dubai_phil Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/saints-second-chance-programme-790009.aspx So we will trawl the Country for youngsters kicked out of Academies and give them a second chance in their late teens to catch late developers. Interesting. Someone must have reviewed how kids of that age are handled by their clubs. Wonder where that idea originally came from? Joking aside looks a great idea and a good programme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 It is a good idea, and there are 'late developers'...but on the whole, if kids haven't made it by 20, they'll probably not be good enough to play in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Should get Glenn Hoddle to come in and help run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 An excellent idea - people initially make it for all kinds of reasons which have nothing to do with football. It's not as if by 16-19 the dye is cast. Rickie is a perfect example of someone who got a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 It is a good idea, and there are 'late developers'...but on the whole, if kids haven't made it by 20, they'll probably not be good enough to play in the Premiership. Genuinely the case, 1-2 may be lucky. Really are trying to find a needle in a haystack with this one. Would be a better idea for a lower league club maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 In Germany, players are considered young up until 23. Years back in England, you rarely got a chance in the first team till you were 20-21. It's only in the last 10 years that we've felt a need to rush players through. Hopefully this will work out well for us...but I can't honestly remember a player who was let go from an academy at 16-17, who then went on to be a star in the Prem. Having said that Lallana didn't really start to show his true potential till he was 19-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Still a chance for tommy forecast then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 In Germany, players are considered young up until 23. Years back in England, you rarely got a chance in the first team till you were 20-21. It's only in the last 10 years that we've felt a need to rush players through. Hopefully this will work out well for us...but I can't honestly remember a player who was let go from an academy at 16-17, who then went on to be a star in the Prem. Having said that Lallana didn't really start to show his true potential till he was 19-20. Of course, you might never know: promising players may have been let go by academies, never to return to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 (edited) Didn't Lambert pretty much drop out of football at one point? DJ Campbell? Ian Wright? Having said that, I'd imagine academies are sharper than ever these days, can't see too many future stars coming from this. I actually think this is as much to do with creating a Southampton brand of doing things a bit differently, than actually be a realistic source of future Prem players. Edited 24 April, 2013 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Of course, you might never know: promising players may have been let go by academies, never to return to football. True. And I guess even if these players are only league 1/NPC quality, we'll be able to sell them for anything up to a million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 24 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Didn't Lambert pretty much drop out of football at one point? DJ Campbell? Ian Wright? Having said that, I'd imagine academies are sharper than ever these days, can't see too many future stars coming from this. I actually think this is as much to do with creating a Southampton brand of doing things a bit differently, than actually be a realistic source of future Prem players. I assume that you have written off the chances of Isaac Nehemie then. He'll be most upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 (edited) A couple of years ago I found an interesting article discussing 'relative age effect' i.e. kids born in September to December often have an advantage over those that came into the world closer to the end of the academic year. Given that they're nearly a year older they're often bigger, more physically able and shade out the more technically skillful types. Ah, here it is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/19/fa-plans-age-group-football Supposedly the FA were looking to initiate a shake-up and Spurs seem to have their share of Summer babies, but I'd be willing to bet many academies still fall prey to simple fallacies. There's plenty of reasons why players could be worth taking another look at. So long as this initiative doesn't cost the earth and we don't end up with too many 'Nile Ranger' types at the club, I can't see how it's anything other than a positive step. 16 is no age to throw a player onto the scrapheap. Edited 24 April, 2013 by ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 I assume that you have written off the chances of Isaac Nehemie then. He'll be most upset He'll live. On a conspiracy theory basis, could this be a chance for our academy team to experiment with new training methods/approaches on this lot, rather than our first choice academy lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 We have one playing in the 18s i see from the article .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 24 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2013 He'll live. On a conspiracy theory basis, could this be a chance for our academy team to experiment with new training methods/approaches on this lot, rather than our first choice academy lot. Yup they could bring in a Vision Coach, a Kicking Coach. I'm still sure I've read much of that stuff before somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 There are loads of players dropped that have made it. Ian Wright is the classic example; we dropped Dennis Wise, Graham Roberts and Kevin Phillips who all went on to do quiet well. We benefited from Pompey failing to sign up Bobby Stokes grhs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 i think most of u are missing the point, this is to give kids who have had their future ripped up a chance at experience & qualifications to keep them in the game, as a player or otherwise. it's also investing in a local college that do vocational courses. so much more than just trying to make sure no1 slips under the radar, or making a quick sell on to a l2 club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 i think most of u are missing the point, this is to give kids who have had their future ripped up a chance at experience & qualifications to keep them in the game, as a player or otherwise. it's also investing in a local college that do vocational courses. so much more than just trying to make sure no1 slips under the radar, or making a quick sell on to a l2 club. Very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey88 Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 When I was at Blackburn as a youngster we were constantly told not to give up if we were released as Alan Shearer himself was released by Newcastle before joining Saints. Fact of the matter however, is that many children do simply give up if released as they feel that was their one chance to succeed. Anything that gives kids a second chance in the game has to be applauded as many academies are ruthless in the way they deal with their players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Still a chance for tommy forecast then? Only of I can bless this water into wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Will all be worth it if it brings us one first teamer. Looks good on the club too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 i think most of u are missing the point, this is to give kids who have had their future ripped up a chance at experience & qualifications to keep them in the game, as a player or otherwise. it's also investing in a local college that do vocational courses. so much more than just trying to make sure no1 slips under the radar, or making a quick sell on to a l2 club. Well said. If I was a youngster setting out then this would give the Saints Academy the edge for me over other clubs. Knowing that I will get support even if I don't make the elite squad of youngster being fast tracked to the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Saints very nearly dropped the mother of all clangers by letting Bale go before he broke through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 24 April, 2013 Share Posted 24 April, 2013 Neil Benson from Sparsholt had a spell coaching at the Saints academy a few years ago. Ran Salisbury Youth after that. Sparsholt have also had links with Arsenal and Chelsea in the recent past. Neil also has a 23 year old son released by Saints in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Takling of academy's has anyone seen that Crewe will be putting out a team made entirely of academy players at the weekend , Thats good stuff ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Takling of academy's has anyone seen that Crewe will be putting out a team made entirely of academy players at the weekend , Thats good stuff ! They've always had a good academy over the years and have produced some half decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 I see that knob Neil Benson is involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 All Prem Clubs are doing this....It's the Academy Lite version. West Ham have just started this and QPR and Reading field an Academy Lite side.......which got smashed by Richmond College 7-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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