Policy of not revealing injuries and players fitness

[Turkish]

seems to be a thing of the past as MP has come out and said Shaw is fit.

 

@solentsport: #saintsfc boss Mauricio Pochettino reveals that Luke Shaw has trained all week and is fit to face Spurs tomorrow

 

What do people think of this? Some posters will be surely furious at this as they were indignant that Adkins not revealing injuries was a brilliant tactical move as it would mean clubs would not be sure what our line up was going to be and therefore not be able to prepare for us. However it seems the guy brought in to take us to the next level doesn't subscribe to this view.

 

 

So, revealing injuries or not, is it now a good or bad thing?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think Adkins went a bit over the top on this tbh.

[alpine_saint]

I think MP has come out and said this to calm the nerves of the fan base, and try to build up some morale after what was a bit of a disaster last week. Dont really think it hands Spurs any significant advantage.

[Colinjb]

It was obviously something at the discretion of the manager rather then any club policy as things became much more open as soon as Pochettino came in. Will be interesting to see if Reading start behaving in a similar way.

 

I could see the logic in keeping your cards close to your chest but it's not the biggest thing.

[Dig Dig]

It made sense for the touch and go type of injuries to get the oppo guessing until the last minute, especially for key players.

 

What used to really annoy me was when a player would be out for a length of time and no info would be given about the player progress, likely return date etc as it served no purpose and just generated a lot of speculation and rumour on places like this.

[Saint Charlie]

I think there are people at Spurs that can see easily look on training galleries and Saints Player videos and see who is training or not.

 

I'm also sure that Lennon would start on the right regardless of whether Shaw played or not.

 

Adkins evasiveness on Lallana's injury was just bizarre - its not anyones fault that players get injured so never understand the secrecy, especially when it was obvious AL was out for a while.

 

Regardless of the interpretor, MP answers most questions he is asked, and his press conferences are miles better than NA's because of this, and he comes across as a lot more confident and assured because of it.

[Turkish]

I think Adkins went a bit over the top on this tbh.

 

I agree, but some posters on here hailed it a masterstroke as it would keep our team selection secret and give us an advantage as the opposition wont know our team.

[Tokyo-Saint]

It depends on the player Turks. If for example Lambert is 50/50, that has a big effect on the way we are going to play so might influence the other team. Also depends on who we are playing, Spurs will be more concerned about what they are doing and not little old Southampton, where as Huddersfield will be very concerned if Lallana is playing or if it is Steve De Ridder as they might double up on lamas but leave headless Steve to run down a blind ally.

[pingwing]

For ones where we have lots of options and it keeps them guessing of how we line up/what they will do it is a good idea.

 

For a position we only have on player that can play at a reasonable standard after persisting with an idiot for the last few games its a good thing to just assure everyone else.

 

There's a time and a place for everything, so says brother Nigel....

[Window Cleaner]

I think Adkins went a bit over the top on this tbh.

 

probably because it says to do so in "The Art of War"

 

Completely obsessed by it was Adkins.

[SuperMikey]

They would have played Lennon on the right regardless of who we picked to play LB tomorrow. Feel more confident knowing that Shaw's going to play, he's much more of a match for Lennon than anyone else we have who can play there.

[alpine_saint]

Personally I would have kept Shaw back for Sunderland and Stoke, where we are more likely to get points and to ensure his fitness, played Clyne on the left and Cork or Richardson on the right.

[shurlock]

MP has been doing it for a while. Don't think many people have lost any sleep over it, provoking little or no comment.

It does show that Nige was his own man in interviews rather than under orders to maintain a Swiss culture of secrecy (which I occasionally thought).

MP's response to transfer rumours is funnier. Gives nothing away but, endearingly, goes to great lengths to explain why a rumour isn't true rather than a simple, peremptory f**k off.

Edited 3 May, 2013 by shurlock

[tajjuk]

Saying he's fit and available isn't the same thing as saying he's going to play.

[Window Cleaner]

Personally I would have kept Shaw back for Sunderland and Stoke, where we are more likely to get points and to ensure his fitness, played Clyne on the left and Cork or Richardson on the right.

 

what is it with Richardson that makes him such a popular choice, he's hardly played this season, doesn't appear in recent training galleries, wasn't on the bench last week and has been by passed when we've had full back injuries before. Richardson is history as far as Saints are concerned.

[Mowgli]

I agree, but some posters on here hailed it a masterstroke as it would keep our team selection secret and give us an advantage as the opposition wont know our team.

 

I think maybe you're overstating the case a bit. I was one of those that quite liked the way the club played things close to their chest. Just as I smiled at WGS banning supporters from training sessinos so we gave nothing away. Largely based on the fact that we have historically had quite a few people who used to embarrass the club when they opened their mouths. We're at a new level now and when MP speaks he exudes a confidence that does not put the clubs reputation at risk. You almost feel - so what, we'll win whatever team we put out.

 

That said we have are going to have a helluva match tomorrwo and would be pleased to get anything out of it at all. I'm just looking for a good day out really.

[Saint Charlie]

Personally I would have kept Shaw back for Sunderland and Stoke, where we are more likely to get points and to ensure his fitness, played Clyne on the left and Cork or Richardson on the right.

 

Why? If Shaw is fit and we haven't got another left back then why not play him? If we get anything on Saturday then we are safe and playing Richardson would be a disaster waiting to happen.

[alpine_saint]

Why? If Shaw is fit and we haven't got another left back then why not play him? If we get anything on Saturday then we are safe and playing Richardson would be a disaster waiting to happen.

 

What if he gets injured again through coming back too early ?

[Olallana]

what if ifs didn´t exist....

 

Can only make your plans from what you know at the moment.

[alpine_saint]

what if ifs didn´t exist....

 

Can only make your plans from what you know at the moment.

 

I dont agree.

 

We need 1 or 2 more points. We are going to lose to Spurs anyway, best to keep your powder dry.

[notnowcato]

If he's fit, he's fit and he plays.

 

What if he got injured in training next week having not played against spuds.

[The9]

seems to be a thing of the past as MP has come out and said Shaw is fit.

 

@solentsport: #saintsfc boss Mauricio Pochettino reveals that Luke Shaw has trained all week and is fit to face Spurs tomorrow

 

What do people think of this? Some posters will be surely furious at this as they were indignant that Adkins not revealing injuries was a brilliant tactical move as it would mean clubs would not be sure what our line up was going to be and therefore not be able to prepare for us. However it seems the guy brought in to take us to the next level doesn't subscribe to this view.

 

So, revealing injuries or not, is it now a good or bad thing?

 

We're not playing for anything, what does it matter ?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I think sometimes Adkins was a bit over the top in the way he made a 'thing' of not revealing injury news - that said I don't really see why any team would ever show its hand with injury news. There is no advantage to saying what it is other than to appease fans.

[VectisSaint]

I dont agree.

 

We need 1 or 2 more points. We are going to lose to Spurs anyway, best to keep your powder dry.

We might need 2 or 3 points rather than 1 or 2 if Spuds beat the crap out of us as they may well do if Shaw did not play. GD is a factor in our favour at the moment but it is easily tipped by a good drubbing.

[VectisSaint]

I think maybe you're overstating the case a bit. I was one of those that quite liked the way the club played things close to their chest. Just as I smiled at WGS banning supporters from training sessinos so we gave nothing away. Largely based on the fact that we have historically had quite a few people who used to embarrass the club when they opened their mouths. We're at a new level now and when MP speaks he exudes a confidence that does not put the clubs reputation at risk. You almost feel - so what, we'll win whatever team we put out.

 

That said we have are going to have a helluva match tomorrwo and would be pleased to get anything out of it at all. I'm just looking for a good day out really.

Of course Turkish is overstating it, that's what he does and takes great delight in doing. In reality was there even one person who said such a thing exactly, many would support the idea sometimes of keeping information under wraps but not always, but sadly Turkish is unable to see anything between black and white, and certainly would have problems with 50 shades of grey, or even one or two. Most people don't have the time or interest to look back and find out whether anyone really said such stuff but I bet Turks will do so and find some people, might even be me, that said something that could be twisted to make it seem like such a thing may have been said. Its a sad life.

[Clifford Nelson]

New manager new ways. The pollyannaish attitude started to wear a bit thin, and I don't think that the secrecy about injuries made any difference for our results. It is probably better to believe in your teams ability to do well, rather than looking for every wafer thin doubtful advantage.

[Turkish]

Of course Turkish is overstating it, that's what he does and takes great delight in doing. In reality was there even one person who said such a thing exactly, many would support the idea sometimes of keeping information under wraps but not always, but sadly Turkish is unable to see anything between black and white, and certainly would have problems with 50 shades of grey, or even one or two. Most people don't have the time or interest to look back and find out whether anyone really said such stuff but I bet Turks will do so and find some people, might even be me, that said something that could be twisted to make it seem like such a thing may have been said. Its a sad life.

 

Oh you were one of them were you?! I'm not surprised you're sulking.

[The9]

We might need 2 or 3 points rather than 1 or 2 if Spuds beat the crap out of us as they may well do if Shaw did not play. GD is a factor in our favour at the moment but it is easily tipped by a good drubbing.

 

We need 0 points whether Spurs thrash us or not.

[Grey Crab]

I think maybe you're overstating the case a bit. I was one of those that quite liked the way the club played things close to their chest. Just as I smiled at WGS banning supporters from training sessinos so we gave nothing away. Largely based on the fact that we have historically had quite a few people who used to embarrass the club when they opened their mouths. We're at a new level now and when MP speaks he exudes a confidence that does not put the clubs reputation at risk. You almost feel - so what, we'll win whatever team we put out.

 

That said we have are going to have a helluva match tomorrwo and would be pleased to get anything out of it at all. I'm just looking for a good day out really.

 

I think that you are wrong and Turkish is right. I remember everyone on here hailing it as a masterstroke. It's a good job that some people, mainly Turkish TBF, have longer memories and can point out that when people were so wildly wrong. Quite often this sort of thing gets forgotten and it gets on my nerves that people get away with it. Well done Turks!

[Joensuu]

I think Adkins went a bit over the top on this tbh.[/Quote]

I agree, but some posters on here hailed it a masterstroke as it would keep our team selection secret and give us an advantage as the opposition wont know our team.

 

Likewise, I agree with Duncan, but some posters on here hailed it as a club dictat from Cortese, as it would keep our team selection secret and give us an advantage as the opposition won't know our team.

[shurlock]

I think that you are wrong and Turkish is right. I remember everyone on here hailing it as a masterstroke. It's a good job that some people, mainly Turkish TBF, have longer memories and can point out that when people were so wildly wrong. Quite often this sort of thing gets forgotten and it gets on my nerves that people get away with it. Well done Turks!

 

"Everyone", "masterstroke". Behave.

Leave the wilful horse**** to the expert bulls****rs on here.

Edited 3 May, 2013 by shurlock

[latter day saint]

I think that you are wrong and Turkish is right. I remember everyone on here hailing it as a masterstroke. It's a good job that some people, mainly Turkish TBF, have longer memories and can point out that when people were so wildly wrong. Quite often this sort of thing gets forgotten and it gets on my nerves that people get away with it. Well done Turks!

easy fella,your make CB Fry jealous

[Grey Crab]

easy fella,your make CB Fry jealous

 

I don't understand?

[The9]

I don't understand?

 

I think he means "you'll" as in "you will", not "your" as in "belongs to you".