WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 IF we stay on 39 points we are extremely unlikely to be relegated but would prefer us to get at least a point tomorrow to wrap safety up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cool Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 We need 1 point from two games against mediocre opposition. I think we can do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 We need 1 point from two games against mediocre opposition. I think we can do it And probably don't even need that.... Still, let's hope the whole issue is moot by this time tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points we will be relegated. I have been consistent in my view for many weeks now. There will be twists and turns in the last two games ad we are far from safe. Does that mean you are willing to bet a decent sum of money with me that the 18th placed team will have either: A) less than 39 points or B) 39 points but a worse GD than us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points it means we are likely to be relegated. For a start it means Sunderland will leapfrog us as they will have beaten us. Norwich and Newcastle also have very winnable games this weekend which means they could easily leapfrog us as we'll. And Wigan look like they will beat Villa on the final day - who will be above us. So really we are counting on Wigan getting nothing more than a draw from Arsenal - and Norwich and Newcastle to get the same out of the last 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points it means we are likely to be relegated. For a start it means Sunderland will leapfrog us as they will have beaten us. Norwich and Newcastle also have very winnable games this weekend which means they could easily leapfrog us as we'll. And Wigan look like they will beat Villa on the final day - who will be above us. So really we are counting on Wigan getting nothing more than a draw from Arsenal - and Norwich and Newcastle to get the same out of the last 2 games. "Likely" to be relegated? Really? I would say its no more than "possible". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points it means we are likely to be relegated. That means you expect Wigan to beat Arsenal. If they don't then the net GD switch from us losing our games, plus Wigan beating Villa, ( having drawn at the Emirates ), has to be at least 12, that's three 4-0s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Simply the only way we can get relegated is if Wigan win both their games and we lose both of ours. 4 points for them isn't enough as our goal difference is very unlikely to be bettered by them. Wigan winning both and us losing both? No. My biggest worry is that we'll finish 17th, which after the season we've had would be a disappointment, irrespective of whether we'd have taken that at the start of the season. I can't see it happening, I think we'll pick up three points minimum from our last two games. Remember too a point tomorrow sees us mathmatically safe, as we can't be overtaken by both Wigan and Villa, who play on the last day. Any doubts? Put a large amount of money on Wigan winning against Arsenal on Tuesday. Happy if they lose, as it guarantees Saints safety (pending us not securing our own status tomorrow), consolation prize of money if they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Doesn't everyone else see through the Dalek persona like I do? He is the worst of the 'happy clappers' - he is so desperate for Saints to do well that he believes if he can be superstitiously negative and downbeat then everything will turn out ok in the end. It bursts through in his posts (most notably his pre-match predictions). It is a part of his routine - predict the worse as superstition that Saints do well if he predicts they won't. He's done it for a good while now and deep down inside there is nothing more he wants than to be wrong, but he is scared stiff the moment he stops the nonsense things really will take a turn for the worse for Saints. He is everything he doesn't want to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 11 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 11 May, 2013 I was hoping Wigan would lose the FA Cup They may benefit from a "bounce" on Tuesday? Or they will be knackered?? I suggest Saints do us all a favour and stuff Sunderland tomorrow - that way we can all have a restful week and not have to worry !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 I was hoping Wigan would lose the FA Cup They may benefit from a "bounce" on Tuesday? Or they will be knackered?? I suggest Saints do us all a favour and stuff Sunderland tomorrow - that way we can all have a restful week and not have to worry !! [/quote We're also safe is we draw v Sunderland. I'd take that right now. We're 99.9% to stay up whatever the result though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 I was hoping Wigan would lose the FA Cup They may benefit from a "bounce" on Tuesday? Or they will be knackered?? I suggest Saints do us all a favour and stuff Sunderland tomorrow - that way we can all have a restful week and not have to worry !! I was trying to figure this out the whole of today. On one hand they're going to be elated that they've won the FA Cup, and that could give them a certain amount of belief and resolve going into the final 2 games that they can stay up no matter what. On the other hand, they're proper pleased they've won the FA Cup, so will probably go out partying into the small hours tonight, and then they've got a tough game at Arsenal on Tuesday having played 4 games in 2 weeks (compared to Arsenal's 2 games in 2 weeks). So the elation of winning the cup could mean they are more likely to get a result at Arsenal, or could equally mean they're less likely to get a result at Arsenal...we'll find out on Tuesday night. Just hope Saints put it to bed tomorrow and draw/win, but really can't see that happening unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 May, 2013 Share Posted 11 May, 2013 Doesn't everyone else see through the Dalek persona like I do? He is the worst of the 'happy clappers' - he is so desperate for Saints to do well that he believes if he can be superstitiously negative and downbeat then everything will turn out ok in the end. It bursts through in his posts (most notably his pre-match predictions). It is a part of his routine - predict the worse as superstition that Saints do well if he predicts they won't. He's done it for a good while now and deep down inside there is nothing more he wants than to be wrong, but he is scared stiff the moment he stops the nonsense things really will take a turn for the worse for Saints. He is everything he doesn't want to be There is some truth in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Doesn't everyone else see through the Dalek persona like I do? He is the worst of the 'happy clappers' - he is so desperate for Saints to do well that he believes if he can be superstitiously negative and downbeat then everything will turn out ok in the end. It bursts through in his posts (most notably his pre-match predictions). It is a part of his routine - predict the worse as superstition that Saints do well if he predicts they won't. He's done it for a good while now and deep down inside there is nothing more he wants than to be wrong, but he is scared stiff the moment he stops the nonsense things really will take a turn for the worse for Saints. He is everything he doesn't want to be he hates Hoddle as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Hopefully we will know by the end of today that we are safe - DIY Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Simply the only way we can get relegated is if Wigan win both their games and we lose both of ours. 4 points for them isn't enough as our goal difference is very unlikely to be bettered by them. Wigan winning both and us losing both? No.. AND Newcastle and Norwich also have to pick up at least 2 points from their final two matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 AND Newcastle and Norwich also have to pick up at least 2 points from their final two matches. Which they probably will; Toon will beat QPR today. Still don't fancy finishing 17th though so we need points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Which they probably will; Toon will beat QPR today. Still don't fancy finishing 17th though so we need points. I'd have taken 17th at the start and prize money aside I don't see how it matters, but I can't see us NOT winning at least one of the last two games anyway. We only need one point for safety though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 (edited) AND Newcastle and Norwich also have to pick up at least 2 points from their final two matches. That's true, but hard to shoe horn into an accumulator. I think the point is that if you want to hedge on Saints being relegated than place an accumulator bet on Sunderland to beat Saints, Wigan to beat Arsenal, Stoke to beat Saints and Wigan to beat Villa. That will get you odds of about 200/1. All four of these results will have to happen for Saints to go down, so this is a wiser hedge than to back Saints to be relegated at 100/1. Of course, you could feasibly win the 200/1 bet and still see Saints survive! Edited 12 May, 2013 by SaintBobby Got the Wigan v Arsenal bet the wrong way round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 That's true, but hard to shoe horn into an accumulator. I think the point is that if you want to hedge on Saints being relegated than place an accumulator bet on Sunderland to beat Saints, Arsenal to beat Wigan, Stoke to beat Saints and Wigan to beat Villa. That will get you odds of about 200/1. All four of these results will have to happen for Saints to go down, so this is a wiser hedge than to back Saints to be relegated at 100/1. Of course, you could feasibly win the 200/1 bet and still see Saints survive! Other way around, but you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points we will be relegated. I have been consistent in my view for many weeks now. There will be twists and turns in the last two games ad we are far from safe. If we stay on 39 we will stay up. More likely not only to stay up but to finish 15th on 39 than get relegated. Relax Dalek, remember I get it right, you don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points we will be relegated if Norwich and Newcastle win one of their remaining two games. But if we stay on 39 points we would deserve to be relegated. Relax, it won't happen, because we won't finish on 39 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 we will stay up. More likely not only to stay up but to finish 15th on 39 than get relegated. Relax Dalek, remember I get it right, you don't Probability of coming 15th-18th if we finish on 39 points (%) 22 46 29 3 So more than seven times more likely to come 15th than go down if we lose both matches, and fifteen times more likely to come 16th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points we will be relegated if Norwich and Newcastle win one of their remaining two games. But if we stay on 39 points we would deserve to be relegated. Relax, it won't happen, because we won't finish on 39 points. how on earth do you work that out. Wigan will not beat Arsenal so everything else is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Other way around, but you know that. Ta. Will edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 If we stay on 39 points we will be relegated if Norwich and Newcastle win one of their remaining two games. But if we stay on 39 points we would deserve to be relegated. Relax, it won't happen, because we won't finish on 39 points. No, we won't, Wigan need to win 2 matches, including one away to Arsenal before Norwich and Newcastle even come into the equation for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Charlie Adams misses next match. Just Red Carded. Helps us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Charlie Adams misses next match. Just Red Carded. Helps us. had it coming, been his usual c**tish self all afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 But if we stay on 39 points we would deserve to be relegated. ???? If true, it makes you wonder why we have bothered to play 36 other matches this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Interesting to see the mood of the forum has changed from it being brilliant that the teams below us were winning as it meant the teams above us were catchable to it now being vital that the teams below us lose as we could still go down. There was me thinking we were on an unstoppable charge to a top half finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 No, we won't, Wigan need to win 2 matches, including one away to Arsenal before Norwich and Newcastle even come into the equation for us. Of course Wigan can't beat Arsenal, just like they couldn't beat Man City. Point is that relying on other teams losing is not the way to success in the Prem, it's what your own team does that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Interesting to see the mood of the forum has changed from it being brilliant that the teams below us were winning as it meant the teams above us were catchable to it now being vital that the teams below us lose as we could still go down. There was me thinking we were on an unstoppable charge to a top half finish. Typical clapper mentality, heads in the clouds for this season and looking forward as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Personally I wouldn't worry too much, next season we will be CL contenders Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We are safe on 40 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pele Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Yes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 4.40pm on Sunday 12th May, we are above Villa, therefore we are safe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Confirmed safe now right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Yep; safe now. Cannot be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We are SAFE!!!! COYR!! Villa and Wigan both below us!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Confirmed safe now right? Unless Stoke beat us 16-0, Wigan win both of their games, Newcastle beat Spurs away and Fulham beat Swansea. So yep, we're safe. As we have been for weeks to be honest! We seemed to want to make it more interesting than it should have been though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Confirmed safe now right? Barring a 15-0 loss to Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We are now mathematically safe. Wigan could win their next 2 games against Arsenal and Villa to go above us, but that would mean Villa would loose their last game and remain below us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 We are safe. Wigan win both there games then, short of us conceding less then twelve, Villa will be below us. we are safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Barring a 15-0 loss to Stoke. Even the Dalek will not dispute this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Given our goal diff and the fact the Villa play Wigan on last day I think we are now safe ? Is that right - unless our goal diff gets battered at some stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Unless Stoke beat us 16-0, Wigan win both of their games, Newcastle beat Spurs away and Fulham beat Swansea. Saints 0 - 7 Stoke would be the worrying score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Safe, Time to strengthen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Yep; safe now. Cannot be relegated. Not true, if we lose by 10 goals more than Villa do against Wigan we can still go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Never in doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 May, 2013 Share Posted 12 May, 2013 Unless Stoke beat us 16-0, Wigan win both of their games, Newcastle beat Spurs away and Fulham beat Swansea. So yep, we're safe. As we have been for weeks to be honest! We seemed to want to make it more interesting than it should have been though. You have to spoil it dont you, I wont sleep tonight now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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