David Prutton 10-Match Ban

[SaintWill71]

Looking back at articles from when the ban was handed out, his apology was heartfelt, the club made it clear straight away that no appeal would be made as he was clearly guilty,

 

Couldn't be further from the way Liverpool are going about Suarez ban,

 

I cant really remember the general feeling from Saints fans when the 10 game ban was announced...

[SaintWill71]

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere

[Lord Duckhunter]

There was a precedent in that Di Cannio got 11 games for very similar offense.

 

A lot of Liverpool fans are rightly upset that Defoe did the same thing and only got a yellow card, with the FA refusing to over rule the Referee saying it was not an exceptional offense ( as per Ben Thatcher).

[Lord Duckhunter]

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[Saint Garrett]

I think the ban is about right for Suarez as it was Prutton. But there is the racism issues which the fines are just a complete farce, and there is no consistency in their decisions.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

10 games is mental, and completely disproportiante to the offence committed for Suarez.

[saint-crinny]

Cant view the Suarez incident in isolation - he has already had a 7 game ban in his career for the same offence, so it was always likely to be a longer ban this time round, the same as a minimum. Consider last year's racism charge as well, and he was always looking at a big ban.

[John Boy Saint]

I think most of us at the time thought that Prutton was going to cop it, having had a right go at the linesman and pushing the ref.

And it so needed not to happen, if the linesman had shown a pair and not allowed Referee Wiley to wave away his flagging for a blatant foul on Prutton by Cole, I think, the red mist would not had descended. A couple years later I was at an Evening where Alan Wiley was there and someone asked why he thought that Prutton had lost it, he said he had no idea, so I took great pleasure in telling him.

[ART]

I feel that part of the banning as a suspended sentence for repeat bad behavior would be a far more effective punishment. than a straight 10 match ban. Having the threat there may help psychologically to sort out Suarez's behavior than the suffering being out of the game for such a long period may effect him long term.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Cant view the Suarez incident in isolation - he has already had a 7 game ban in his career for the same offence, so it was always likely to be a longer ban this time round, the same as a minimum. Consider last year's racism charge as well, and he was always looking at a big ban.

 

Why the same as a minimum? Just cos the Dutch FA charged him with it and decided to hand that punishment down doesn't mean the FA have to take notice. It doesn't fit in with the way we hand down punishments. See Joey Barton/Ousmane Dabo incident where Barton was charged and found guilt of ASSAULT. He got 6 games.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I feel that part of the banning as a suspended sentence for repeat bad behavior would be a far more effective punishment. than a straight 10 match ban. Having the threat there may help psychologically to sort out Suarez's behavior than the suffering being out of the game for such a long period may effect him long term.

 

This is exactly the type of incident that this kind of ban should be imposed on. 5 game ban, 5 suspended imho.

[Saint Garrett]

Dunno, 10 games to me seems fair, do it again get 15 games. Do it again 20, etc.

[Mowgli]

10 games is mental, and completely disproportiante to the offence committed for Suarez.

 

Repeat offence of biting

Repeat offence unsportsman like conduct this season

Both offences could easily have been dealt with through the courts with probably more severe punishment.

He has responsibility as a role model for youngsters which warrants a hard line on its own

Just a nasty little **** really who the game would be better off without (all IMHO of course...)

[benjii]

He bit someone FFS.

 

What a disgusting act. Should've got 20 games at least.

[jjsaint]

It was bad news for us when Prutton got the ban, he was playing well and we looked like we might pull ourselves out of the bottom three.

 

I was severely disappointed with the decision to ban him for 9 games (I'm sure one match was for the red card he had already received), but of course felt that it was fair.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Repeat offence of biting

Repeat offence unsportsman like conduct this season

Both offences could easily have been dealt with through the courts with probably more severe punishment.

He has responsibility as a role model for youngsters which warrants a hard line on its own

Just a nasty little **** really who the game would be better off without (all IMHO of course...)

 

What do you think the courts would have handed down? He bit him, didn't draw blood. That is very minor. Joey Barton was charged with Assault and got a 6 game ban with 6 suspended, had previous as bad as Suarez.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

He bit someone FFS.

 

What a disgusting act. Should've got 20 games at least.

 

Yeah, I agree, it's akin to Cantona trying to take a fans head off.

 

Can you hear yourself?

[Jimmy_D]

Liverpool should Suarez out on loan to Guernsey with Le Tiss.

 

He'd be back playing having served his ban in a couple of weeks.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

What do you think the courts would have handed down? He bit him, didn't draw blood. That is very minor. Joey Barton was charged with Assault and got a 6 game ban with 6 suspended, had previous as bad as Suarez.

 

The Barton-Dabo was during training not a match, so not directly comparable.

[VectisSaint]

Yeah, I agree, it's akin to Cantona trying to take a fans head off.

 

Can you hear yourself?

You seem to be in a small minority who think biting a fellow pro is acceptable in some way. Most people seem to think 10 is about right based on his previous, it will probably be reduced to 8 on appeal. If he had been sent off he would have got 3 for the red card and then the FA would have added 7. Biting someone is so despicable, ranks along with spitting, something very akin to behaviour of children in the pre-school playground. It may not be physically as harmful as punching someone's lights out or even breaking their leg, but socially it is unacceptable and the role model issue comes into play. Already there have been reports of kids biting others in the playground as copy-cat behaviour. Also things have moved on, punishments are reviewed occassionally, so something that would have got 5 games years ago may now get 10 games.

 

The pity of it all is that Suarez needs some serious medical/mental health help, he is clearly unwell (unhinged) and no amount of punishments will help him overcome this problem.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You seem to be in a small minority who think biting a fellow pro is acceptable in some way. Most people seem to think 10 is about right based on his previous, it will probably be reduced to 8 on appeal. If he had been sent off he would have got 3 for the red card and then the FA would have added 7. Biting someone is so despicable, ranks along with spitting, something very akin to behaviour of children in the pre-school playground. It may not be physically as harmful as punching someone's lights out or even breaking their leg, but socially it is unacceptable and the role model issue comes into play. Already there have been reports of kids biting others in the playground as copy-cat behaviour. Also things have moved on, punishments are reviewed occassionally, so something that would have got 5 games years ago may now get 10 games.

 

The pity of it all is that Suarez needs some serious medical/mental health help, he is clearly unwell (unhinged) and no amount of punishments will help him overcome this problem.

 

I am not saying it's acceptable in anyway. What I am saying is that the punishment is disproportianate to the offence. For instance I would prefer to be bitten than have my nose or leg broken by a malicious challenge.

[Sheaf Saint]

Why the same as a minimum? Just cos the Dutch FA charged him with it and decided to hand that punishment down doesn't mean the FA have to take notice. It doesn't fit in with the way we hand down punishments. See Joey Barton/Ousmane Dabo incident where Barton was charged and found guilt of ASSAULT. He got 6 games.

 

So is sinking your teeth into somebody when the ball is out of play not classed as assault then?

[hutch]

I think Suarez has a big racism fine on the way for refusing to eat black players.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I am not saying it's acceptable in anyway. What I am saying is that the punishment is disproportianate to the offence. For instance I would prefer to be bitten than have my nose or leg broken by a malicious challenge.

 

Well anyone would but a defendent can easily argue they didn't mean to injure someone in a bad tackle - mis-timed, deceived by a bit of skill etc. With a bite their is no defence, you're bang to rights.

[Barry Sanchez]

Yeah, I agree, it's akin to Cantona trying to take a fans head off.

 

Can you hear yourself?

 

Its worse, far worse, Cantona by all acounts was standing up to racist abuse and confronted it head on, he got 8 months, Suarez has bitten, dived and allegedly racially abuse in the last year or so and has has been given a 10 match ban, and the little snide tried to feign a leg injury afterwards, the League would be better off without the rat.

 

Can you hear yourself?

[Barry Sanchez]

I am not saying it's acceptable in anyway. What I am saying is that the punishment is disproportianate to the offence. For instance I would prefer to be bitten than have my nose or leg broken by a malicious challenge.

 

You obviously have never been bitten have you or seen the remains of a lip, ear or piece of flesh after a fight thats been torn off by teeth in a fight.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You obviously have never been bitten have you or seen the remains of a lip, ear or piece of flesh after a fight thats been torn off by teeth in a fight.

 

But he didn't even break the skin? Blimey, you lot are mental. I'll take some bite marks in my arm for a day or two rather than being unable to walk for 6 months and potentially having my career ended.

 

You lot are seriously mental. Deluded even if you say that biting is worse than that as an offence.

Edited 25 April, 2013 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Its worse, far worse, Cantona by all acounts was standing up to racist abuse and confronted it head on, he got 8 months, Suarez has bitten, dived and allegedly racially abuse in the last year or so and has has been given a 10 match ban, and the little snide tried to feign a leg injury afterwards, the League would be better off without the rat.

 

Can you hear yourself?

 

What racist abuse was that between a white caucasian male and another white caucasian male?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Its worse, far worse, Cantona by all acounts was standing up to racist abuse and confronted it head on, he got 8 months, Suarez has bitten, dived and allegedly racially abuse in the last year or so and has has been given a 10 match ban, and the little snide tried to feign a leg injury afterwards, the League would be better off without the rat.

 

Can you hear yourself?

 

What racist abuse was that between a white caucasian male and another white caucasian male?

[Dig Dig]

I am not saying it's acceptable in anyway. What I am saying is that the punishment is disproportianate to the offence. For instance I would prefer to be bitten than have my nose or leg broken by a malicious challenge.

 

 

I agree mate, Ivanovic was not hurt and it looked like something which you would find in a primary school playground.

 

People making out that it's one of the most disgusting thing they have seen on a football pitch are just bandwagon jumping. Even Souness said it was a disgrace after the game but him breaking that lads jaw in a European cup tie in the 80's was far worse.

 

Ultimately it was a weird and stupid thing for Suarez to do but 10 games? The standard 3 match ban for violent conduct would have been appropriate IMO.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I agree mate, Ivanovic was not hurt and it looked like something which you would find in a primary school playground.

 

People making out that it's one of the most disgusting thing they have seen on a football pitch are just bandwagon jumping. Even Souness said it was a disgrace after the game but him breaking that lads jaw in a European cup tie in the 80's was far worse.

 

Ultimately it was a weird and stupid thing for Suarez to do but 10 games? The standard 3 match ban for violent conduct would have been appropriate IMO.

 

That's the best word I've heard to describe it - 'weird'.

[UpweySaint]

Yeah, I agree, it's akin to Cantona trying to take a fans head off.

 

Can you hear yourself?

 

Cantona kicked somebody hurling racist abuse. Not ok behaviour but Suarez attacked Ivanovich without genuine provocation.

 

Suarez is a repeat offender (Biting, diving, racism, handballing, punching) and tried to bite somebody AGAIN, all this "oh he didn't draw blood" ... I dont think it was through a lack of trying!

 

Once again he, and Liverpool, are showing no class. Accept that he's done wrong and stop trying to blame everyone else.

[UpweySaint]

What racist abuse was that between a white caucasian male and another white caucasian male?

 

You'r confusing racism. It can be due to more then simply skin colour. As somebody who's family had escaped fascism under Franco he may well have every right to be sensitive about such discrimination.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Cantona kicked somebody hurling racist abuse. Not ok behaviour but Suarez attacked Ivanovich without genuine provocation.

 

Suarez is a repeat offender (Biting, diving, racism, handballing, punching) and tried to bite somebody AGAIN, all this "oh he didn't draw blood" ... I dont think it was through a lack of trying!

 

Once again he, and Liverpool, are showing no class. Accept that he's done wrong and stop trying to blame everyone else.

 

I'll ask you the same question, what racism occured between a white caucasion male and another white causcasian male.

 

Suarez was responding to an altercation in the tunnel at half time if you want to use causation as an excuse for Cantona.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You'r confusing racism. It can be due to more then simply skin colour. As somebody who's family had escaped fascism under Franco he may well have every right to be sensitive about such discrimination.

 

Ok, so what are their races then?

[Saint Garrett]

"Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation"

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

"Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation"

 

Ok, so what was said to Cantona?

[UpweySaint]

I'll ask you the same question, what racism occured between a white caucasion male and another white causcasian male.

 

Suarez was responding to an altercation in the tunnel at half time if you want to use causation as an excuse for Cantona.

 

I dont know, thats what he alleges and has been alleged by others, but im sure you know it cant be 100% proven.

 

What Cantona did was not ok, he got an eight month ban! Ten games is light.

 

What would your punishment be for an assault from a man with a history of assaults and racially abusing people? Perhaps you think it's severe but plainly previous punishments have served as no detterent.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I dont know, thats what he alleges and has been alleged by others, but im sure you know it cant be 100% proven.

 

What Cantona did was not ok, he got an eight month ban! Ten games is light.

 

What would your punishment be for an assault from a man with a history of assaults and racially abusing people? Perhaps you think it's severe but plainly previous punishments have served as no detterent.

 

Why does racism have anything to do with an act of violence though? Why did Joey Barton only get a 6 match ban with more previous in the way of violence and a much worse offence? For me it would be a 5 match ban and 5 matches suspended based on violence for 2 years. It's worse than red card, but not as bad as what Barton did. Using precedent even says it is disproportianate.

[Saint Garrett]

Thought Barton got 12 game ban?

 

Correct...http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/23/joey-barton-12-game-ban-fa

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Thought Barton got 12 game ban?

 

Correct...http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/23/joey-barton-12-game-ban-fa

 

Nope, 6 with 6 suspended. And obviously charged with assault by the police.

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/joey-barton-handed-six-game-989700

Edited 25 April, 2013 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Scummer]

Nope, 6 with 6 suspended. And obviously charged with assault by the police.

 

Different incident. Saint Garrett is talking about the ban he got at the end of last season, which was for 12 games. You're talking about the Ousmane Dabo incident.

[Dellman]

Will someone please explain something to me...does the 10 match suspension mean the player loses his pay, or is he still fully paid for having a very long holiday? In which case the club is punished not the player. Excuse ignorance.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Thought Barton got 12 game ban?

 

Correct...http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/23/joey-barton-12-game-ban-fa

 

Yeah, that's not the offence I was talking about. That was due to committing 3 red card offences, and also receiving an additional ban for receiving that many red cards in a season. In fact, that fits in nicely with my point. Going by that Suarez committed 3 red card offences and then given an additional 1 match ban. But he didn't, he committed one red card offence.

Edited 25 April, 2013 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Will someone please explain something to me...does the 10 match suspension mean the player loses his pay, or is he still fully paid for having a very long holiday? In which case the club is punished not the player. Excuse ignorance.

 

he is still paid by the club. However he will have been fined internally (I think a maximum of 2 weeks is allowed).

[Saint Garrett]

Listening to the radio I heard he will earn something like £3m before he plays again, disgraceful really.

[UpweySaint]

Why does racism have anything to do with an act of violence though? Why did Joey Barton only get a 6 match ban with more previous in the way of violence and a much worse offence? For me it would be a 5 match ban and 5 matches suspended based on violence for 2 years. It's worse than red card, but not as bad as what Barton did. Using precedent even says it is disproportianate.

 

Didnt actually answer the queston though did you?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Didnt actually answer the queston though did you?

 

Erm, yes I did:

 

'For me it would be a 5 match ban and 5 matches suspended based on violence for 2 years.'

[Barry Sanchez]

But he didn't even break the skin? Blimey, you lot are mental. I'll take some bite marks in my arm for a day or two rather than being unable to walk for 6 months and potentially having my career ended.

 

You lot are seriously mental. Deluded even if you say that biting is worse than that as an offence.

 

Yes I am saying exactly that, football is a contact sport and broken legs happen in mistimed and malicious challenges, poor tackles come sadly with the game, being bitten by a petulant child does not, it sets an awful example to people watching and its been done before and that punishment obviously did not work so a stronger sentence is required.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Listening to the radio I heard he will earn something like £3m before he plays again, disgraceful really.

 

Yeah but that includes the Summer and is not taking into account tax and NI. He'll earn something like £500k after tax over a 12 week span (with 2 week breaks every 5th game).