Saint-Armstrong Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-vs-southampton-preview-andre-1868125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Who have West Ham produced? I can't think of anyone recently, so what does he know? Or is it just a Gareth Bale link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Really confused at why as good as West Hams is a compliment out side of frank lampard?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Really confused at why as good as West Hams is a compliment out side of frank lampard?? Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Michael Carrick off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Agree with you, and what age is he, 35ish hardly anything in recent times. West Ham have produced F all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Anyway... Southampton falls into the category like Sporting Lisbon, like Barcelona, which is nurture, Do go on... then eventually sell as they don’t compete for titles. Dafuq? Barca not competing for titles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Just noticed it lists West Ham trainees in that article...although it always annoys me they include Defoe. He was from Charltons youth academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Michael Carrick off the top of my head. 2 players who overall I don't rate *that* highly and joe cole.... Actually thats a bit harsh on Carrick, he's pretty good, but Rio is a tanker, might be able to read the game but has limited effect on the game! Less said about joe cole the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 2 players who overall I don't rate *that* highly and joe cole.... Actually thats a bit harsh on Carrick, he's pretty good, but Rio is a tanker, might be able to read the game but has limited effect on the game! Less said about joe cole the better. Joe Cole has achieved more than, say, off the top of my head, Theo Walcott or Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 West ham? Odd one. Good to see ours is being appreciated though, hopefully the current crop can push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 2 players who overall I don't rate *that* highly and joe cole.... Actually thats a bit harsh on Carrick, he's pretty good, but Rio is a tanker, might be able to read the game but has limited effect on the game! Less said about joe cole the better. Carrick is very good and Rio was. Just because he's average now doesn't mean he wasn't a great player in his prime. All three have achieved far more than any player that's come through our academy so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Can add Glen Johnson and Marc Noble to the list from West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Tompkins and Noble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 West ham? Odd one. Good to see ours is being appreciated though, hopefully the current crop can push on. Not that odd as they have a long history of producing excellent young players. With loads of players that have gone on and actually achieved something. The SuperSaintsDoEverythingBest myopia is the only odd thing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Go back further there was Bobby Moore, Trevor Brooking. We had Channon, MLT, Shearer. It's a fair comparison with West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Don't rate Rio Ferdinand. I've heard it all now. The guys an utter chopstick, but he's obviously a quality player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 It is a fair comparison but you have to say they haven't really produced any good ones for awhile. We are still churning them out. Every few years a good one appears I.e Bale, Walcott, OX and now Shaw. And the only thing that is odd OCD Fry is your constant belittling of Saints fans. We are not this small club you keep trying to portray. We are not the bestest and I don't think many if any think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 West Ham's academy products are less current than those that have come to the fore from us recently and it looks as if we will have a few more to come in the next year or two. It might be that they have a few rising to the top at the moment, but I haven't heard much in the media about them, whereas there are articles about the next half dozen rising stars here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Can add Glen Johnson and Marc Noble to the list from West Ham. And Jack Collison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 It is a fair comparison but you have to say they haven't really produced any good ones for awhile. We are still churning them out. Every few years a good one appears I.e Bale, Walcott, OX and now Shaw. And the only thing that is odd OCD Fry is your constant belittling of Saints fans. We are not this small club you keep trying to portray. We are not the bestest and I don't think many if any think that. When did I say we were a small club? All I actually said is another club on earth is allowed to have a heritage of developing young players. The fact that you see that as "belittling" sums you up. It's not belittling to note that another club is capable of producing young players. The world does not revolve around the SuperduperSaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Te reason why I think it's a little odd is that the comparison didn't need to be made. Not like they have any bright lights coming through. They have some decent players Noble, Tomkins, Collison but none really stand out. Before that you're looking at 10+ years for the likes of Ferdinand, Carrick, Lampard, Defoe, Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 When did I say we were a small club? All I actually said is another club on earth is allowed to have a heritage of developing young players. The fact that you see that as "belittling" sums you up. It's not belittling to note that another club is capable of producing young players. The world does not revolve around the SuperduperSaints. I don't think it makes you a superdupersaint to think we have a better academy then West Ham right now. That doesn't mean I think we have the best academy in the world.It is OK to say we are alright now and then you know. It seems every comment you make has an attack on fellow fans included with it, so that sums you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 I don't think it makes you a superdupersaint to think we have a better academy then West Ham right now. That doesn't mean I think we have the best academy in the world.It is OK to say we are alright now and then you know. It seems every comment you make has an attack on fellow fans included with it, so that sums you up. Let's remember these are some complementary quotes from an opposition manager about us. But what the dins on here have honed in on is the fact he has dared to mention another club's academy in the same breath as us. Thankfully we have forum experts on hand who know the inner workings of WHU to tell us without question that Super Saints are much better than them. After all, multiple League title winning England internationals like Joe Cole, Frank Lampard and Rio Ferdinand are not fit to lace the boots of European Footballer of the Decade Alex Oxlade Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 From wiki. Current First Team Jack Collison – Wales international Mark Noble – England U17/U19/U21 international James Tomkins – England U19/U21 international Full Internationals Alvin Martin – England International Tony Cottee – England International Paul Ince – England International Frank Lampard – England International Rio Ferdinand – England International Paul Konchesky – England International Joe Cole – England International John Terry – England International Michael Carrick – England International Jermain Defoe – England International[15] Kieran Richardson – England International Glen Johnson – England International Matt Holland – Rep of Ireland International Ray Houghton – Rep of Ireland International Richard Garcia – Australia International Freddy Eastwood – Wales International Kevin Horlock – Northern Ireland International Grant McCann – Northern Ireland International Adam Newton – St Kitts and Nevis International Chris Coyne – Australia International Bobby Zamora – England International English Top Division Alan Curbishley – England U21 International Alan Dickens – England U21 International Anton Ferdinand – England U21 International Bobby Barnes Lee Hodges Shaun Byrne – Rep of Ireland U21 International Simon Clarke Eamonn Dolan – Rep of Ireland U21 International Geoff Pike – FA Cup Winner George Parris Jimmy Bullard Kevin Keen Kyel Reid – England U17/U18/U19 International Mervyn Day – FA Cup Winner Paul Allen – FA Cup Winner Paul Brush – FA Cup Winner Steve Potts Stuart Slater – England U21/B International Danny Williamson Jlloyd Samuel – England U21 International Fitz Hall Liam Ridgewell – England U19/U21 International Emmanuel Omoyinmi Elliott Ward Everald La Ronde Greg Campbell Keith McPherson Matthew Rush Leon Britton Zavon Hines – England U21 international Junior Stanislas – England U21 international Freddie Sears – England U19/U21 international Hogan Ephraim Josh Payne Pretty impressive. Much as ours is too. Not sure why its such a bad thing to be compared to West Ham; their academy success over the past 20 years has been immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 From wiki. Pretty impressive. Much as ours is too. Not sure why its such a bad thing to be compared to West Ham; their academy success over the past 20 years has been immense. It's impressive for it's length, but not so impressive for the quality of some of those players, especially those on the English top division list who appear to be there to bulk it out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 It's impressive for it's length, but not so impressive for the quality of some of those players, especially those on the English top division list who appear to be there to bulk it out a bit. Behave. This list alone is impressive enough, all of them still playing. Jack Collison – Wales international Mark Noble – England U17/U19/U21 international James Tomkins – England U19/U21 international Frank Lampard – England International Rio Ferdinand – England International Paul Konchesky – England International Joe Cole – England International John Terry – England International Michael Carrick – England International Jermain Defoe – England International Kieran Richardson – England International Glen Johnson – England International Bobby Zamora – England International Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 It's impressive for it's length, but not so impressive for the quality of some of those players, especially those on the English top division list who appear to be there to bulk it out a bit. 6 in that bulked out unimpressive list are current England squad regulars. Remind me again how many super saints amazing academy are current England squad members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 R6 in that bulked out unimpressive list are current England squad regulars. Remind me again how many super saints amazing academy are current England squad members. Rio and Carrick are multiple Premier league winners, 1 x European champions Joe cole, multiple prem winner, FA cup winner, European runner up Lampard, Multiple Prem/FA Cup winner, European Champion and runner up all have hundreds of England caps between them west ham, rightly have one of the very best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Behave. This list alone is impressive enough, all of them still playing. Jack Collison – Wales international Mark Noble – England U17/U19/U21 international James Tomkins – England U19/U21 international Frank Lampard – England International Rio Ferdinand – England International Paul Konchesky – England International Joe Cole – England International John Terry – England International Michael Carrick – England International Jermain Defoe – England International Kieran Richardson – England International Glen Johnson – England International Bobby Zamora – England International Saints list of current players Bale Walcott Chamberlain Lallana Shaw JWP Dyer Surman Mcgoldrick Blackstock Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 (edited) Saints list of current players Bale Walcott Chamberlain Lallana Shaw JWP Dyer Surman Yes, we've done very well with our youth setup too. Over the past 20 years I wouldn't put us in the same bracket as West Ham, they've had phenomenal success; although there's perhaps not too much in it for the past 5 - 10 years of academy graduates from both clubs. You could also add Baird and Bridge for us. Edited 4 May, 2013 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 6 in that bulked out unimpressive list are current England squad regulars. Remind me again how many super saints amazing academy are current England squad members. Behave, Walcott and ox would walk into most premier league teams, including ours, and bale would walk into most champions league teams. We have a very good youth set up, pretty much always have in my lifetime (Williams, Moran, the wallaces, shearer, mlt) and its been through a purple patch of late. West ham have also historically had an excellent youth set up, and had a purple patch 15 years ago; it's not produced anything really special for a little while though. Another good one right now is palace - Moses, Saha, Clyne and there's a couple more. Most of the gig clubs have good set ups too, including citeh long before the money. Forest used to be great years ago too (Webb, hodge, walker etc) but god knows what happened there of late. There, a balanced assssment. Why everything on here descends into an argument is beyond me, especially when the starting point was another managers positive comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Behave, Walcott and ox would walk into most premier league teams, including ours, and bale would walk into most champions league teams. We have a very good youth set up, pretty much always have in my lifetime (Williams, Moran, the wallaces, shearer, mlt) and its been through a purple patch of late. West ham have also historically had an excellent youth set up, and had a purple patch 15 years ago; it's not produced anything really special for a little while though. Another good one right now is palace - Moses, Saha, Clyne and there's a couple more. Most of the gig clubs have good set ups too, including citeh long before the money. Forest used to be great years ago too (Webb, hodge, walker etc) but god knows what happened there of late. There, a balanced assssment. Why everything on here descends into an argument is beyond me, especially when the starting point was another managers positive comment. The question was 6 current regular England squad members came from West Hams unimpressive academy, how many current England regulars came from Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Why everything on here descends into an argument is beyond me, especially when the starting point was another managers positive comment. Post number 2 of this thread was "Who have West Ham produced? I can't think of anyone recently, so what does he know? Or is it just a Gareth Bale link?" Post number 3 was "Really confused at why as good as West Hams is a compliment out side of frank lampard??" Not sure if the thread descended into anything; it just followed that course of pointing out who West Ham have produced. Unless you thought those questions shouldn't have been answered at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 The question was 6 current regular England squad members came from West Hams unimpressive academy, how many current England regulars came from Saints? When the dins are around there really is no point besty. I mean, after all, Rio Ferdinand is overrated tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Behave, Walcott and ox would walk into most premier league teams, including ours, and bale would walk into most champions league teams. We have a very good youth set up, pretty much always have in my lifetime (Williams, Moran, the wallaces, shearer, mlt) and its been through a purple patch of late. West ham have also historically had an excellent youth set up, and had a purple patch 15 years ago; it's not produced anything really special for a little while though. Another good one right now is palace - Moses, Saha, Clyne and there's a couple more. Most of the gig clubs have good set ups too, including citeh long before the money. Forest used to be great years ago too (Webb, hodge, walker etc) but god knows what happened there of late. There, a balanced assssment. Why everything on here descends into an argument is beyond me, especially when the starting point was another managers positive comment. There have been significant barren periods of Saints youth development, with Bridge and Oakley the only players of note for a decade or so back in the 90s. But lets gloss over that in our "balanced assessment", eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 This placed gets filled with more wnkers by the day. Sad little egos indeed. Hope that adds to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Why you just choosing the England team Turks and not full internationals? I wouldn't say the England team is any peak of football, even for an English footballer these days - just ask Rio. It's a bIt like the the random number of games stat used for the form table and maybe a way you could avoid counting Bale, Best, Sparv etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 Surprised how long it took Lampard to get a mention on here. Not the guys biggest fan (I live in West London so most of my mates are Chelsea fans - meaning I have an irrational hatred of all things Chelsea), but he is some player. I do he he gets the record before he leaves. Also, how people can't rate Rio is bonkers. He's been brilliant this season, and at his peak, he was amongst the best on the planet. '02 World Cup he was brilliant. Again, not the most likeable of characters, but he was some player. West Ham do churn out some players that's f'sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 It can be easy to judge centre halves just by the number of tackles they throw in or how strong they are in the air because those things are easier to notice when you're paying attention to the ball. Ferdinand's strength has always been positioning. He just knows where danger is, where to stand and how to position his body to best neutralize it. Losing some of his pace has meant that he's in bigger trouble when he does get caught out but he's still top class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 West Ham academy best XI vs Saints Academy best XI would be a very, very tasty game. They'd definitely have it over us in defence and midfield IMO but our attack would be awesome. Possible Saints XI from: Tiss, Shearer, Rod Wallace, Terry Paine, Steve Williams, Gareth Bale, Mick Channon, Wayne Bridge, Oxo, Walcott, Chivers, Shaw, Steve Mills Possible West Ham XI from: Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Rio, Frank Lampard, Trevor Brooking, Joe Cole, Carrick, Alan Devonshire, Glen Johnson, Jermain Defoe, Alvin Martin The amount of talent both clubs have produced is amazing, some of the greatest English\Welsh players of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 4 May, 2013 Share Posted 4 May, 2013 André Villas-Boas is a true sportsman and a gentleman. Did everyone see how he remained behind and shock the hands or patted the backs of every Saints player? Never seen that ever after a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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