alpine_saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 My reasoning, look at all the "nailed on -must win home games" (Wigan, Norwich, Sunderland, QPR, west brom, Fulham etc) Yep, read it and weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Yep, read it and weep. This makes no sense - there is no such thing as 'nailed on wins' or even 'points' for Saints but there are for the teams around us. Pray tell me what the difference is between these teams starting elevens and ours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Or when drunk. Disappointingly given the circumstances, I'd only had 2 pints all day - possibly the only time since I've left that I wished I was going back to Newport for the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 (edited) This makes no sense - there is no such thing as 'nailed on wins' or even 'points' for Saints but there are for the teams around us. Pray tell me what the difference is between these teams starting elevens and ours? These posts remind me of last year, and even the year before. West Ham were made out to be this unbeatable winning machine and they would overhaul us for sure, but we pipped them to it and were better than them over the course of the year. Same with Huddersfield and P'boro in L1, it was absoloutley nailed on that they would keep winning and we would lose lots of games. But it didn't happen, we held our nerve against a Huddersfield onslaught - it has to be said, but that run-in took nerves of steel from our players. I think the last 2 seasons and the pressure we've had to endure is a benefit to us this year, I don't think we've got players who hide away in the background - that's why I'm not worried, as I think they'll all come to the forefront when they need to and they'll prove who is best at the end of the day. I think they're a little guilty of complacency in the WBA game, and they probably know it deep down. The Spurs performance was much better and no one hid away, we took a top 4 team and gave them a real game on Saturday. I take positives from that display, as many people were predicting a complete mauling, but actually they didn't deserve to win it. We needed a response to show that we're still alive and aware of the situation, and we got it in my opinion. Edited 7 May, 2013 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If we go down you have to question Pochettino Cortese Corteses signings Corteses lack of relevant signings Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 (edited) If we go down you have to question... Pochettino Cortese Corteses signings Corteses lack of relevant signings Reed And if we stay up you have to credit... Pochettino Adkins Cortese The club's wealth of relevant signings Reed (but many won't and will continue to be negative) Edited 7 May, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 These posts remind me of last year, and even the year before. West Ham were made out to be this unbeatable winning machine and they would overhaul us for sure, but we pipped them to it and were better than them over the course of the year. Same with Huddersfield and P'boro in L1, it was absoloutley nailed on that they would keep winning and we would lose lots of games. But it didn't happen, we held our nerve against a Huddersfield onslaught - it has to be said, but that run-in took nerves of steel from our players. I think the last 2 seasons and the pressure we've had to endure is a benefit to us this year, I don't think we've got players who hide away in the background - that's why I'm not worried, as I think they'll all come to the forefront when they need to and they'll prove who is best at the end of the day. I think they're a little guilty of complacency in the WBA game, and they probably know it deep down. The Spurs performance was much better and no one hid away, we took a top 4 team and gave them a real game on Saturday. I take positives from that display, as many people were predicting a complete mauling, but actually they didn't deserve to win it. We needed a response to show that we're still alive and aware of the situation, and we got it in my opinion. I love this time of year on the forum. Alpine really comes into his own, like clockwork predicting doom every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If we go down you have to question Pochettino Cortese Corteses signings Corteses lack of relevant signings Reed If we go down I'll have to question the usefulness of probability statistics, and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I love this time of year on the forum. Alpine really comes into his own, like clockwork predicting doom every single time. "This time of year" being days with a Y in, presumably ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If the Doomsday Scenario of relegation comes to pass, it won't be a walk in the park back up to the Prem next season either. Would Pochettino stay? Would he be any good in the Championship anyway? He wants to eventually join the elite mangers' group of Pep, Jose, Alex et al, so cannot see him wanting to slum it in the second division for long. His reputation would take a hammering from relegation though, inhibiting his options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 So maybe the clappers will admit we never needed our luxury signing of Ramirez and a better rounded premiership class player for £12million? Or Forren? Or Mayuka? Theres £19 million wasted there straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Are we still not safe yet? I keep checking this thread for an update and nothing!!!! Yep. We were safe once we got 39. Relax and enjoy the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 So maybe the clappers will admit we never needed our luxury signing of Ramirez and a better rounded premiership class player for £12million? Or Forren? Or Mayuka? Theres £19 million wasted there straight away. If we end up selling them at a loss without them having performed well over a period of time, I will admit they were poor signings. For now, I will only recognize that they haven't lived up to expectations this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I have come to the conclusion that there are some very odd people on this Board who seem to revel and take comfort in their own team's (and by proxy therefore their own) misfortune to the point where they are only truly happy when things are going wrong. I will see if I can find anything on Google for this disturbed state of mind and any therapy which may assist. Possibly not living in a **** boring country on the continent may help certain of the protagonists for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I love this time of year on the forum. Alpine really comes into his own, like clockwork predicting doom every single time. Alpine Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 I am just waiting for him to state that we should rest our key players on Sunday. After all , they could get seriously injured and would not be fit for us to play in the Championship next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 It's a natural reaction to be worried right now, I am for the first time in weeks. A Swansea win would put a stop to that. After beating Liverpool and Chelsea many people thought we were going to continue that good run of form but it never happened, it never was going to, it wasn't realistic. Yet now we have lost 2 games in a row it's suddenly nailed on that this run of defeats will continue. I'm predicting that run won't realistically continue, it might only be a point or two, but it will be enough Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 We are not safe yet. (and I haven´t followed this thread so perhaps someone already taken this angle before me) Which team would you wanna swap position with at the moment of the teams from 40 points and down? Fulham. Have Liverpool home and Swansea away. Tough games but can see them pick up a draw at Swansea but might be a nervous game depending of results this weekend. A maybe for me about a swap. Aston Villa Chelsea home, Wigan away. They are in form but if they dont pick up anything against Chelsea their final game can be very very nervy. Wouldn´t wanna play that kind of game away and to crazy Wigan. A small maybe but think not even though they are in good form now. Sunderland Saints at home, Tottenham away. This weekend is their best choice since we are quite goal shy at the moment but meeting us you never know what you´re up against. When we have our good days we are very tough to beat. And with 3 best goalscorers out of the team.... A no for me. Norwich West Brom at home, Man C away. Their best chance is this weekend but West Brom is also a team that can be brilliant or quite poor, what will they be this weekend....? Cant see them getting anything at Man C. Last game, home and hopefully good weather is always a good inspiration for the home team. A no for me. Newcastle QPR away, Arsenal at home. Obviously best chance at the weekend against QPR but can be tricky to play a team in their final home game and they might even want to show some pride to their fans....(yeah yeah I know, pride and QPR players......). Arsenal at home they historically can pik up points against but cant count on that and Arsenal is probably in a dogfight for CL spot. A weak yes but very weak. Wigan. Swansea at home, Arsenal away, Aston Villa at home. Yes they are in decent form and has shown they can score a lot of goals but still they need to pick up points and that´s easier said than done. Much is on tonight of course, if they dont win they will be in a tough spot and with a draw tonight, lose at Arsenal and win against Aston Villa put them on 39, I only see Norwich as the team they can pass then.... So for me, I wouldn´t make a swap but we need to perform like we did at Spurs, then I´m confident we stay up and maybe might finish 13-14th.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If nothing else, at least this thread puts paid to all of the "we love the Football League" stuff that was being bandied about last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If nothing else, at least this thread puts paid to all of the "we love the Football League" stuff that was being bandied about last year. Does it? I hope we stay up, but if we do go down the pros of Championship football would outweigh much of the disappointment of relegation for me. We've been really impressive to watch at times this season, but I can't say I've thoroughly enjoyed going to games much more than last year. Making up the numbers in the Premier League or competing in the Championship? Not much in it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Sorry but you are wrong. One thing you can say for "CERTAIN" is 39 MAY be enough. It is far from a fact to say that 39 would see us relegated. 39 could, and I think probably will, be enough. These results have us finishing in 15th...(39 points!) Sunderland 4 - 0 Saints Saints 0 - 4 Stoke Wigan 0 - 0 Swansea Arsenal 1 - 0 Wigan Wigan 4 - 0 Villa Norwich 0 - 0 WBA Man C 1 - 0 Norwich QPR 0 - 0 Newcastle Newcastle 0 - 1 Arsenal That will be enough if any of these teams' results happen, not all, just one! I think at least one, if not more than one of Wigan, Newcastle or Norwich will fail to better those results meaning two 4-0 defeats would be plenty. Safe before last game?? If we lose to Sunderland we are still safe before last game if Wigan don't get at least two points from Swansea and arsenal. (If Wigan lose home to Swansea can't see them staying up whatever happens in any other game this season) If we draw with Sunderland we are safe before Stoke game if Wigan don't beat one out of Arsenal and Swansea. Relax, if we get just one point from last two games (which would mean the last 6 games was worst period in whole season) For us to go down we would need BOTH of Wigan and Aston Villa to take points in their games against Chelsea and Arsenal. One of them getting great result would still mean 1 point enough. Reckon Fulham more likely to go down than us I was too pessimistic 39 is safe. Lose to Sunderland and still very good chance we go into last weekend mathematically safe (my season long prediction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 YES! And a load of helmets just practically lost a load of ludicrous bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Getting closer - unless Wigan win at the Arse, we will almost certainly be OK, even wthout another point. ( unless we can throw away a +12 GD advantage ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 YES! And a load of helmets just practically lost a load of ludicrous bets. It was never in doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 YES! And a load of helmets just practically lost a load of ludicrous bets. Serves them right. At least Dalek and Alpine might now STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 All over for the 39 and above club now. They won't win at Arsenal and even a draw won't get them above us. FWIW I still think Wigan will stay up. Norwich or Newcastle will lose both their remaining games and I think they'll beat Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Serves them right. At least Dalek and Alpine might now STFU. To be fair I'm sure they are just as relieved as the rest of us. To summarise: If we win on Sunday we stay up If we draw and Villa lose v Chelsea we stay up If we lose and Wigan fail to beat Arsenal we stay up If none of the above then it all goes down to the final Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 We are and have been since we got onto 39 points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Serves them right. At least Dalek and Alpine might now STFU. If you think we are safe on 39 points then you are mad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Serves them right. At least Dalek and Alpine might now STFU. I doubt it, after all there's 3 months until next season and we still haven't signed anyone yet FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If you think we are safe on 39 points then you are mad ! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If you think we are safe on 39 points then you are mad ! Pack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If you think we are safe on 39 points then you are mad ! No, just realistic. Unless Wigan win @ Arsenal, 39 will ( barring a 12 goal swing in the GD ) be safe. And that's without considering Norwich or Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2013 To be fair I'm sure they are just as relieved as the rest of us. To summarise: If we win on Sunday we stay up If we draw and Villa lose v Chelsea we stay up If we lose and Wigan fail to beat Arsenal we stay up If none of the above then it all goes down to the final Sunday. I shall sleep more easily tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 In answer to the question - Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypie Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 surly wigan have to win both games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 So maybe the clappers will admit we never needed our luxury signing of Ramirez and a better rounded premiership class player for £12million? Or Forren? Or Mayuka? Theres £19 million wasted there straight away. Are you seriously writing off Forren? Please let this be a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If you hurry you get get a decent 150/1 on saints being relegated on betfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 If you think we are safe on 39 points then you are mad ! I am mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 (edited) If you think we are safe on 39 points then you are mad ! I told you a while ago 38 would be safe. Mad? I like to call it correct. Edited 7 May, 2013 by Chewy Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 surly wigan have to win both games? No. They could draw with Arsenal and then beat Villa 13-0. Of course, if we lose our next two games 6-0, they'd only need a 1-0 win over Villa. Bloody hell. Alpine's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Wigan are gone now. Good riddance is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 There goes the 39 points will not be enough party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 So maybe the clappers will admit we never needed our luxury signing of Ramirez and a better rounded premiership class player for £12million? Or Forren? Or Mayuka? Theres £19 million wasted there straight away. Haha they were bad when we were going down with them. Now they are bad because we look likely to stay up with them.? Notice you haven't been on Jay "wouldn't be half what we paid for him" Rods case as much recently? Wrong again were ya mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 The battle for 4th place is very significant in all of this. If Spurs don't pick up points at Chelsea tomorrow or against Stoke on Sunday then Arsenal are guaranteed 4th which means they can play the reserves against Wigan - A game I can see Wigan winning. We need Spurs to stay in the chase so that Arsenal go into their game against Wigan needing 3 points to secure 4th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Alpine Saint Is he escaping from colditz or the other Austrians bunker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 No not mathematically, but very likely! Beat Sunderland or arsenal beat Wigan on Tuesday, and yes we are safe. I still fancy finishing above West Ham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 We'll get a point at Sunderland+Chelsea will beat Villa=We'll be safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 (edited) Now time for some perspective! For those who continued to believe all other teams could win and we will lose all our matches I list the last 6 matches for the following bottom teams bar Reading and QPR 1) Villa W3D1L2 pts 10 2) Saints W2D2L2 pts 8 3) Wigan W2D2L2 pts 8 4) Sunderland W2D1L3 pts 7 5) Westham W1D4L1 pts 7 6) Stoke W2D1L3 pts 7 7) Swansea W1D3L2 pts 6 New C W1D2L3 pts 5 9) Norwich W1D1L4 pts 4 10) Fulham W0D1L5 pts 1 As we can see the average pts per game is barely more than 1.25 a game and there are always at least 2 or 3 teams with less than 1pt a game in this case Fulham, Newcastle and Norwich I also note Saints have done as well as anyone in the bottom half over the last 6 games apart from Villa That is why we were always safe on 39 ands all these theories that everyone will win whilst we lose, or that all bottom teams would average 2 to 3 points a game, are nothing but myths Only Villa gained any points over us over the last 6 games, and then only 2! This shows just how difficult it is to make up a 6 point difference over 6 games, when there are many teams below us, and this is why probabilities and bookies are inevitably right and we were always safe on 39 points what ever the wrist slitters said! QED Edited 7 May, 2013 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 May, 2013 Share Posted 7 May, 2013 Wigan are gone now. Good riddance is all I can say. Not so sure. I think it's quite feasible that one or more of Newcastle and Norwich will lose their last two games meaning one Wigan win would probably keep them up, as long as they don't get hammered in their other match. I can see a Wigan win against Villa sending one of the Ns down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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