Leicestersaint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Lukaku was impressive - but I thought Bale was very good against us when Spurs came down to SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 I posted a lengthy message on here about that 15 minutes of capitulation, detailing every single pass and the repeated turnovers. You're a bit weird, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 You're a bit weird, aren't you? I have my moments, but at least I haven't been pretending to be under 16 all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 I have my moments, but at least I haven't been pretending to be under 16 all season. That's not weird. It's just genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Lukaku was good but it has to be RVP for me. He single handedly won the game for Man U at St Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Scholes when he came on back in August, ran the game. Hazard was very good in the cup too. Agree with both of these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 That's not weird. It's just genius. Well it certainly had the effect of preventing Saints selling kids tickets to adults' ticket numbers any more, apparently Wigan kicked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Lukaku didn't do much that impressed me to be honest. Went around the keeper well, but we didn't ask him to do anything difficult to get through us. his passsing was woeful as well. Several times they were in but he ****ed up the pass. Far from the complete player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Best add Olssen and McAuley to that list, Lambert didn't have a kick Saturday either. Is it when we play teams with two monster centre backs that attack the ball that Ricky struggles? Sunderland, QPR and WBA at our place are three examples where the CBs were ball winners. I recall him doing **** all against Cardiff last season and they had two massive CBs. If you throw in a big fullback or two to prevent Ricky peeling off to the back post perhaps that is his nemesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Is it when we play teams with two monster centre backs that attack the ball that Ricky struggles? Sunderland, QPR and WBA at our place are three examples where the CBs were ball winners. I recall him doing **** all against Cardiff last season and they had two massive CBs. If you throw in a big fullback or two to prevent Ricky peeling off to the back post perhaps that is his nemesis. It's slightly more effective when you play someone close to him, someone quick and sharp to capitalise on the 50-50s. Remember him being totally ineffective in the first half at Cardiff last season but that changed once De Ridder was pushed closer to him. At the moment he's too isolated for us to take advantage of the second ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallBoy Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Have to agree with the general consensus. For me Fellaini was immense against us. Not spectacular but incredible control and strength. My top choice. Lukaku and Hazard (in the cup) were a bit special too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Zabaletta was decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Is it when we play teams with two monster centre backs that attack the ball that Ricky struggles? Sunderland, QPR and WBA at our place are three examples where the CBs were ball winners. I recall him doing **** all against Cardiff last season and they had two massive CBs. If you throw in a big fullback or two to prevent Ricky peeling off to the back post perhaps that is his nemesis. It's usually when the two centre backs work well together and both challenge and sweep in front (ha!) of him so he doesn't get the chance to get the ball under control. Man U were crap at it at St Mary's as one of them dropped off every time, then at Arsenal he didn't get a kick because they played the knock-down/control. To be honest we don't knock it at him in the air so much now, I just think they'd done their homework and came with him when he pulled short for the pass. As well as that, much more of our play was coming through Rodriguez running with the ball than earlier in the season too and he tends not to link with others when dribbling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 April, 2013 his passsing was woeful as well. Several times they were in but he ****ed up the pass. Far from the complete player. That's what impressed me. He had power, pace, poise and nous and yet still isn't a complete player! Awesome potential and no accident that he's so highly rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 It's usually when the two centre backs work well together and both challenge and sweep in front (ha!) of him so he doesn't get the chance to get the ball under control. Man U were crap at it at St Mary's as one of them dropped off every time, that's spot o n. Allow him to drop deep and uncontest balls to him and he runs the game. Follow him everwhere and challenge eery ball and he can struggle. I was amazed at how United gave him the freedom of the park. Ferdinand got bossed. Hope there are plenty of teams that fail to cotton on to how to handle him or we might have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 That's what impressed me. He had power, pace, poise and nous and yet still isn't a complete player! Awesome potential and no accident that he's so highly rated. I actully thought Fortune was equally good in that game. Great in the air, excellent hold up play too. Both offered real pace and power. I didn't notice Long at all. Their strikers were the complete opposite from ours. Serious huge athletes that bullied weak defenders. What worrid me was how lightweight Mayuka looked in comparison and he showed similar levels of rawness. If you are going to have a bobbler (like Lakaku possibly is) then you want him ti be a powerhouse that is greece lightening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 that's spot o n. Allow him to drop deep and uncontest balls to him and he runs the game. Follow him everwhere and challenge eery ball and he can struggle. I was amazed at how United gave him the freedom of the park. Ferdinand got bossed. Hope there are plenty of teams that fail to cotton on to how to handle him or we might have problems. Oh come on, everyone knows all of my opinions about Lambert are flameworthy and nonsense . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Fellaini second half was class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 That donkey Samba soaked up everything we hoofed his way, probably his best performance for QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 (edited) Oh come on, everyone knows all of my opinions about Lambert are flameworthy and nonsense . must have missed that arguement. Lambert has games (not many I might add) where he is totally ineffective that's for sure. He doesn't jump, so when he comes up against monster centre backs that don't let him take the ideal starting position to win headers he can struggle to win those flick ons or bring the ball down and get us moving. When he doesn't play well we usually struggle. He's a quality ball player. Great touch and ability to link the play. Very Sherringham esq. My biggest criticism of him might be that he doesn't get into the danger area quite enough. That's probably because he's a midfielder at heart and not a natural striker. I worry what we would do if he got injured. Thankfully we haven't had that problem. To get the best out if him he we can't play long straight balls. This is what tends to happen when we run out of ideas like against Sunderland and QPR. This is usually because the midfielders are not doing enough. Edited 30 April, 2013 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Fellaini second half was class did he move from midfield to attack at half time or vis versa in that game? The secind half was when he came into his own, I think (migjht be wrong) Morgan and Cork were all over him like a rash first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 must have missed that arguement. Lambert has games (not many I might add) where he is totally ineffective that's for sure. He doesn't jump, so when he comes up against monster centre backs that don't let him take the ideal starting position to win headers he can struggle to win those flick ons or bring the ball down and get us moving. When he doesn't play well we usually struggle. He's a quality ball player. Great touch and ability to link the play. Very Sheringham esq. My biggest criticism of him might be that he doesn't get into the danger area quite enough. That's probably because he's a midfielder at heart and not a natural striker. I worry what we would do if he got injured. Thankfully we haven't had that problem. To get the best out if him he we can't play long straight balls. This is what tends to happen when we run out of ideas like against Sunderland and QPR. This is usually because the midfielders are not doing enough. I refuse to discuss him any further on here, sorry, I just get slaughtered for not being part of the love in and buying into all the "top English scorer" nonsense as if it matters. But I basically agree with all of that and that (amongst other reasons) is why I want us to fork out for an established Prem goalscorer with pace who'll give us the option to play on the counter when Plan A doesn't work or isn't appropriate. Rodriguez might be becoming that player, but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 I refuse to discuss him any further on here, sorry, I just get slaughtered for not being part of the love in and buying into all the "top English scorer" nonsense as if it matters. But I basically agree with all of that and that (amongst other reasons) is why I want us to fork out for an established Prem goalscorer with pace who'll give us the option to play on the counter when Plan A doesn't work or isn't appropriate. Rodriguez might be becoming that player, but we'll see. It certainly is hard to slate fans favourites or defend whipping boys on here. Mayuka should have been that plan B, but for whaever reason he hasn't done it, yet. If the manager doesn't rate him then he needs to be swapped for someone that he does who can do that job. We neer hit teams on the break. I think that Morgan goal at Wigan was the first in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Well it certainly had the effect of preventing Saints selling kids tickets to adults' ticket numbers any more, apparently Wigan kicked up. It hasn't stopped me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 did he move from midfield to attack at half time or vis versa in that game? The secind half was when he came into his own, I think (migjht be wrong) Morgan and Cork were all over him like a rash first half. First half he was trying to press high and was bullied off the ball/lashing out a lot, second half he dropped deep to try and draw mort/cork out a lot, didn't work but it got him a lot of time on the ball where Phil Nevill should have been passing it about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 There's absolutely no question for me - Mata in the cup. He was everywhere all game, and only improved as time went on while some of his teammates relaxed. In the league I'd like to nominate Huddlestone - always an underrated player but his impact on that game was enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 It certainly is hard to slate fans favourites or defend whipping boys on here. Mayuka should have been that plan B, but for whaever reason he hasn't done it, yet. If the manager doesn't rate him then he needs to be swapped for someone that he does who can do that job. We neer hit teams on the break. I think that Morgan goal at Wigan was the first in years This is where I let myself down by casually mentioning that Lambert wasn't even in the box when Schneiderlin tapped in from the edge of the 6 yard area... and that Schneiderlin gave him a 10 yard head start in our area when the break started. I agree with what you're saying, and I also think we'd be having far fewer "Is Gaston up to it?" discussions if he had a pacy striker with good movement to pass to. Actually I think Lambert's movement off the ball is excellent in terms of pulling players out of position when he pulls wide, just don't actually pass it to him in the middle with someone to run past because that's not what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattressTester Posted 14 May, 2013 Share Posted 14 May, 2013 Fellaini second half was class Good shout. Fellaini stood out for me in general. Lukaku was scarily good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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