Stepgar Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Mauricio Pochettino conceded that the 3-0 defeat to West Brom was the worst performance of his tenure as Saints manager. We have shown a side of ourselves which is completely opposed to who we really are" Mauricio Pochettino A forgettable loss at St Mary’s was compounded by two red cards for the hosts as both Gaston Ramirez and Danny Fox saw red in the second 45 which was made worse by goals from Romelu Lukaku and Shane Long, after Marc-Antonie Fortune had given the Baggies a first half lead. “It is clear to me that West Brom were better than us today and I can’t really say anything other than that,” Pochettino told Saints Player after the game. “That is the worst defeat since I have been here in Southampton, the team didn’t show any positive aspects, which makes it the worst defeat in over three months. “We weren’t really in the game from the start and that is what happens when you are not. When we conceded the goal in the sixth minute we just started having problems, we were against a current and not able to get hold of the game. “We conceded a goal from a corner and then became really nervous and anxious and weren’t able to recover from that. Nothing was working for us today and basically we weren’t on the ball.” The gaffer didn’t place any of the blame on the dismissals of the two players, but admitted that he hadn’t had the best view of the incidents. “I did not see them clearly and I need to see the reviews on the TV before I can comment properly,” he said. “In the first half Jack Cork could have gone off as well for two yellow cards so it is something I need to review. “From my point of view on the pitch it is very hard to see what has happened. “There were other incidents that occurred during the match that could have also meant a red card or a yellow card at least, so we will review that but more importantly we need to review our performance today. We weren’t very good today and need to correct our mistakes.” Pochettino vowed to quickly put right the wrongs from the performance, and believes his side’s true character will return. “We have to learn from this defeat,” he acknowledged. “It has been a real tough defeat and we didn’t think that we would be defeated in such a way. We need to be intelligent, learn from this result and learn from our mistakes. “The team was not showing any of the negative signs that we have seen today through the week, I think we were uncomfortable from the beginning and I think overall we have just had a complete blackout today. “We have shown a side of ourselves which is completely opposed to who we really are.” Read more at http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-we-were-second-best-794581.aspx#8hzToZqMdJqDdYGc.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 I was at the opposite end of the pitch and it looked like Fox might get sent off. Wasn't surprised to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Time to adopt the Adkins blue line I think, before we say something we regret !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 No doubt whatsoever about Fox' red card being correct. It was an incredible stupid tackle to make. Ramirez' is more doubtful, but seemed correct as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 27 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Time to adopt the Adkins blue line I think, before we say something we regret !!! Good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 In the face of all the hot air and b*llocks Pochettino was mouthing off all week, he post match comments are an indight into how he's losing the plot, how his game plan has only been that of Nigel playing recklessly and without a thought for the consequences on the players and results long term. He needs to take his foot off the peddle and allow the players recovery and recuperation time. They're losing the plot, with inability to play with class. They've passed the line and reached beyond a reasonable limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 In the face of all the hot air and b*llocks Pochettino was mouthing off all week, he post match comments are an indight into how he's losing the plot, how his game plan has only been that of Nigel playing recklessly and without a thought for the consequences on the players and results long term. He needs to take his foot off the peddle and allow the players recovery and recuperation time. They're losing the plot, with inability to play with class. They've passed the line and reached beyond a reasonable limit Art you may have a point about this recovery thing and also wes said it last week too. I think the players are tired and Adkins was good on looking after players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Our players get plenty of rest time between games. I'm not buying the tired excuse. Today we were made to look pretty poor by a very decent WBA side. We need to improve, that's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 No doubt whatsoever about Fox' red card being correct. It was an incredible stupid tackle to make. Ramirez' is more doubtful, but seemed correct as well. There was no doubt about Ramirez' red either, but it was scandalous what Long (I think) was doing leading up to the incident. Doesn't excuse Gaston, but sometimes referees bring this on by not blowing for a free kick in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 In the face of all the hot air and b*llocks Pochettino was mouthing off all week, he post match comments are an indight into how he's losing the plot, how his game plan has only been that of Nigel playing recklessly and without a thought for the consequences on the players and results long term. He needs to take his foot off the peddle and allow the players recovery and recuperation time. They're losing the plot, with inability to play with class. They've passed the line and reached beyond a reasonable limit Think its you that has lost the plot Art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 There was no doubt about Ramirez' red either, but it was scandalous what Long (I think) was doing leading up to the incident. Doesn't excuse Gaston, but sometimes referees bring this on by not blowing for a free kick in the first place. If the ref had blown up he'd have been accused of not letting play flow and seeing if the advantage could be played. Ramirez was still ahead of the player(s) pulling him back and still trying to push forward, the ref was absolutely entitled to see how it panned out and call play back if necessary. I'd have been a bit annoyed had he not done that as Ramirez was clearly still trying to make the most of the break rather than making a meal of being pulled back. The mistake made was that the ref didn't go back to the original foul for the proceeding free kick, he instead just punished the elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughba Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Fox is an idiot. Most blatant red card ever. In my honest opinion however I don't think Ramirez's red card is justified. He was running and you need to pump your hands. Long was constantly tugging Ramirez back and the action Ramirez made was the action you make when you are trying to shrug off an opponent who is holding onto you arm. Long just so happened to not have his arm on Ramirez in that instance and Ramirez hits him. If you watch closely his 'elbow'(which I actually feel was the face of his arm) makes contacts with Long's chest but Long flings his head backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 To be honest he is just waffling - we were poor and he has to take some of the blame for sending out a team who were utterly clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 To be honest he is just waffling - we were poor and he has to take some of the blame for sending out a team who were utterly clueless. Im hoping some of what he says gets confused in translation. If not im worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 To be honest he is just waffling - we were poor and he has to take some of the blame for sending out a team who were utterly clueless. Thing is, there's not much you would have changed about that side. Fox had to play as shaw is injured; I'd have had Fonte instead of Hooiveld; but aside from that, it was a full strength first team. But you're correct in that clarke got his tactics spot on and knew just how to combat us. They outworked and outfought us in midfield, targetted Fox as the weak link, and broke fantastically quickly. I was quite impressed with WBA today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Thing is, there's not much you would have changed about that side. Fox had to play as shaw is injured; I'd have had Fonte instead of Hooiveld; but aside from that, it was a full strength first team. But you're correct in that clarke got his tactics spot on and knew just how to combat us. They outworked and outfought us in midfield, targetted Fox as the weak link, and broke fantastically quickly. I was quite impressed with WBA today. There is no way Lallana should of played. Puncheon has been frozen out when he hasn't been bad at all. He's but much better than Lallana all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 There is no way Lallana should of played. Puncheon has been frozen out when he hasn't been bad at all. He's but much better than Lallana all season. Agree - thought Punch should have started after Lallana's performance last week. He has much better understanding with Clyne and is more direct than Lallana. Jrod is an odd one as well. He still seems stuck on the left, albeit he has licence to come inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 There is no way Lallana should of played. Puncheon has been frozen out when he hasn't been bad at all. He's but much better than Lallana all season. Perhaps wouldn't disagree with that actually, Rog. Lallana has been dreadful lately. If anything today I thought that all he did was negate Clyne being able to get forward so well. Lallana really had a poor game today. Thought your boy Lambo had a bad game today too, Rog. Not that we've got much choice; JRod was marginally worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Perhaps wouldn't disagree with that actually, Rog. Lallana has been dreadful lately. If anything today I thought that all he did was negate Clyne being able to get forward so well. Lallana really had a poor game today. Thought your boy Lambo had a bad game today too, Rog. Not that we've got much choice; JRod was marginally worse. Lambert was rubbish today as he was vs swansea and west ham. Porch said that he hadn't been training properly for weeks. Hope the training methods haven't done him. Adkins was good at looking after players. J rod poor too. Prob is at swansea when they took Lambo off j rod is not strong enough to play as lone striker and we looked worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 Lambert was rubbish today as he was vs swansea and west ham. Porch said that he hadn't been training properly for weeks. Hope the training methods haven't done him. Adkins was good at looking after players. J rod poor too. Prob is at swansea when they took Lambo off j rod is not strong enough to play as lone striker and we looked worse. So sadly true. As impressed as I've been with JRod of late, today he was back to his start of season worst, a bit of a headless chicken. Lambert may be slow but he has ultimate composure; JRod often looks at times as if he can't take a shot without completely panicking and snatching at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 He has inherited a bunch of hairdressers, I have always said this and will continue until we get grit in the squad, they are about as scary as a drunk Mr Bean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 MP has lost it. Time to re-ignite the Hoddle debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 I blame the interpreter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 3 games, not mathematically safe, given an out of recent form spanking from a tidy team, time to earn his corn. Thought his post match comments were an honest assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 April, 2013 Share Posted 27 April, 2013 MP has lost it. Time to re-ignite the Hoddle debate. What's to debate ? Hoddle will never ever be even considered for being Saints' manager again. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 MP totally lost the tactical battle. WBA just picked us off on the break and really should have won 6-0. Yes, we were that bad. Both sending offs were justified, and I am actually glad that Fox can't play again this season. His tackle was criminal, just criminal. He could have broken the other guy's leg quite easily. No width and no tempo again - just like at Swansea. Either the players are tired or MP has lost his "aura." Isn't his record now worse than the latter part of NA's tenure (ignoring the first 10 games). I think we will need to get something against Stoke to stay up, which will be a terrible end to the season. I wouldn't be surprised if Cortese doesn't wield the axe again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 (edited) For those of us old enough to still be able to quote the Peter Principle.....these 3 remaining games will show just what MP is capable of. With Fox (and Ramirez) out for the rest of the season, how will MP re-organise things? First one's simple....most of us would say bring back Shaw, who did nothing wrong - except get a flu virus. The nagging thought at the back of my mind is ....will he dare to try Forran now? ...and against Spu*s .....and/ or for the later visit to the Stadium of Gloom. If he does play him and the guy plays a blinder... he'll become an accepted member of the squad - if not, he'll degenerate into the permanent "over-age player" in the U21 's for the rest of his career. Ramirez is another proposition. I've tried to remain open-minded all season, and TBF it hasn't been easy for him - but even those who admire his "occasional " flashes of brilliance have to admit that he looks nothing like the record signing that he was cracked up to be. I don't know if there is something in the " Latin temperament " that some causes players to react as they do, but clearly both he and Suarez will be on the early flight back to Montevideo as neither of them will be playing Prem. League again.... until August - at the earliest UNLESS Mr.Cortese can subtily convince him that, perhaps .. his future lays in Italy after all......before the value of his enormous transfer fee diminishes even more. Either way.. the future of both Fox and Ramirez (and one or two others).....looks to be in serious danger for next season. The next 3 weeks will show us what the Pochettino Effect can really achieve. Neither of the next two away games look particularly "winnable" on paper....and I'd hate to see our Prem. future hanging on a thread on the last day...if Wigan decide to stage one of their " late revivals ". SORRY !....The Peter Principle (for those unaware of the name); refers to the title of a book - published 40 odd years ago - by work-study expert Dr. Lawrence Peter who suggested that people in all types of organisations / companies can be promoted (regardless of any previous success) to a position of " incompetence " where they cannot cope or manage effectively. Maybe you work in such an organisation yourself? Edited 28 April, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 David you sound like you've met my HR department here in Jozi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Fox=loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Have to disagree with a lot of the comments here. For me, MP's post-match reaction was all it could be. Acknowledging the result and saying, as any manager would, that the reasons will be analysed. Every team loses games of football over a season, including losing at home, even the team winning the title. His comments about the red cards and the other bookable offences were far better than what you would hear from the Arsene Wenger School for Blind Football Managers. Until now, MP's players have not picked up many bookings, Schneiderlin maybe the exception, so it may be an aspect that he now sees that he needs to work on. I found his comments realistic and honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Time to adopt the Adkins blue line I think, before we say something we regret !!! To late for that, all the FM self taught managers, have been on here already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 To late for that, all the FM self taught managers, have been on here already! But we all HAVE experience of qualifying for & winning the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Interesting MP's comment about bring Cork off because of risk of cards. At half time we could easily regrouped and won, instead we rediscovered what we learned at the start of the seaon, without Spiderman & Cork as defenceive midfielders in front of the back 4 we have a nasty habit of getting stuffed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 Interesting MP's comment about bring Cork off because of risk of cards. At half time we could easily regrouped and won, instead we rediscovered what we learned at the start of the seaon, without Spiderman & Cork as defenceive midfielders in front of the back 4 we have a nasty habit of getting stuffed! Cork didn't actually get any cards though, can't remember him being overly aggressive either. Thought he looked off the pace ,not himself at all. Perhaps there was some off the ball stuff that the TV didn't show though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 David you sound like you've met my HR department here in Jozi oh you've got some too, have you ?.....It was almost compulsory reading 30 years ago, but the " new generation " sets other standards ....today hiring people is more like computer dating and " personal skills " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 I see that MP did'nt have Ward Prowse on the subs bench so no other suitable midfielderto bring on when he took Cork off Cork didn't actually get any cards though, can't remember him being overly aggressive either. Thought he looked off the pace ,not himself at all. Perhaps there was some off the ball stuff that the TV didn't show though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 28 April, 2013 Share Posted 28 April, 2013 I see that MP did'nt have Ward Prowse on the subs bench so no other suitable midfielderto bring on when he took Cork off JWP is injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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