Smirking_Saint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Or..... Contracts allow the club to dictate the fee. That is all a contract is nobchops. It'S NC saying "he is our player, pay me what I want or jog on" Now can all the bed wetters get a grip. Can't take a summer of this ****e when the season hasn't even finished. Just a slight overreaction to what has been a pretty mellow debate there sunshine, Id suggest looking over your suggestion here in bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 A few of our players are going to be 'sold' to the top 4/5 clubs in the summer, according to the papers. This will be the first of many stories sooner or later, one will go and then watch the melt down within some of the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Dream on you French paedo......£10m for one of the best young players in the prem,I don't think so mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 He will when we bid £20m for santi cazorla - remember where you heard it first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 A few of our players are going to be 'sold' to the top 4/5 clubs in the summer, according to the papers. This will be the first of many stories sooner or later, one will go and then watch the melt down within some of the fans I feel safer now we have our caped crusader looking out for our wellbeing on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4908168/Morgan-Schneiderlin-targetted-by-Arsenal-for-summer-deal.html Arrogant sh*t thinks we are his nursery club, I swear. hahaha.. now really Arsene...this is not serious ..right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 I know we all think our wives are the best looking, but on this occasion ours really is. I don't see many central midfielders in the prem with his combination of strength, pace and ball control. He's no Paul Wooton though is he? Or at least that's what the genius footballing knowledge of this place led me to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Straying slightly off topic... Agreed. Which is why, and I say this with no great pleasure, we will NEVER be a Champions League club or indeed break into the top 6 IMO. All that talk last week really was ridiculous. I don't believe for a minute NC believes this to be true deep down anyway. He has one of the biggest ego's going seemingly but he must realise he cannot invent history, success, stature not to mention untold riches from thin air to compete with ManU, Arse, Spurs, City, Chelsea. Having said all that and going back on topic... we are as guilty as the bigger clubs of poaching young players from clubs smaller than ourselves... food chain and all that I suppose. And where were Chelsea before Roman...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 And where were Chelsea before Roman...? Chelsea? The club with the 3rd highest one-off club attendance of all time in England? The club with the 5th highest average attendance of all time in England? Yes, where were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Chelsea? The club with the 3rd highest one-off club attendance of all time in England? The club with the 5th highest average attendance of all time in England? Yes, where were they? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Chelsea? The club with the 3rd highest one-off club attendance of all time in England? The club with the 5th highest average attendance of all time in England? Yes, where were they? Fiar but they certainly were not established top four side, nor were spurs or city. My point was that history and prestige while nice and helpful for building a club its far from the only decisive factor. Money, being the only half decent side on the south coast (somebody tell bmouth) and having one of, if not the, best academy in the country all give us a fair shout. It's not liekly but I disagreed with the posters use of "never". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 If he has a buy out clause in his contract not much saints can do to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Fiar but they certainly were not established top four side, nor were spurs or city. My point was that history and prestige while nice and helpful for building a club its far from the only decisive factor. Money, being the only half decent side on the south coast (somebody tell bmouth) and having one of, if not the, best academy in the country all give us a fair shout. It's not liekly but I disagreed with the posters use of "never". TBH spurs and city have always had a decent following and both, however you judge club sizes are arguably bigger than us. Could we make the CL ? Honestly I cant see it happen with us, we could always do an Everton maybe and skirt around it but itll take a long time. The academy means a lot but essentially unless you are established you will end up selling off your better products. Make no mistakes Shaw will leave eventually, as will the next guy etc etc Our power on the south coast is already established, MLG will tell you otherwise but we wont gain anything much east or west that we dont already have or will never support us. Those big clubs have big big cities to call upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Fiar but they certainly were not established top four side, nor were spurs or city. My point was that history and prestige while nice and helpful for building a club its far from the only decisive factor. Money, being the only half decent side on the south coast (somebody tell bmouth) and having one of, if not the, best academy in the country all give us a fair shout. It's not liekly but I disagreed with the posters use of "never". I think there might be a bit of revisionism in your thinking. Chelsea weren't far away from the top 4 before Abramovic's roubles came along in the summer of 2003. Prior to his arrival they finished 6th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th and 4th. Pretty consistent. Spurs have always been a big, under-achieving club, as have Man City. It will obviously take a lot of money to get to that level. An awful lot of money, over an extended period. And/or a academy system much better than anyone elses. "Never?" I've not said that, I don't think too many would argue against the idea we could, on extremely odd occasions, finish top 4. Newcastle are showing this year how difficult it is for the non-elite to maintain that sort of challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 He's no Paul Wooton though is he? Or at least that's what the genius footballing knowledge of this place led me to believe or just pocket the £10m, and bring Hammond back ? Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 or just pocket the £10m, and bring Hammond back ? Sorted. Whilst we are at it dump Ramirez and pick up Antonio ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 TBH spurs and city have always had a decent following and both, however you judge club sizes are arguably bigger than us. Could we make the CL ? Honestly I cant see it happen with us, we could always do an Everton maybe and skirt around it but itll take a long time. The academy means a lot but essentially unless you are established you will end up selling off your better products. Make no mistakes Shaw will leave eventually, as will the next guy etc etc Our power on the south coast is already established, MLG will tell you otherwise but we wont gain anything much east or west that we dont already have or will never support us. Those big clubs have big big cities to call upon. Our following isnt exactly small and has potential to grow, lots of those day trippers so many on here hate True Everton, the Moyes factor is massive but we have more ability to kick on with the clubs infrastructure. Again true, to a point. But if we end up selling these players later and later in their careers and for larger sums we can reinvest and grow ... Ok i'm not expecting half of eastleigh to turn up but success on the pitch is likely to result in growth in fanbase. I hail from Dorset and you'd be surprised how many folk travel to london and beyond for prem football. If we find ourselves in and around europe in the everton mould we'd certainly attract a few more, the hope being of course these day trippers become long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 I think there might be a bit of revisionism in your thinking. Chelsea weren't far away from the top 4 before Abramovic's roubles came along in the summer of 2003. Prior to his arrival they finished 6th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th and 4th. Pretty consistent. Spurs have always been a big, under-achieving club, as have Man City. It will obviously take a lot of money to get to that level. An awful lot of money, over an extended period. And/or a academy system much better than anyone elses. "Never?" I've not said that, I don't think too many would argue against the idea we could, on extremely odd occasions, finish top 4. Newcastle are showing this year how difficult it is for the non-elite to maintain that sort of challenge. True yes but prior to that ... I think roman took them on to another level. Not saying we can emulate that I just think they're an example of whats could, one day, be possible. I dont buy "champs league in two years" or any of that but in a decade where will we be? My guess is as good as yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 True yes but prior to that ... I think roman took them on to another level. Not saying we can emulate that I just think they're an example of whats could, one day, be possible. I dont buy "champs league in two years" or any of that but in a decade where will we be? My guess is as good as yours! Sustained progress for 2 or 3 years, sell-outs of St. Mary's and I hope we'll justify a stadium capacity increase. Anything 40K and upwards allows us to compete a bit better, and certainly get in and around the likes of Everton. Also allows us a good platform for European football, which would absolutely be great for me in whatever guise, a real achievement. Champions League? I won't hold my breath; not ruling it out entirely but simply not expecting it in my lifetime. A bit sad really to accept 5th or 6th place as success, but that's another tale entirely (and kind of why I'll stand by my opinion that our season in the Championship was my favourite season to date as a Saints match-going fan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Sustained progress for 2 or 3 years, sell-outs of St. Mary's and I hope we'll justify a stadium capacity increase. Anything 40K and upwards allows us to compete a bit better, and certainly get in and around the likes of Everton. Also allows us a good platform for European football, which would absolutely be great for me in whatever guise, a real achievement. Champions League? I won't hold my breath; not ruling it out entirely but simply not expecting it in my lifetime. A bit sad really to accept 5th or 6th place as success, but that's another tale entirely (and kind of why I'll stand by my opinion that our season in the Championship was my favourite season to date as a Saints match-going fan). Fair shout, my sentiments exactly just perhaps more eloquently expressed! I wont say never about anything in football but I concede europa league would be a cracking acheivment. I still remember us going out to Steau Bucharest! Crikey that was dire! All downhill from there ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 Straying slightly off topic... Agreed. Which is why, and I say this with no great pleasure, we will NEVER be a Champions League club or indeed break into the top 6 IMO. All that talk last week really was ridiculous. I don't believe for a minute NC believes this to be true deep down anyway. He has one of the biggest ego's going seemingly but he must realise he cannot invent history, success, stature not to mention untold riches from thin air to compete with ManU, Arse, Spurs, City, Chelsea. Having said all that and going back on topic... we are as guilty as the bigger clubs of poaching young players from clubs smaller than ourselves... food chain and all that I suppose. I agree, I have been saying it for years, its delusion unless we spend millions and millions and buy the players the top 4 want, obvious really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 There was an interview on canal + in France with Morgan. He did say if a top 4 club came in for him, he would consider it but it would have to be good for the club and himself. Dont write that, the clappers will **** themselves........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 The comments below are hilarious: "Who?" "Average player for average club" "who is he now? .. 10 Million shud buy u Tarabt" "10 million on a bit player" Clueless, Sun-reading morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 It's not liekly but I disagreed with the posters use of "never". Okay, I concede anything in life is possible and NEVER is obviously too final a word to use for something that "could" happen. IMO it is simply unbelievably inconceivable that we would break into the cartel that exists. I've left the door ajar there for that smidgen of possibility. I will also concede it more likely we could flirt with the top 8 and possibly grab a European trip or two but even that will take oodles of cash... I dunno, plucking a figure out of thin air... £50m for starters?? Yeah £50m sounds like a good wedge... Over to you NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 He's an Arsenal style player all over, and him and Wiltshire in the midfield - supported by Cazorla and Arteta is pretty mouthwatering. Morgan would fit their team love a glove. He's also young and french which helps. It would take double £10m and then some to get him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 In response to the melodramatic and ever so slightly emo teenage angst-esq thread title..... I believe he is Alpine..... To PSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 We got relegated last time by selling our best players and not replacing them. If we are going to sell them, we need to buy better players to replace them, by getting other clubs to pay well over their true value for them. Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 In response to the melodramatic and ever so slightly emo teenage angst-esq thread title..... I believe he is Alpine..... To PSG. Nope not to PSG, he's told them no, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Nope not to PSG, he's told them no, Link? Report on the radio on Monday said PSG were saying that he'd agreed terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Link? Report on the radio on Monday said PSG were saying that he'd agreed terms. Wenger said he will honour his contract at the Arse. Benitez is now the talk of the town in Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Okay, I concede anything in life is possible and NEVER is obviously too final a word to use for something that "could" happen. IMO it is simply unbelievably inconceivable that we would break into the cartel that exists. I've left the door ajar there for that smidgen of possibility. I will also concede it more likely we could flirt with the top 8 and possibly grab a European trip or two but even that will take oodles of cash... I dunno, plucking a figure out of thin air... £50m for starters?? Yeah £50m sounds like a good wedge... Over to you NC. Yhep you'r right, even with ffp the established sides look likely to dominate but, the right investment, a golden generation out of the academy and a fantastic manager we could edge it one day Again true. Though i'd fancy we wont have a cheap summer and, should any of our players go, they'l hve hefty price tags which would hopefully allow us to reinvest. I know it's some way off and pie in the sky but I would love a european away day or two, was too young last time around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Straying slightly off topic... Agreed. Which is why, and I say this with no great pleasure, we will NEVER be a Champions League club or indeed break into the top 6 IMO. All that talk last week really was ridiculous. I don't believe for a minute NC believes this to be true deep down anyway. He has one of the biggest ego's going seemingly but he must realise he cannot invent history, success, stature not to mention untold riches from thin air to compete with ManU, Arse, Spurs, City, Chelsea. Having said all that and going back on topic... we are as guilty as the bigger clubs of poaching young players from clubs smaller than ourselves... food chain and all that I suppose. except of course city and chelsea have done just that, i.e. bought themselves overnight success - so maybe it could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 except of course city and chelsea have done just that, i.e. bought themselves overnight success - so maybe it could happen. City and Chelsea started off life as Manchester City and Chelsea, both former League Champions and multiple cup winners home and abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Wenger said he will honour his contract at the Arse. Benitez is now the talk of the town in Paris. Wenger wont go anywhere until the end of his contract, its not the first time he has been courted by a bigger club, he is quite loyal, and is pretty much the lord of the manor at the Emirates. Benitez wouldnt be a bad choice for PSG you know, Im not his biggest fan BTW, but he is a cup manager first and foremost, and the only thing worth winning for PSG is basically the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 except of course city and chelsea have done just that, i.e. bought themselves overnight success - so maybe it could happen. Except of course they were already bigger clubs then us with past success ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 City and Chelsea started off life as Manchester City and Chelsea, both former League Champions and multiple cup winners home and abroad. But do you think the likes of Tevez, Aguero, Kompany, Silva, Toure etc really gave a **** about the fact that City won the title decades before they were even born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 But do you think the likes of Tevez, Aguero, Kompany, Silva, Toure etc really gave a **** about the fact that City won the title decades before they were even born? I'll bet Kompany does, he's a good character who really buys into the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 I'll bet Kompany does, he's a good character who really buys into the club. Yea I'm sure when he had a choice of top European clubs to sign for, that swayed it in their favour! I'm sure he cares now but I really don't think players care much about what clubs were doing 50 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 But do you think the likes of Tevez, Aguero, Kompany, Silva, Toure etc really gave a **** about the fact that City won the title decades before they were even born? It won't be their first priority, but signing for a big club in a big football city, rather than a medium sized club in a nondescript city would be a factor for all of those players. If you are suggesting all those players care about is money, are you suggesting that Saints are going to start outbidding City, Chelsea and Man United for players now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 But do you think the likes of Tevez, Aguero, Kompany, Silva, Toure etc really gave a **** about the fact that City won the title decades before they were even born? They only went there because City had started building towards success, and to be sustainable you need to dig into a decent pool of supporters, City and chelsea have always been pretty well supported and their name is of bigger barings in the wider footballing audience. Getting to that level takes time and money, perhaps with more money less time and visa versa, its also luck based and infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 Yea I'm sure when he had a choice of top European clubs to sign for, that swayed it in their favour! I'm sure he cares now but I really don't think players care much about what clubs were doing 50 years ago. Oh my bad, didn't realise you meant influencing their decision to sign. It seems that can play a factor for some players when signing for clubs like Liverpool, where the history is that great regardless of the current team's success. Not true for City though, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 May, 2013 Share Posted 1 May, 2013 It won't be their first priority, but signing for a big club in a big football city, rather than a medium sized club in a nondescript city would be a factor for all of those players. If you are suggesting all those players care about is money, are you suggesting that Saints are going to start outbidding City, Chelsea and Man United for players now? No we won't be which is why we won't be knocking them out of Champions League places any time soon. Not because we didn't win a title in 1902. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 (edited) No we won't be which is why we won't be knocking them out of Champions League places any time soon. Not because we didn't win a title in 1902. Chelsea were an established top six side having already won several trophies including two European trophies in clear living memory. Man City less glittering but still undeniably a big club and far, far bigger than us. And, they just happen to be in Manchester. Neither club were West Brom suddenly signing players and winning trophies from nowhere. Quite frankly, most players will not just sign for who pays the most. Ask Newcastle in the 1990s/early 2000s when they made various attempts to sign top level players. They bid more, and offered more salary, to Wayne Rooney. Guess where Wayne went? Nice try with the 1902 line. I give that 3/10. Edited 2 May, 2013 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4908168/Morgan-Schneiderlin-targetted-by-Arsenal-for-summer-deal.html Arrogant sh*t thinks we are his nursery club, I swear. Articulate and intelligent comment..... Young people read this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 And where were Chelsea before Roman...? thinking back..... I think the answer to that is, they had the mother of all overdraft and were fast closing in on a bankruptcy .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Does anyone know a site where you can find out if Morgan's still top tackler/distance travelled this season? Think I saw that he is top for interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Chelsea were an established top six side having already won several trophies including two European trophies in clear living memory. Man City less glittering but still undeniably a big club and far, far bigger than us. And, they just happen to be in Manchester. Neither club were West Brom suddenly signing players and winning trophies from nowhere. Quite frankly, most players will not just sign for who pays the most. Ask Newcastle in the 1990s/early 2000s when they made various attempts to sign top level players. They bid more, and offered more salary, to Wayne Rooney. Guess where Wayne went? Nice try with the 1902 line. I give that 3/10. Cheers buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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