Pochettino targets Champions League spot next season

[Saint Garrett]

Shrewd enough to have won f*ck all in the 11 years he's managed Everton. Don't tell me, he's done it all on a small budget.

 

I think it's more that they sold players who weren't even that good for a lot of money - Rodwell, Lescott. Tbf, you look at their key players, Baines/Jagielka/Fellaini/Jelavic (yes I know Fellaini cost a fortune!), and they didn't cost a lot altogether for how good they are. Baines is a great example of a young player growing to be a top top player. There is no reason why some of our boys cant do that.

[Marsdinho]

Yeah, he's a terrible manager isn't he.

 

Not terrible, just not the shrewdest in the league. I think, along with Martinez, he's got to be one of the most overrated managers going.

 

He's spent £75M on 42 players in his time at Everton (£6M on Beattie!!!!) and has got nothing to show for it.

 

NC would have had him out the door after the first or second season.

[Saint Garrett]

Not terrible, just not the shrewdest in the league. I think, along with Martinez, he's got to be one of the most overrated managers going.

 

He's spent £75M on 42 players in his time at Everton (£6M on Beattie!!!!) and has got nothing to show for it.

 

NC would have had him out the door after the first or second season.

 

Tbf, he's been top 8 for the last 10 years, apart from 2 seasons. Thats pretty decent mate.

[Saint Charlie]

Nigel is enjoying the prospect of relegation it would seem:

 

"All football clubs in whatever league is always looking to what division they could potentially be in next season."

[Marsdinho]

Tbf, he's been top 8 for the last 10 years, apart from 2 seasons. Thats pretty decent mate.

 

Fair enough, but you could also spin it that he has not been able to progress a team that consistently finishes top 8, to something a bit higher, despite spending £75M.

 

Also, a team that finishes top 8 most seasons, should have won a cup by now, to be fair.

 

Where do you think Moyes will end up if he leaves Everton - Man U, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal? - I doubt if he would get the gig at any of those; maybe Arsenal but why would they appoint someone that hasnt won anything, after 7 years of not winning anything.

 

I think he will need to go abroad to prove himself.

 

I've only one post left after this, so ill have to pick my response carefully.

[Sour Mash]

Shrewd enough to have won f*ck all in the 11 years he's managed Everton. Don't tell me, he's done it all on a small budget.

He's done it all on a small budget. If you don't think Moyes is a very shrewd manager, fair enough, but I think you'll be in a tiny minority in the footballing world.

[Saint Garrett]

But the 75m isn't net spend is it. Their net spend must be much much less. Fair play to them, they're a decent 'proper' club. I certainly wouldn't be complaining about finishing in the top 8 every season. If anything it's shown how difficult breaking into the 'top 4' as it was. But not so long ago Liverpool were better and more successful that them, but they've been consistent with some very good buys - fair play to them.

[Turkish]

Not terrible, just not the shrewdest in the league. I think, along with Martinez, he's got to be one of the most overrated managers going.

 

He's spent £75M on 42 players in his time at Everton (£6M on Beattie!!!!) and has got nothing to show for it.

 

NC would have had him out the door after the first or second season.

 

What about signings like Jagalka, Cahill, Baines, Lescott, Arteta and Howard whose combined fees were less than Jordan Henderson?

 

Spent £75m sold players for £122m, with 6 top 8 finishes in the last 7 seasons. Find me another manager with such a good, consistent league record who has also made a profit on transfers.

[Turkish]

But the 75m isn't net spend is it. Their net spend must be much much less. Fair play to them, they're a decent 'proper' club. I certainly wouldn't be complaining about finishing in the top 8 every season. If anything it's shown how difficult breaking into the 'top 4' as it was. But not so long ago Liverpool were better and more successful that them, but they've been consistent with some very good buys - fair play to them.

 

Based on his £75m they've made a £47m profit from transfers in his time there. Whilst maintaining a consistent top 8 finishes. Overrated and not shrewd though.

[stevy777_x]

What about signings like Jagalka, Cahill, Baines, Lescott, Arteta and Howard whose combined fees were less than Jordan Henderson?

 

Spent £75m sold players for £122m, with 6 top 8 finishes in the last 7 seasons. Find me another manager with such a good, consistent league record who has also made a profit on transfers.

 

Arsene Wenger?

[Turkish]

Arsene Wenger?

 

In the same period that Moyes has been at Everton, Wenger has broken even whilst spending around £250m.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

What about signings like Jagalka, Cahill, Baines, Lescott, Arteta and Howard whose combined fees were less than Jordan Henderson?

 

Spent £75m sold players for £122m, with 6 top 8 finishes in the last 7 seasons. Find me another manager with such a good, consistent league record who has also made a profit on transfers.

 

Cheers bud, you saved me looking this up myself. Anyone that knows anything about football knows what an incredible job Moyes has done at that club.

 

Laughable argument, Everton are skint, he has basically had to fund every transfer he makes. He has had a few that haven't worked out, but they are far outweighed by those that do work. The amount of players he signs, gets the best out of, then sells for a profit is stunning. They rarely go on to do much better at their new clubs.

 

Also think its testament to him that you very rarely here about players being unhappy at the club.

[Bearsy]

£6M on Beattie!!!!

 

Strikers graveyard, Everton. If i was good striker it's bout the last place I'd want to go. Jelavic would get twice as many goals playing for us.

[Olallana]

In the same period that Moyes has been at Everton, Wenger has broken even whilst spending around £250m.

 

And for that getting a big dosh of Champions League money....

[sandwichsaint]

Anyone reckon Moyes would have got 11 years at Saints?

[Turkish]

And for that getting a big dosh of Champions League money....

 

Which is the least you could expect for a £250m outlay, yes?

[scotty]

All this stuff about "targets" and "aims"......ffs, its so meaningless unless you put it into some sort of context. If the club are genuinely "targetting" a CL spot next season, that implies theres a financial plan to achieve that. Which means a large transfer budget and possibly stadium expansion. If MP is just saying that he hopes we might nick a CL spot, (which is how I read it,) well, dont we all? I would hope to be the highest earning person in my trade this year. I wont be, but if I was targetting that, I would have to move to London, spend a fortune on high-quality stock and showroom space, take on the best and most expensive employees, fund it all with borrowed capital, then hope it worked. But here I am, stuck in Nursling driving a 1996 honda civic

[Lighthouse]

All this stuff about "targets" and "aims"......ffs, its so meaningless unless you put it into some sort of context. If the club are genuinely "targetting" a CL spot next season, that implies theres a financial plan to achieve that. Which means a large transfer budget and possibly stadium expansion. If MP is just saying that he hopes we might nick a CL spot, (which is how I read it,) well, dont we all? I would hope to be the highest earning person in my trade this year. I wont be, but if I was targetting that, I would have to move to London, spend a fortune on high-quality stock and showroom space, take on the best and most expensive employees, fund it all with borrowed capital, then hope it worked. But here I am, stuck in Nursling driving a 1996 honda civic

 

I think our aim will be largely illustrated by our net transfer spending. If we go for a couple of ambitious targets, like we did with JRod, GRam, PCou and DAst then it would suggest we're aiming to compete with the likes over Liverpool, Everton and possibly Spuds. On the other hand if we ended up selling Morgan and Shaw and brought in some relatively cheaper options, along the lines of Davis, Forren and Mayuka, it would suggest we're happy just to stay midtable.

 

Personally I think it will be nearer the former option.

[Olallana]

Which is the least you could expect for a £250m outlay, yes?

 

Not if the net spend is 0, cause if so you are usually forced to sell the best players and that´s what has happened...

So for me that effort is better than making a profit of +£40m and not make it to CL....(I might remember wrong but cant remember Everton qualifying for CL any time)

 

So if you would compare I would say Wenger´s work has been better than Moyes.

BUT that doesn´t in any way mean that I think Moyes isn´t a great manager, cause I think he is. He has shown what a consistent way of playing and a fantastic work ethic can give you.

[Jimmy_D]

It seems pretty clear to me that CL next season was banter with the media from Tino. It's possible, but I don't think the club are by any means planning on it.

 

That said, I think we can imply from quotes from the players that CL IS being targeted and planned for in the next few seasons by the club. Part of the reason all the players we want to keep hold of have signed new contracts is that they're being sold a vision of Saints in the CL.

 

Cortese doesn't strike me as the sort of person to target something like that without being able to back it up.

 

As others have said, Summer spending will indicate how serious we are, but I don't imagine Tino will get any less to spend than Adkins was given.

[mulletsaint]

Strikers graveyard, Everton. If i was good striker it's bout the last place I'd want to go. Jelavic would get twice as many goals playing for us.

 

That just about takes the biscuit. FFS Bearsy, I expect better from you. That post contained absolutely zero sign of any sense of humour. This forum really is going to the dogs.