KelvinsRightGlove Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Can someone help me out please. I'm a tad confused. From what I can see, is that anyone who thinks 10th place is a possibility - they are deluded and should be sneered at. The reason for this is because we are in serious danger of relegation, and according to some are going down. The reason 10th place cannot happen is because we are 3 places from 10th, 3 points behind and have a worse goal difference of 2. The reason we will go down, or are still very much likely to. Is because we are 5 places from 18th, 7 points ahead, with a superior GD of 13. Am I alone in not understanding this logic? Personally, I do not think we will finish 10th, but I am more certain we will not get relegated. Is finishing somewhere between 17th and 10th so bad? Wouldn't most of us have taken that at the start of the season? Probably even more so after the first 10/11 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. We aren't as bad as some make out and no where near as good as others think. Where we are now is about where we will finish. 12th-15th. This is an accurate reflection of our squads level. I'm sure people will now randomly pick or ignore games and cherry pick amounts of games, or come up with a league table as to how it would look if only players with the the letter R in their name their scored this season to 'prove' we are better than we really are. Ive said this for most of the season and been sneered at for it. Glad to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. We aren't as bad as some make out and no where near as good as others think. Where we are now is about where we will finish. 12th-15th. This is an accurate reflection of our squads level. I'm sure people will now randomly pick or ignore games and cherry pick amounts of games, or come up with a league table as to how it would look if only players with the the letter R in their name their scored this season to 'prove' we are better than we really are. Ive said this for most of the season and been sneered at for it. Glad to help. Turkish is right as usual !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Turkish is actually right more times than he announces he's right. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. We aren't as bad as some make out and no where near as good as others think. Where we are now is about where we will finish. 12th-15th. This is an accurate reflection of our squads level. I'm sure people will now randomly pick or ignore games and cherry pick amounts of games, or come up with a league table as to how it would look if only players with the the letter R in their name their scored this season to 'prove' we are better than we really are. Ive said this for most of the season and been sneered at for it. Glad to help. Alright, own up, what have you done with Turkish and why have you stolen his log in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Alright, own up, what have you done with Turkish and why have you stolen his log in? It's only what I've been saying all season. See how indignant people were when I dared to say we wouldn't finish 10th, rounded upon by some. If anyone disagreed with Predictions we were set to rocket up the table, past teams who had been there all season it was sneered at. Obviously I want us to finish as high as possible but my out look isn't blinded by happy clappy optimism that all of our players except for Guly and Fox are the greatest players in the history of association Soccerball and everyone connected with the club is the greatest person who ever lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. We aren't as bad as some make out and no where near as good as others think. Where we are now is about where we will finish. 12th-15th. This is an accurate reflection of our squads level. I'm sure people will now randomly pick or ignore games and cherry pick amounts of games, or come up with a league table as to how it would look if only players with the the letter R in their name their scored this season to 'prove' we are better than we really are. Ive said this for most of the season and been sneered at for it. Glad to help. I think all that was needed was the first sentence fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 (edited) Likelihood (percentages) of finishing in positions from 8th downwards, we can't come outside this range (the 0s are below 0.5% but not 0) : 8th-------10th--------12th-------14th-------16th-------18th 0----2-----7----13----15----19----17----15----9----2----0 However, before the Swansea match we were looking at the peak of this range being around 11th/12th not 13th/14th. Edited 29 April, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 I think the key here is that by only being 3 points off we COULD finish 10th and that is what we should be aiming for. By aiming for maximum points from the last 3 games it is highly unlikely we will be relegated. We seem to have more good games than bad so the chances of losing all three is highly remote. It's MPs job to make sure they are focused and deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We're probably finish 13th or 14th on 41/42 points. Always kind of felt that. 2nd half of the season has been great, but we've never really been able to go that far with it because of our horrific start. If our start wasn't quite as bad, we'd be comfortably top 10 by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 It's only what I've been saying all season. See how indignant people were when I dared to say we wouldn't finish 10th, rounded upon by some. If anyone disagreed with Predictions we were set to rocket up the table, past teams who had been there all season it was sneered at. Obviously I want us to finish as high as possible but my out look isn't blinded by happy clappy optimism that all of our players except for Guly and Fox are the greatest players in the history of association Soccerball and everyone connected with the club is the greatest person who ever lived. Fair comment to be honest. I would argue that 11 to 15 is our level, but thats semantics. I guess the reason for so much positivity is that the clubs who you would currently argue are in the positions 6 and 7 in terms of quality (namely Everton and Liverpool) are not a quantum leap from us, given 3 or 4 class signings, the right manager and a good slice of luck. I know we are not there yet, but you must feel the excitement of that situation and allow yourself the reality of getting slightly carried away? I can remember when we came 2nd ( just) in the old first division, but ever since I've had the ability to concentrate on the length of Michaela Strachan's skirt on the Hit Man & Her (i guess around 1990), this is the most positive I've ever felt about the quality of our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 I think all that was needed was the first sentence fella. Exactly right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 It's only what I've been saying all season. See how indignant people were when I dared to say we wouldn't finish 10th, rounded upon by some. If anyone disagreed with Predictions we were set to rocket up the table, past teams who had been there all season it was sneered at. Obviously I want us to finish as high as possible but my out look isn't blinded by happy clappy optimism that all of our players except for Guly and Fox are the greatest players in the history of association Soccerball and everyone connected with the club is the greatest person who ever lived. You are a genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. We aren't as bad as some make out and no where near as good as others think. Where we are now is about where we will finish. 12th-15th. This is an accurate reflection of our squads level. I'm sure people will now randomly pick or ignore games and cherry pick amounts of games, or come up with a league table as to how it would look if only players with the the letter R in their name their scored this season to 'prove' we are better than we really are. Ive said this for most of the season and been sneered at for it. Glad to help. A-freaking-men to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 29 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Personally, I do not think we will finish 10th, but I am more certain we will not get relegated. We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. Well, now I'm even more confused, are Turkish and I in agreement? Fair post though. I agree in general with what you have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 It's only what I've been saying all season. See how indignant people were when I dared to say we wouldn't finish 10th, rounded upon by some. If anyone disagreed with Predictions we were set to rocket up the table, past teams who had been there all season it was sneered at. Obviously I want us to finish as high as possible but my out look isn't blinded by happy clappy optimism that all of our players except for Guly and Fox are the greatest players in the history of association Soccerball and everyone connected with the club is the greatest person who ever lived. Alas this makes zero sense at all. So over the course of a 38 game season where the difference between 10th and 12th-15th is likely to be vanishingly small, perhaps 3-4 points, we are definitively one but not the other. B*****ks. A bit of luck, some momentum here and there, is likely to determine such fine margins. Now if we're talking 7th or 8th where there is quite a steep jump in points -and presumably quality, I might understand. But 10th? You're talking s**te as usual. For the sake of disclosure, I never said we would finish 10th. I've found the whole discussion boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Alas this makes zero sense at all. So over the course of a 38 game season where the difference between 10th and 12th-15th is likely to be vanishingly small, perhaps 3-4 points, we are definitively one but not the other. B*****ks. A bit of luck, some momentum here and there, is likely to determine such fine margins. Now if we're talking 7th or 8th where there is quite a steep jump in points -and presumably quality, I might understand. But 10th? You're talking s**te as usual. For the sake of disclosure, I never said we would finish 10th. I've found the whole discussion boring. Seems quite a defensive response given what Turkish said, you two got some previous on here or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 And breathe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Alas this makes zero sense at all. So over the course of a 38 game season where the difference between 10th and 12th-15th is likely to be vanishingly small, perhaps 3-4 points, we are definitively one but not the other. B*****ks. A bit of luck, some momentum here and there, is likely to determine such fine margins. Now if we're talking 7th or 8th where there is quite a steep jump in points -and presumably quality, I might understand. But 10th? You're talking s**te as usual. For the sake of disclosure, I never said we would finish 10th. I've found the whole discussion boring. Odd post. Clearly lower midtable is our position with our current squad, it's pretty much where we've been all season and where we'll finish and you even agree with me we won't finish 10th, , but I'm talking sh**e though. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Seems quite a defensive response given what Turkish said, you two got some previous on here or something ? I look to Turkish for all the inside scoops. If it wasn't for Turkish, I would have never known that Nik Nak picks the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Alas this makes zero sense at all. So over the course of a 38 game season where the difference between 10th and 12th-15th is likely to be vanishingly small, perhaps 3-4 points, we are definitively one but not the other. B*****ks. A bit of luck, some momentum here and there, is likely to determine such fine margins. Now if we're talking 7th or 8th where there is quite a steep jump in points -and presumably quality, I might understand. But 10th? You're talking s**te as usual. For the sake of disclosure, I never said we would finish 10th. I've found the whole discussion boring. What a load of old sh it. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Odd post. Clearly lower midtable is our position with our current squad, it's pretty much where we've been all season and where we'll finish and you even agree with me we won't finish 10th, , but I'm talking sh**e though. Good stuff. Is it? so a team doesn't improve over the course of a season? We are a totally different side from the one that took only 4 points from the first ten games. Or am I cherry picking the form guide? Your implicit suggestion is that we don't have the quality to finish 10th - I would say that given how tight it is around those places, there is ultimately very little difference in quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 Is it? so a team doesn't improve over the course of a season? We are a totally different side from the one that took only 4 points from the first ten games. Or am I cherry picking the form guide? Your implicit suggestion is that we don't have the quality to finish 10th - I would say that given how tight it is around those places, there is ultimately very little difference in quality. Correct. We were bottom 3 for much of that period, now were midtable, what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 What a load of old sh it. Well done. That over the long haul of a 38 game season, a c**ts hair is likely to separate 10th and lower mid table, that the conclusions you can draw about the difference in quality is likely to be limited? As ever, glad for your informed critique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 That over the long haul of a 38 game season, a c**ts hair is likely to separate mid and lower mid table, that the conclusions you can draw about the difference in quality is likely to be limited? As ever, glad for your informed critique. And over 38 games you generally finish where you deserve too.which is why we will finish where we deserve to, lower midtable. Which by the way, is mission accomplished in some style as far as this season goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 That over the long haul of a 38 game season, a c**ts hair is likely to separate 10th and lower mid table, that the conclusions you can draw about the difference in quality is likely to be limited? As ever, glad for your informed critique. Fine. We finish, say, thirteenth and you can spend the whole summer whining that really honestly we were the tenth best. Honest we were. Fill your boots mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 But we are not in a relegation fight I mean Villa will still be a massive two points behind if they win tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 But we are not in a relegation fight I mean Villa will still be a massive two points behind if they win tonight. They could even be safe by the time they face Wigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 This is all just foreplay, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 April, 2013 Share Posted 29 April, 2013 We won't go down, but after villa's win tonight there's a real possibilty we could finish 17th. Which would be a massive anticlimax after the season we've had. Just a few more points, 3 or 4, would probably see us finish 12th-14th, though my predo is 15th. 9 points though would see us finish top half. Let's GET THEM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 We're going to end up somewhere between 9th and 18th. There isn't going to be much difference between those positions, to be honest (maybe 10 points or so, in total?) Best guess is that we finish somewhere in the middle of that spread (12th or 14th-ish). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 We won't go down and we won't finish tenth. We aren't as bad as some make out and no where near as good as others think. Where we are now is about where we will finish. 12th-15th. This is an accurate reflection of our squads level. I'm sure people will now randomly pick or ignore games and cherry pick amounts of games, or come up with a league table as to how it would look if only players with the the letter R in their name their scored this season to 'prove' we are better than we really are. Ive said this for most of the season and been sneered at for it. Glad to help. I rather like you when you're not trolling. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 April, 2013 Share Posted 30 April, 2013 They could even be safe by the time they face Wigan WE could even be safe by the time we face Sunderland, even if we lose to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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