Whitey Grandad Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I cannot see the players achieving much next season under the kind of pressure Pochettino has put them thru. Initial good results sees us unable to win games, score goals. Thia isn't due to the increased training, pressure but to his team selection and wrongly timed substitutions.He seems not to know his best players now he's moving on from Nigel's selections. Sadly I don't see Pochettino as the one to take us to a new level. That 'new level' might be the Championship.
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 You obviously didnt go today because we were certainly up for the fight. Commitment was excellent. Nope you'r right I didnt go, couldn't get a ticket in our end and didn't much want to sit in the home end with my spurs supporting friends, though I did watch the entirety of the game, thanks. I think we showed plenty today, agreed, but feel we should have had more from a few of our recent games with last week being abysmal. My opnion remains that i'd prefer to have Adkins giving the teamtalks. It's his team and he's proven he had it in him to get the lads going for important games. Pochettino may well become world class but the risk is, albeit a slim one for sure, we lose out before he gets a chance to make his mark.
ART Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Anyone who can't see we are a better team under MP is frankly not really worth listening to. Is this the conclusion you come to based on studying psychology or turning to over-educated arrogance from a privileged upbringing? 5 years ago I really took in your pronouncements, but can't believe the direction you're heading. That statement was appalling coming from you Charlie
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 (edited) Is this the conclusion you come to based on studying psychology or turning to over-educated arrogance from a privileged upbringing? 5 years ago I really took in your pronouncements, but can't believe the direction you're heading. That statement was appalling coming from you Charlie Upwey was saying the commitment wasnt there which was just wrong, it was! We were very good day and beaten by the best player in the league. Adkins did the teamtallk vs Spurs at SMS and we stood off them and were demolished first half. Pochettino did it this time and we were far, far better. Edited 4 May, 2013 by Saint Charlie
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Upwey was saying the commitment wasnt there which was just wrong, it was! We were very good day and beaten by the best player in the league. So what was the excuse last week against WBA ?
ART Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Upwey was saying the commitment wasnt there which was just wrong, it was! We were very good day and beaten by the best player in the league. I thoroughly agree that we played well., especially in the absence of Morgan and Yoshida. I really thought we would win but Pochettino failed to changed things fast enough to take advantage of Spurs being half asleep. By the time he did it was far too late.
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Upwey was saying the commitment wasnt there which was just wrong, it was! We were very good day and beaten by the best player in the league. Adkins did the teamtallk vs Spurs at SMS and we stood off them and were demolished first half. Pochettino did it this time and we were far, far better. That was after your comment he was referring too. Lets not be misleading folks Either way I still stick with my opinion i'd be more comfortable with NA in the situation we're in, I didn't say a word about the quality of the football or committment against spurs. My point was, just so we're clear, two games we need a couple of big performances the decisions timing is looking more and more risky. Hindsight being twenty twenty and all that
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 My point was, just so we're clear, two games we need a couple of big performances the decisions timing is looking more and more risky. Hindsight being twenty twenty and all that But its not hindsight is it ? Many said this at the time.
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 But its not hindsight is it ? Many said this at the time. I was among them but im just saying there's no point me banging that drum. It's happened. Unless we suddenly get offered the chance of being a fans trust without having to pay a penny to buy the club Cortese runs the show and his decisions are his decisions. Either way I hope Poch takes three points from our sunderland trip and gets the chance to start thinking about next season, honestly not among the few on here who take glee in us failing, mentioning no names ...
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I was among them but im just saying there's no point me banging that drum. It's happened. Unless we suddenly get offered the chance of being a fans trust without having to pay a penny to buy the club Cortese runs the show and his decisions are his decisions. Either way I hope Poch takes three points from our sunderland trip and gets the chance to start thinking about next season, honestly not among the few on here who take glee in us failing, mentioning no names ... I take no satisfaction from this either, if this is directed at my earlier reply, but I feel this might have been avoided. Christ on a bike, it was hard enough returning to this league.
Charlie Wayman Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Nigel's getting things moving nicely at the Madjeski, great win today and if you're reading this Nigel... Nice One!
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Nigel's getting things moving nicely at the Madjeski, great win today and if you're reading this Nigel... Nice One! Well, they have been working very hard on the training ground.
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I take no satisfaction from this either, if this is directed at my earlier reply, but I feel this might have been avoided. Christ on a bike, it was hard enough returning to this league. Oh not you. Wrong end of the stick, I meant the usual forum doom mongers who've predicted our demise for the last three years week in week out
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Nigel's getting things moving nicely at the Madjeski, great win today and if you're reading this Nigel... Nice One! They have a bunch of honest hard working players, looking to win games in the Barclays premier league. They never under estimate their opponents and are likely to have a debrief Monday before drawing a blue line under it
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 They have a bunch of honest hard working players, looking to win games in the Barclays premier league. They never under estimate their opponents and are likely to have a debrief Monday before drawing a blue line under it "ido bien desde que estoy en el edificio" Spanish for "done well since I've been in the builsing" According to Google translate. In case MP is reading this and wants to borrow it.
Olallana Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Well, they have been working very hard on the training ground. You forgot to start the sentence with "listen".
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 "ido bien desde que estoy en el edificio" Spanish for "done well since I've been in the builsing" According to Google translate. In case MP is reading this and wants to borrow it. think he could learn a few things from Nigel
ART Posted 5 May, 2013 Posted 5 May, 2013 I believe Nigel's sacking will one day come to haunt us as he's going to be one of the top English managers. We wrote off a player, Kevin Davis 10 years ago, but he's given Bolton 10 marvelous years of service. People learn, get on top of their weaknesses. I can't see Pochettino ever doing this at our club.
ART Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 Tonight our 2 last opponents are playing one another. The likes of Harry Redknapp. Pardew and even Nigel would be at the game. What are the odds that Pochettino will be up there wathing both teams and sussing out how we are going to get maximum points off of them both?
Bearsy Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 Would a duck beat a big pigeon in a judo match? Fucking stupid question! It would take 3 or 4 pigeons working co-ordinated team judo to stand even smallest chance against fully grown duck.
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 Fucking stupid question! It would take 3 or 4 pigeons working co-ordinated team judo to stand even smallest chance against fully grown duck. depends what kind of duck though.
Badger Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 I believe Nigel's sacking will one day come to haunt us as he's going to be one of the top English managers. We wrote off a player, Kevin Davis 10 years ago, but he's given Bolton 10 marvelous years of service. People learn, get on top of their weaknesses. I can't see Pochettino ever doing this at our club. Agreed.
kpturner Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 I can't see Pochettino ever doing this at our club.out of interest, why not?
Olallana Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 Tonight our 2 last opponents are playing one another. The likes of Harry Redknapp. Pardew and even Nigel would be at the game. What are the odds that Pochettino will be up there wathing both teams and sussing out how we are going to get maximum points off of them both? Welcome to the 21st century where the tools for watching and analyzing football games are "slightly" different to when you were young..... And why mention Redknapp, a manager that arrrives 15 minutes into the game and leaves 15 minutes before the game ends, when it´s his own team playing!!!
Jones91 Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 I bet you do. Funnily enough MP was fortunate enough to inherit a team that had found its feet in the league and was getting great results and performing well. NA at the start of the Prem season had to do that leg work. Last 14/First 14 is far fairer as the team is more similar over those games. Lastly, one could easily argue, as Adkins influence diminishes over the weeks, the team is getting worse. We've scored one goal in five games. we've scored 3 goals in 5 games
DuncanRG Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 I think Adkins could be a great manager but I'm sure that Pochettino will be even better. It just depends whether he does it with us or someone else.
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 we've scored 3 goals in 5 games I do apologise. One goal in four. Three in five is clearly a Champions League scoring rate.
Olallana Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 I do apologise. One goal in four. Three in five is clearly a Champions League scoring rate. But the thing was that we didn´t perform well the last month under NA. We got some decent/good results but really only played well in one game. Sunderland at home, 0-1. No comments needed. Fulham away, 1-1. Dire dire dire, saved by a former Saints stupid handball. Stoke away, 3-3. Decent attacking, but gifts from Stoke on two goals. Then terrible defending, and the wrong guy in goal made us not win that one. Arsenal at home, 1-1. The good game in my view. Probably one of our better this season before MP. Chelsea at home, 1-5. Cup, didn´t play our best team but never a good performance. Villa away, 1-0. Better result than performance, lucky that Benteke in these weeks were off form and couldn´t score. Chelsea away, 2-2. Battered completely in first half, should´ve been 4-0 to Chelsea. Lucky to get away with a draw, only had two good oppurtunities and luckily we scored on both.
Turkish Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 What people need to remember is a good team doesn't become a bad one overnight, likewise an average team doesn't become a great one. Whoever the manager is he is only as good as the players on the pitch and MP is doing it with Adkins team, a team which can hold its own in this league when everyone is fit and on form but lacks depth and options outside of our first XI. Talk of top half finishes and this team challenging the top 6 is deluded beyond all belief, we've seen this blind faith that we are paying so much better under MP bu results since he's been here don't bear that out. MP might be the man to take us to the fabled next level, he might not be, we can't really judge yet until he's had the chance to bring in his own players, 14 games is no time to decide if he is a wonder coach or not what he's been billed as. What is certain though is that should the unthinkable happen and we do go down, then replacing Adkins at that time was a catastrophe.
Chez Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 But the thing was that we didn´t perform well the last month under NA. We got some decent/good results but really only played well in one game. Sunderland at home, 0-1. No comments needed. Fulham away, 1-1. Dire dire dire, saved by a former Saints stupid handball. Stoke away, 3-3. Decent attacking, but gifts from Stoke on two goals. Then terrible defending, and the wrong guy in goal made us not win that one. Arsenal at home, 1-1. The good game in my view. Probably one of our better this season before MP. Chelsea at home, 1-5. Cup, didn´t play our best team but never a good performance. Villa away, 1-0. Better result than performance, lucky that Benteke in these weeks were off form and couldn´t score. Chelsea away, 2-2. Battered completely in first half, should´ve been 4-0 to Chelsea. Lucky to get away with a draw, only had two good oppurtunities and luckily we scored on both. we were good in the second half at Fulham and deserved our point. I thought we did well at Stoke too. It took a wonder goal to prevent us taking all three points. Also a very harsh description of our showing at Chelsea. We were very good in that game.
Saint Charlie Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 we were good in the second half at Fulham and deserved our point. I thought we did well at Stoke too. It took a wonder goal to prevent us taking all three points. Also a very harsh description of our showing at Chelsea. We were very good in that game. Tactically second half at Stoke was worst all year, we sat back so much it played into their hands.
doggface Posted 6 May, 2013 Posted 6 May, 2013 That was Nigel's downfall imo. In both League 1 and Championship, once we got in the league we often sat back and defended. It often worked (**** strikers), it sometimes didnt - there were alot of heart in the mouth moments and thankfully Kelv is good at 1 on 1's. Nigel clearly though this would work in the prem. That for me was the beginning of the end.
SaintBobby Posted 7 May, 2013 Posted 7 May, 2013 The difference for me - although I was mortified by Adkins' sacking - is that I could never see Nigel getting us to much above 14th/15th in the top flight. I think MP might well do better than that. Not necessarily, but very possibly. The untested question is strength in attracting top players. I'm open-minded on this, but think MP may be stronger than Adkins here too.
SaintRichmond Posted 7 May, 2013 Posted 7 May, 2013 Anyone who can't see we are a better team under MP is frankly not really worth listening to. Yes, I quite agree Under MP, we have dropped down the table to 14th, 4 points above the drop (pre Wigan v Swansea ) ...... but everybody dismisses this as a "glitch" because we are a better "Team" ... So what ? It's League points that count, and they are currently in very short supply. Pochettino seems to be living in the Future, dreaming of Champions League, whereas, this may soon turn out to be his Chumpions League. His "high press" tactic seems to have been well sussed and nullified by our opponents, and there does not appear to be any plan B around. Apart from that, he has his finger well and truly on the pulse, and is doing so much better than Mr Adkins, that there is no worthy comparison to be made
Olallana Posted 7 May, 2013 Posted 7 May, 2013 Yes, I quite agree Under MP, we have dropped down the table to 14th, 4 points above the drop (pre Wigan v Swansea ) ...... but everybody dismisses this as a "glitch" because we are a better "Team" ... So what ? It's League points that count, and they are currently in very short supply. Pochettino seems to be living in the Future, dreaming of Champions League, whereas, this may soon turn out to be his Chumpions League. His "high press" tactic seems to have been well sussed and nullified by our opponents, and there does not appear to be any plan B around. Apart from that, he has his finger well and truly on the pulse, and is doing so much better than Mr Adkins, that there is no worthy comparison to be made To the highlighted above....
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