Crazy Diamond Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 His first Premier League game today and he got horrendous abuse in the first half. To be honest, I was in a world of my own today, and didn't really understand why he got so much stick. Was he really that bad? Apparently all three sendings off were justified - I saw from the other end of the pitch that Fox was going to walk but can't comment about the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Just home fans getting on his back a bit for a couple of minor decisions. By all accounts spot on for the sendings off, I only really saw Ramirez's clearly but it was utterly blatant and stupid. I still get p*ssed off with the bloody linesmen who are 5 yards away from a throw in decision yet utterly bottle it and look to the ref to make the decision, who is further away and worse-sighted. Happened a few times today, rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 The red cards were correct. Still think defenders are allowed to climb on and hold Lambert too much. (but Rickie needs to make more of an effort to show that to the ref too) Did make an slight error on Ramirez red card. He should have taking the play back and award us the free kick for all the pulling Long did of Ramirez arms and then awarded the red cards. But that is a small mistake in the big picture of that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 he did OK, got the main decisions right, As usual our sheep fans just booing cos every one else was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr00031 Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Did well, don't think he got a big decision wrong all afternoon. Was right to send off all three players. Unusual to see us get players sent off though, when was the last sending off we had? Lambert at Brighton? It's a been a fair while since, but two in one afternoon is quite poor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Did well, don't think he got a big decision wrong all afternoon. Was right to send off all three players. Unusual to see us get players sent off though, when was the last sending off we had? Lambert at Brighton? It's a been a fair while since, but two in one afternoon is quite poor! Fox at Birmingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 The ref was fine today, a good premiership debut. Didn't get much wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 The only decisions he got right were the 3 red cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 I was absolutely fuming today thought the ref had a terrible game today , watched the replys after getting home and now think he was spot on just goes to show what alcohol and standing at the back does for your perspective ! But if he had stopped play before Gastons red..............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2013 To be honest, I think Mr. Madley will have to get used to that treatment at our place - can't remember too many games this season where the chant 'we always get sh*t refs' doesn't get sung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Will have to see the red cards again but first thoughts was he was terrible, hardly got anything right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Trouble is he let an absolute battering of Jos go scot free then books Jos I think for something not dissimilar: which in the coliseum that is St Mary's with Saints tinted spectacles just whips us all up into a frenzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Personally thought he made a few decisions that made him look inconsistent and positioning led to him getting in the way of a few passes. Sounds like the red cards were justified but from my viewpoint he should have blown up for a foul on ramirez well before the elbow! Also a bit miffed with his letting Foster time waste so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 (edited) Lets just man the **** up, stop whimpering and say we got dicked by a better perfromance (I believe the teams are not that far apart) and move on, Ramirez and Fox have been **** all season why are we surpised? The clappers have to see now, they have to see what we have been saying, this team is weak and Cortese failed to buy in the summer and we could still pay for that, unlikely but a huge gamble on his part, we will need to spend millions on getting into the top 6, I mean millions and we simply wont, thats obvious, Liverpool can and will always outspend us so therefore will nearly always be above us. Thats only the first team to get past consistantly and than you have the other 6/7 teams. Edited 27 April, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 The Saints players were livid with the small decisions. Rickie has a foul given against him from a corner - Lukaku does the same thing & nothing. He also could hav stopped the play as Long was holding Ramirez as he ran away from him. That said, we were still ****e!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53andout Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Sending off of Ramirez totally correct Yes the ref could have blown up. But as fans we are quick enough to moan when the advantage isn't played, that said I don't know if he made contact but then intent warrants a red car, ifs he didn't the. Long should hold his head in disgrace. As for the Fox sending off to far away to really have an opinion that said he certainly appeared to leave the ground with both feet. As fans we are all blinkered in our approach that said well done WBA and that is the next level we need to aim for over the next couple of season before we start thinking of the champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 No complaints about the red cards but he missed most things particularly Olson hugging Lambert by placing both his arms over his shoulders and Longs three fouls in succession on Ramirez. He is only reffing in the Prem because so many others have been demoted for crap performances. All I ask is that they give the obvious ones right in front of their noses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2013 A lot of praise for him tonight - suppose it's easy to judge when you're looking at edited highlights and not the full 90 minutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 No elbow raised, Ramirez was trying to throw him off after the **** had been pulling at him for twenty yards or so. You could see the WBA player waiting for an arm to be raised before going down clutching his face. C^nt. If that had been a Spaniard or South American going down in such fashion there would be an outcry. No trainer needed at the time, and he didn't look bruised on MOTD as might have been expected if Ramirez made contact. If Madley had witnessed the original foul against Ramirez then the game would have been halted before the 'incident'. Their bloke too, no 'slap' or assault. All handbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Both our reds were nailed on, dont see what else he could have done. The comments above about Long though, I tend to agree with. He reminds me a lot of that ratboy who always, always scored against us after niggling all game with fouls that were just this side of a yellow, the Villa striker, what the hell his name was eludes me. Still no complaints about todays reds though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 I don't disagree with the sendings off but he never had control of the game at any stage was inconsistent and just seemed to forget what he was doing for the double sending off. He first of all indicates a foul to us then sends off Ramirez runs around and sends off the WBA player and then gives them a free kick in a totally different part of the pitch to the first incident! I thought he was totally out of his depth and that it should have been pretty to obvious to anyone by half time that he shouldn't be refereeing in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 (edited) it's not often I feel sorry for a referee. He will go down with some sort of record for showing 3 red cards on his Prem. debut, but it doesn't matter how many times you watch the replays - all three were warranted. Sadly, there were a number of other incidents that he missed that won't auger well for his future at this level. Now the FA (?) will have to decide to carry on as normal and use him again next week, or give him a rest for the remainder of the season. If he ends up supervising a game with Villa or Wigan at the end of the season .....and awards a dubious penalty that decides someone's fate ..... all h*ll will be let loose. Either way, he'll get criticised by fans in his (eventual) next match, and accused by losing managers for every card he issues in future. Edited 28 April, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 The sending offs were correct. But apart from that he missed a lot, and didn't let the game flow at all. Mind you, he wasn't as bad as 80% of our side today. We were well beaten, end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 The ref had a poor game overall.If you look back at reviews of this ref he has been criticised for lack of control at other games,same for ours.The reds were right,but should have given us a foul on Gaston before the elbow incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 I don't disagree with the sendings off but he never had control of the game at any stage was inconsistent and just seemed to forget what he was doing for the double sending off. He first of all indicates a foul to us then sends off Ramirez runs around and sends off the WBA player and then gives them a free kick in a totally different part of the pitch to the first incident! I thought he was totally out of his depth and that it should have been pretty to obvious to anyone by half time that he shouldn't be refereeing in the Prem. Agreed. He was rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 He was fine. All three red cards correct it now appears on MoTD. If you want to abuse anyone after yesterday, I can find ten people wearing red whose performance was 10% of the man wearing black... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Just because he may have got the three red cards right, doesn't mean he had a good game. He got almost everything else wrong. He was not the reason we lost though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Just because he may have got the three red cards right, doesn't mean he had a good game. He got almost everything else wrong. He was not the reason we lost though. Totally agree with your views, he got Red Cards correct and let west Brom get away with too much in the game Lambert consistany fouled , and should surely have booked Long for tugging Gaston back sevral times before he tried to push him off But poor decsions didn't affected result West Brom were better than us and their game plan of hitting us on the break with pace worked agian as it did at the Hawthorns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 When Gaston got sent off, he gave us the free-kick. He clearly pointed towards their goal. I don't reckon he saw Gaston's arm, and was influenced by what happened after. Stopping the game in the first half, when we had a clear advantage, and then stopping us taking a quick free-kick, by comically making us put the ball back a yard, was at best, incompetent. I don't blame him for the result, or for the dismissals, which were correct, but he was out of his depth. He was crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 When Gaston got sent off, he gave us the free-kick. He clearly pointed towards their goal. I don't reckon he saw Gaston's arm, and was influenced by what happened after. Stopping the game in the first half, when we had a clear advantage, and then stopping us taking a quick free-kick, by comically making us put the ball back a yard, was at best, incompetent. I don't blame him for the result, or for the dismissals, which were correct, but he was out of his depth. He was crap. He also could have given us the free kick earlier than that too, Gaston was getting pulled back the moment he turned Long - no clear advantage because he was still being pulled back. His reaction was wrong however but just saying the ref could have stopped it at source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 All three reds were spot on but most of the rest of his performance was a joke but we should be used to it by now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Just because he may have got the three red cards right, doesn't mean he had a good game. He got almost everything else wrong. He was not the reason we lost though. 100% this. The scoreline, our performance, and the (correct) red cards mean the other 85 mins of the Ref's game rightly fade into the background, but he was terrible nonethelesss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 The only decisions he got right all day were the red cards. Missed some shocking pulls, pushes and climbs. Echo what other people are saying, he's not the reason we lost. We were sh!t, but so was the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 His first Premier League game today and he got horrendous abuse in the first half. To be honest, I was in a world of my own today, and didn't really understand why he got so much stick. Was he really that bad? Apparently all three sendings off were justified - I saw from the other end of the pitch that Fox was going to walk but can't comment about the other two. He was absolutely appalling in the first half, not seeing a load of incidents and woefully inconsistent in what he did give, specifically ignoring a bunch of over-physical contact by West Brom's midfield and a blatant shirt pull on Lambert in the box, a few climbing incidents in headers, and probably could have managed the Ramirez sending off situation better in blowing before he lashed out, though he was trying to play advantage. He did manage to get all 3 red cards right though, but the praise he got on MotD from Phil Neville last night just shows why people shouldn't make comments based on highlights or hearsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 We were awful and deserved to lose. Ref was awful but we would have lost regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 He had a poor game overall and was very inconsistent. He did get all three red cards 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 I'm not sure he got much wrong at all to be honest. I would imagine, he got a pretty decent scorecard from the observer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 He was very poor - no protection for Lambert etc - lots of shirt pulling and niggling by WBA. If he had blown up for the fouls on Ramirez then he wouldn't have tried to shrug the WBA bloke off and got sent off and neither would Fortune for WBA. Poor refereeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 IMO he was very poor. Although the red cards were correct, the fact that he had long since lost any control meant that the players did pretty much whatever they wanted all over the park. The ref has to take blame for the lack of discipline within the game which came from his lack of authority. When he did assert his authority - inevitably everyone had to stand around waiting for him to make his mind up about which way it was going to go. He then would make them move the ball a few inches to a different spot for the free kick? Players were blatent about shirt pulling it would seem knowing he would do little. Foster ignored his pleas for him to hurry up and the WBA players celebrated for an eternity when they scored with no consequence again despite his actioning for them to come back and pointing to his watch. Ramirez dodged two attempts at fouling him before Long chased him half the length of the pitch. No one can condon his actions but a lack of protection will result in people taking their own action. I am not talking about the Long fouls I am talking about the continous incidents throughout the game. IMO the ref has to take the blame for what happened yesterday. With no authority or control he created the environment for it. He also can't keep the time? Is that the ref's responsibility? 3 minutes extra time when we had 5 subs was it (2mins 30 seconds) a long stoppage for the sending off's, long stoppage for the gaols due to over celebration and time wasting by WBA? -I was grateful it was only 3 minutes but he was wrong there surely? I think we are unlikely to see an open, decent game of football whatever two teams are involved with this bloke in the middle of the park. WBA were simply better than us and would have beat us with any ref but this ref was very very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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