The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Pochettino's first 14 games: W4 D5 L5, 17 points. Adkins' last 14 games: W4 D6 L4, 18 points. After our early improvement under MP and some epic wins, our form of late has seen us regress somewhat. MP's form so far of 1.2 points per game is also slipping dangerously closer to NA's whole season record of 1 point per game.
monosaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Here we go. Somebody trying to justify that NA should have been kept. Nobody knows what NA would have achieved. Let's move on and worry about the future.
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 Here we go. Somebody trying to justify that NA should have been kept. Nobody knows what NA would have achieved. Let's move on and worry about the future. Probably best you don't assume things of others, buddy. I don't Adkins was the man to take us forwards, and I think MP is a better long term option. Just pointing out some stats.
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Here we go. Somebody trying to justify that NA should have been kept. Nobody knows what NA would have achieved. Let's move on and worry about the future. I agree that what NA might have achieved is entirely hypothetical, but after the appalling WBA show last week, and our slide back towards danger , I still question the wisdom of sacking NA, and wonder if we have moved as far forward as some, including the media, want to portray.
CWD Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Interesting stats, but that's all it is. I think most people would agree that we've been playing better football under MP. My only concern is how we play against the average sides. Reading aside, who are awful, we haven't beaten any teams around us since MP took charge. Lets hope this changes next Sunday...
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Probably best you don't assume things of others, buddy. I don't Adkins was the man to take us forwards, and I think MP is a better long term option. Just pointing out some stats. I see it the other way round to be honest. MP has had a short term impact, and I hope it continues in to next season. Long term however I simply don't think MP will be here 'long term' , he'll be back to Spain if the right offer comes up, (not sure I'd blame him either, language etc), or NC will get irritable and want to 'move on to the next level' etc. Over 3-5 years I'd have preferred sticking with NA, as I think the club would progress with stability (as Everton under Moyes) rather than having two or three management upheavals in that period. Don't expect too many to agree as they've bought into the 'dream project' etc.
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 I see it the other way round to be honest. MP has had a short term impact, and I hope it continues in to next season. Long term however I simply don't think MP will be here 'long term' , he'll be back to Spain if the right offer comes up, (not sure I'd blame him either, language etc), or NC will get irritable and want to 'move on to the next level' etc. Over 3-5 years I'd have preferred sticking with NA, as I think the club would progress with stability (as Everton under Moyes) rather than having two or three management upheavals in that period. Don't expect too many to agree as they've bought into the 'dream project' etc. I think Adkins at least deserved to see the season out. And with hindsight (and these stats) its hard to argue against that; although MP will have learnt an awful lot more about this squad than had he (or another manager) come in during the summer.
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I wont go into the MP or NA debate, love NA but it is what it is. I think Poch has been a little unlucky, think swansea or today. It's how we respond that counts. I thought we looked much better then against wba and hopefully, up at sunderland, we can put in a similar performance and get a result.
Saint Benali Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 How many of those games were against top 6 teams? MP Man Utd Man City Everton Spurs Chelsea AD Arsenal Chelsea Nice trolling again Kraken
skintsaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 what are the stats on goals for and against in those games? I feel we are much tighter at the back (apart from WBA!) but seem to be scoring less since Pochettino has come in...I might be wrong though, just seems that way.
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 How many of those games were against top 6 teams? MP Man Utd Man City Everton Spurs Chelsea AD Arsenal Chelsea Nice trolling again Kraken How is it trolling, you delicate flower? Its a discussion point. Dear me. Is Badger trolling because he thinks Adkins shouldn't have been sacked? Not everyone has the same opinion as you, you know. Thankfully.
monosaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Probably best you don't assume things of others, buddy. I don't Adkins was the man to take us forwards, and I think MP is a better long term option. Just pointing out some stats. Adds no Value Chum/Buddy!
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 what are the stats on goals for and against in those games? I feel we are much tighter at the back (apart from WBA!) but seem to be scoring less since Pochettino has come in...I might be wrong though, just seems that way. NA last 14 games: GF 17 GA 16 MP first 14 games: GF 17 GA 16 Spooky...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 NA last 14 games: GF 17 GA 16 MP first 14 games: GF 17 GA 16 Spooky... what NA first 14 games?
Greenridge Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 what NA first 14 games? That would seem to be a more appropriate comparison.
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 what NA first 14 games? A bit less relevant, I'd have thought. Knock yourself out and look it up if you like; but this one shows our last 28 games between 2 different managers.
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 A bit less relevant, I'd have thought. Knock yourself out and look it up if you like; but this one shows our last 28 games between 2 different managers. ok, thanks for that
St Marco Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Don't think you can compare them that way imo. Better to do NA first 14 (In pl) rather then last as the fixtures were more similar. As Benito Benali pointed out MP had a far harder first 14 compared to Adkin's last 14. Adkins 1st 14 - pld 14 - won 3. Drew 3. Lost 8 = 12 pts MP 1st 14 - Pld 14 - Won 4. Drew 5. Lost 5 = 17 pts Personally I think that is a more fair way of doing it.
Badger Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 If we go down MP will be off. It will be no surprise to me if he is not at the helm even if we stay up, either on the last day or reach mid-table comfort next weekend. No rumours or suggestions heard, but just a gut feeling.
skintsaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 NA last 14 games: GF 17 GA 16 MP first 14 games: GF 17 GA 16 Spooky... ha...cheers
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Don't think you can compare them that way imo. Better to do NA first 14 (In pl) rather then last as the fixtures were more similar. As Benito Benali pointed out MP had a far harder first 14 compared to Adkin's last 14. Adkins 1st 14 - pld 14 - won 3. Drew 3. Lost 8 = 12 pts MP 1st 14 - Pld 14 - Won 4. Drew 5. Lost 5 = 17 pts Personally I think that is a more fair way of doing it. I bet you do. Funnily enough MP was fortunate enough to inherit a team that had found its feet in the league and was getting great results and performing well. NA at the start of the Prem season had to do that leg work. Last 14/First 14 is far fairer as the team is more similar over those games. Lastly, one could easily argue, as Adkins influence diminishes over the weeks, the team is getting worse. We've scored one goal in five games.
Olallana Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I bet you do. Funnily enough MP was fortunate enough to inherit a team that had found its feet in the league and was getting great results and performing well. NA at the start of the Prem season had to do that leg work. Last 14/First 14 is far fairer as the team is more similar over those games. Lastly, one could easily argue, as Adkins influence diminishes over the weeks, the team is getting worse. We've scored one goal in five games. One could also argue that MP has inherit a team with to little depth at striker position...? Just making the point that you can argue this or that way about probably everything....
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 One could also argue that MP has inherit a team with to little depth at striker position...? Just making the point that you can argue this or that way about probably everything.... Indeed. Whereas this thread looks at our last consecutive 28 league games, and is therefore a decent indication of our latest form.
Seaford Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I bet you do. Funnily enough MP was fortunate enough to inherit a team that had found its feet in the league and was getting great results and performing well. NA at the start of the Prem season had to do that leg work. Last 14/First 14 is far fairer as the team is more similar over those games. Lastly, one could easily argue, as Adkins influence diminishes over the weeks, the team is getting worse. We've scored one goal in five games. I said at the time the decision to replace Adkins was an unnecessary risk...I am vindicated. What a mess. We need a win...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I said at the time the decision to replace Adkins was an unnecessary risk...I am vindicated. What a mess. We need a win... we are hardly in a mess not so long ago, people would have been happy with 20th and keep adkins for years
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Pinocchio seems to have no plan B and just likes to talk **** about finishing top 4 next season!! He needs to quit talking **** with his media chums, learn English and start winning games or he should **** off as quickly as he arrived!
terrypward Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Congratulations on a pointless argument. Next... Would a duck beat a big pigeon in a judo match?
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 How many of those games were against top 6 teams? MP Man Utd Man City Everton Spurs Chelsea AD Arsenal Chelsea Nice trolling again Kraken Looking at the last few games, I would content that it is the teams around us, the mid-table mediocrity, where we get unstuck. I have this feeling it has always been so though; we used to scare the top teams regularly back in MLTs days then lose to sh*t like Sheff Wed.
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Anyone who can't see we are a better team under MP is frankly not really worth listening to.
Seaford Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 we are hardly in a mess not so long ago, people would have been happy with 20th and keep adkins for years[/ Adkins was doing it when he was dumped in favour of Poch....I don't think anyone on here ever thought that relegation was OK. I don't want an argument....I am too ****ed off.
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 we are hardly in a mess not so long ago, people would have been happy with 20th and keep adkins for years[/ Adkins was doing it when he was dumped in favour of Poch....I don't think anyone on here ever thought that relegation was OK. I don't want an argument....I am too ****ed off. why are you fuked off? we have it all in our own hands we would have begged for this 8 games in managers come and go. more so at saints. The way a few fans are still almost in tears about adkins is really odd
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 why are you fuked off? we have it all in our own hands we would have begged for this 8 games in managers come and go. more so at saints. The way a few fans are still almost in tears about adkins is really odd Would we have begged for it after Chelsea? Ok im playing devils advocate here becuase its all whats ifs, we genuinely dont know IF Adkins would have done better. But I think its fair the decision isnt looking like a master stroke in the short term at least.
UpweySaint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Anyone who can't see we are a better team under MP is frankly not really worth listening to. Football easier on the eye, sure. Long term does he look the man to take us forward, perhaps. No harm though in speculating Adkins may have had us a little more up for the fight. Im not going off on a deluded rant but I just would have been more comfortable going into our last two games knowing it was Adkins giving the team talks.
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Congratulations on a pointless argument. Next... Would a duck beat a big pigeon in a judo match? A thread wondering whether our change of manager has improved/not improved our form is a "pointless argument" on that clubs forum? Really? What wouldn't be a "pointless argument", pray tell?
terrypward Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Does it make a blind bit of difference to the remainder of the season? Excuse me for not giving one about any of this until the season has finished.
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 Does it make a blind bit of difference to the remainder of the season? Excuse me for not giving one about any of this until the season has finished. Glad you popped into a thread you have no interest in to register your lack of interest, Terry.
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Does it make a blind bit of difference to the remainder of the season? Excuse me for not giving one about any of this until the season has finished. You not "giving one" doesn't make a blind bit of difference either. Doesn't make the discussion pointless, though.
terrypward Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Ok ok - I'll admit the error of my ways. If we go down, I am fully behind anyone that can get a time machine and can let Adkins have a stab at the rest of the season.
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 Ok ok - I'll admit the error of my ways. If we go down, I am fully behind anyone that can get a time machine and can let Adkins have a stab at the rest of the season. Terry, you thoroughly miss the point. Unless you're someone who never, ever discusses matches that have previously happened, as talking about them cannot change anything at all, of course.
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Football easier on the eye, sure. Long term does he look the man to take us forward, perhaps. No harm though in speculating Adkins may have had us a little more up for the fight. Im not going off on a deluded rant but I just would have been more comfortable going into our last two games knowing it was Adkins giving the team talks. You obviously didnt go today because we were certainly up for the fight. Commitment was excellent.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Terry, you thoroughly miss the point. Unless you're someone who never, ever discusses matches that have previously happened, as talking about them cannot change anything at all, of course. Look at his posting history.... He rarely comments on games, prefers to chat about computer games
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Author Posted 4 May, 2013 Look at his posting history.... He rarely comments on games, prefers to chat about computer games Sounds like he'd get on well with MLG.
terrypward Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 Look at his posting history.... He rarely comments on games, prefers to chat about computer games Wish I could have a signature on this site. I'd use this!
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 (edited) Ok ok - I'll admit the error of my ways. If we go down, I am fully behind anyone that can get a time machine and can let Adkins have a stab at the rest of the season. Christ. Lets not ever catch you discussing anything ever that has happened in the history of football before ten to eight on 4th May then. All pointless. You can't change it. Edited 4 May, 2013 by CB Fry
ART Posted 4 May, 2013 Posted 4 May, 2013 I cannot see the players achieving much next season under the kind of pressure Pochettino has put them thru. Initial good results sees us unable to win games, score goals. Thia isn't due to the increased training, pressure but to his team selection and wrongly timed substitutions.He seems not to know his best players now he's moving on from Nigel's selections. Sadly I don't see Pochettino as the one to take us to a new level.
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