio will not get it wrong twice. I don't want to be going into the Stoke game still needing something but I think that is probably going to be the reality. For what it's worth I think Fulham are in freefall and games at home to Liverpool and away to Swansea look like a real challenge to them. We would still need to get another point to finish above them if they lose both. Despite relative positions in the table Fulham are my outside bet for relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Here are my predictions for the bottom of the table matches together with my final table when I used the BBC predictor for all fixtures: Fulham Liverpool (H) 1-2 Swansea (A) 0-1 Villa Chelsea (H) 1-2 Wigan (A) 1-1 Stoke Suinderland (A) 1-2 Spurs (H) 1-2 Saints (A) 0-2 Saints Sunderland (A) 1-1 Stoke (H) 2-0 Norwich WBA (H) 1-1 Man City (A) 0-2 Newcastle QPR (A) 0-0 Arsenal (H) 0-2 Sunderland Stoke (H) 2-1 Saints (H) 1-1 Spurs (A) 0-2 Wigan Swansea (H) 2-1 Arsenal (A) 0-2 Villa (H) 1-1 Prediction: Of course, if we lose to Sunderland it could be a bit different, but either way, even if we lose both remaining fixtures we should still be safe - if only on goal difference! In terms of the teams who are at real risk of relegation I think it is probably too close to call between Newcastle, Norwich and Wigan.... If Newcastle beat QPR they should be safe. If Norwich beat West Brom, they too should be safe. This would leave Wigan needing to beat Aston Villa for safety Incidentally, only if those three things happen and we lost both our remaining fixtures would we be anything but safe! In fact just a single draw should be enough to at least finish above Aston Villa on goal difference (unless you think Villa will get anything out of the game against Chelsea!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 Here are my predictions for the bottom of the table matches together with my final table when I used the BBC predictor for all fixtures: Fulham Liverpool (H) 1-2 Swansea (A) 0-1 Villa Chelsea (H) 1-2 Wigan (A) 1-1 Stoke Suinderland (A) 1-2 Spurs (H) 1-2 Saints (A) 0-2 Saints Sunderland (A) 1-1 Stoke (H) 2-0 Norwich WBA (H) 1-1 Man City (A) 0-2 Newcastle QPR (A) 0-0 Arsenal (H) 0-2 Sunderland Stoke (H) 2-1 Saints (H) 1-1 Spurs (A) 0-2 Wigan Swansea (H) 2-1 Arsenal (A) 0-2 Villa (H) 1-1 Prediction: Of course, if we lose to Sunderland it could be a bit different, but either way, even if we lose both remaining fixtures we should still be safe - if only on goal difference! In terms of the teams who are at real risk of relegation I think it is probably too close to call between Newcastle, Norwich and Wigan.... If Newcastle beat QPR they should be safe. If Norwich beat West Brom, they too should be safe. This would leave Wigan needing to beat Aston Villa for safety Incidentally, only if those three things happen and we lost both our remaining fixtures would we be anything but safe! In fact just a single draw should be enough to at least finish above Aston Villa on goal difference (unless you think Villa will get anything out of the game against Chelsea!) Never make any assumptions in football, as Dalek rightly says. The only assumption it is reasonable to make is that all of Wigan, Newcastle and Norwich will end up on more than 39 points. All other assumptions are mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 May, 2013 Share Posted 5 May, 2013 As an aside, with so many teams close, there must be a fair chance of at least one match on the final day having the potential as an "agreed" draw giving both teams a guarantee of what they need. Just say it were to be us and Stoke. How would you feel if we passed the ball around aimlessly all afternoon? Happy, as long as in the third minute of injury time we long balled the ball up to Rickie to head in for a sneaky 1-0 win. Beat them with their own weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I can't believe people thought we were safe. You only had to look at our run in to see that we had a whole load of games that we'd f*ck up. We always struggle against the teams around us. I lashed £80 on us to go down at 100-1. I'm absolutely convinced that we're down. Wigan will win their remaining fixtures, they always turn it on for the last 4 or 5 games and escape at the death. We'll lose at Sunderland and lose or draw against Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If we can't beat either Sunderland or Stoke then we don't deserve to stay up anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I'm absolutely convinced that we're down. are you convinced Norwich will get points from WBA and Man City then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I can't believe people thought we were safe. You only had to look at our run in to see that we had a whole load of games that we'd f*ck up. We always struggle against the teams around us. I lashed £80 on us to go down at 100-1. I'm absolutely convinced that we're down. Wigan will win their remaining fixtures, they always turn it on for the last 4 or 5 games and escape at the death. We'll lose at Sunderland and lose or draw against Stoke. There's a very good chance you'll lose your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 (edited) Fulham Liverpool (H) L 0-2 Swansea (A) D 1-1 Villa Chelsea (H) L 1-3 Wigan (A) L 2-1 Stoke Spurs (H) D 1-1 Saints (A) L 2-0 Saints Sunderland (A) D 1-1 Stoke (H) W 2-0 Norwich WBA (H) W 2-1 Man City (A) L 4-0 Newcastle QPR (A) D 1-1 Arsenal (H) L 2-0 Sunderland Saints (H) D 1-1 Spurs (A) L 2-0 Wigan Swansea (H) W 2-1 Arsenal (A) L 3-1 Villa (H) W 2-1 Finishes..... Saints 43 Stoke 42 Fulham 41 Wigan 41 Norwich 41 Villa 40 Sunderland 39 Newcastle 39 Reading 28 QPR 27 Edited 7 May, 2013 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 are you convinced Norwich will get points from WBA and Man City then? No, he's a lying idiot. Same as alpine, Blakey and Dalek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Fulham Liverpool (H) L 0-2 Swansea (A) D 1-1 Villa Chelsea (H) L 1-3 Wigan (A) L 2-1 Stoke Spurs (H) D 1-1 Saints (A) L 2-0 Saints Sunderland (A) D 1-1 Stoke (H) W 2-1 Norwich WBA (H) W 2-1 Man City (A) L 4-0 Newcastle QPR (A) D 1-1 Arsenal (H) L 2-0 Sunderland Saints (H) D 1-1 Spurs (A) L 2-0 Wigan Swansea (H) W 2-1 Arsenal (A) L 3-1 Villa (H) W 2-1 Finishes..... Saints 43 Stoke 42 Fulham 41 Wigan 41 Norwich 41 Villa 40 Sunderland 39 Newcastle 39 Reading 28 QPR 27 Clever of Saints to beat Stoke 2 1 whilst Stoke lose 2 0 to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Clever of Saints to beat Stoke 2 1 whilst Stoke lose 2 0 to Saints. You misquoted me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 You misquoted me So useful to be able to rewrite history. It was Saints 3 WBA 0 wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 So useful to be able to rewrite history. It was Saints 3 WBA 0 wasn't it? If only ! We'd be pretty much safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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