Block 18 Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Happy Saint Georges day, anyone doing anything special or is it just another day with a label? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Im going to walk around in facepaint allday and Im contemplating hijacking a bulldog Other than that nothing special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I didn't even know it was st George's day until all the borderline national front stuff was posted by the dinlos on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Didn't St. George apparently slay a dragon? No wonder nobody gives a monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Didn't St. George apparently slay a dragon? No wonder nobody gives a monkey. Wasn't he Lebanese? Also Shakespeare's birthday and anniversary of his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I'm proud to be British, but i'm proud every day , not just when I'm told to be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Happy "arbitrary time of the year to celebrate the random act of being born on a certain part of the planet" Day Only insecure nations feel the need to celebrate such things on a decreed day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindsorSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Any excuse for a few beers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Happy "arbitrary time of the year to celebrate the random act of being born on a certain part of the planet" Day Only insecure nations feel the need to celebrate such things on a decreed day... Any excuse for a few beers! Little from column a, little from column b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Yay! I'm going to fly a big flag outside my window showing my undying support for some Turkish bloke who never set foot on English soil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I didn't even know it was st George's day until all the borderline national front stuff was posted by the dinlos on Facebook. I agree. It's like when people spout all their pro IRA boll ocks by celebrating St Patricks day and running around wearing green hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/0/22166363 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I'm proud to be British I'm neither proud nor ashamed. Its not as if I had any say in where I was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I'm neither proud nor ashamed. Its not as if I had any say in where I was born. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Also Shakespeare's birthday and anniversary of his death. Not strictly true, his birth date is not recorded, we do know that he was christened on 26th April & that back then, christenings took place quite soon after birth, so the 23rd is a reasonable guess & of course it makes a nice synergy with his death, but no one actually knows for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I'm neither proud nor ashamed. Its not as if I had any say in where I was born. Where you were born has nothing to do with your nationality, that is determined by your parentage.... For instance, my sister was born in Malta, she's not Maltese though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Where you were born has nothing to do with your nationality, that is determined by your parentage.... For instance, my sister was born in Malta, she's not Maltese though... Totally agree Bob it is nearly a state of mind My youngest was born in Sharjah UAE and he is British and not Emerati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 (edited) Yep. It's times like today I think what an amazing bastion for Human Rights the British Empire was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770 Makes you proud to be British, eh? Edited 23 April, 2013 by Saint Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Yep. It's times like today I think what an amazing bastion for Human Rights the British Empire was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770 Makes you proud to be British, eh? WTF has St George got to do with being British, St George is the Patron saint of England, not that that mitigates our past.... Thing is we learn from our past and try to stop present day people repeating the same mistakes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Yep. It's times like today I think what an amazing bastion for Human Rights the British Empire was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770 Makes you proud to be British, eh? It was not one of our finest moments, but I would imagine there are very few nations on earth that haven't done something horrific in their past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Yep. It's times like today I think what an amazing bastion for Human Rights the British Empire was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770 Makes you proud to be British, eh? What has that got to do with St George's Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 (edited) Happy "arbitrary time of the year to celebrate the random act of being born on a certain part of the planet" Day Only insecure nations feel the need to celebrate such things on a decreed day... What Nation does not celebrate their Nation? Only England, a defeated Nation of guilt and the only place on Earth where pride in ones self and Country is seen as a fault. The ironic thing is some sandal wearers and hippies end up moving to Australia where its easily the most Nationlist place I have ever been to and they then call it confidence once there. Edited 23 April, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Yep. It's times like today I think what an amazing bastion for Human Rights the British Empire was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770 Makes you proud to be British, eh? I think you need to get over the fact we had an Empire like many European Nations did, thank Christ they came under our harsh rule as opposed to the Belgiums or Portugese, the Indians have had a caste rule for 1000's of years, your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Yay! I'm going to fly a big flag outside my window showing my undying support for some Turkish bloke who never set foot on English soil! A bit like St Patricks day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 What has that got to do with St George's Day? I am saying that all those people getting all misty-eyed thinking about what a great nation England is, maybe ought to think about some downright disgusting things we've been a part of. Not that any of this stuff gets publicised (not really hard to see why). I could go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I am saying that all those people getting all misty-eyed thinking about what a great nation England is, maybe ought to think about some downright disgusting things we've been a part of. Not that any of this stuff gets publicised (not really hard to see why). I could go on... Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I am saying that all those people getting all misty-eyed thinking about what a great nation England is, maybe ought to think about some downright disgusting things we've been a part of. Not that any of this stuff gets publicised (not really hard to see why). I could go on... I refuse to hold a guilt complex over something that happened centuries before I was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 it was on last week bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 (edited) I am saying that all those people getting all misty-eyed thinking about what a great nation England is, maybe ought to think about some downright disgusting things we've been a part of. Not that any of this stuff gets publicised (not really hard to see why). I could go on... Like most Nations, the relevance of someones actions 100's of years ago by someone should not reflect on a National day of that Nation, the fascist left somehow make a link though, they spread guilt like soft butter, the enemy within who are laughed at by not only the sensible people but alos immigrants alike. They will never be happy, never at all. Edited 23 April, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I am saying that all those people getting all misty-eyed thinking about what a great nation England is, maybe ought to think about some downright disgusting things we've been a part of. Not that any of this stuff gets publicised (not really hard to see why). I could go on... Do the good things we've been involved with not fill you with pride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I agree. It's like when people spout all their pro IRA boll ocks by celebrating St Patricks day and running around wearing green hats. Exactly! I guess you have seen the stuff my dinlo 'friends' have put on facebook as no doubt we have the same dinlo facebook friends Turks (a mixture of Southampton scumbags in their mid 30s and girls who used to be fit but now just post pics of their kids). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I am saying that all those people getting all misty-eyed thinking about what a great nation England is, maybe ought to think about some downright disgusting things we've been a part of. Not that any of this stuff gets publicised (not really hard to see why). I could go on... So you don't think it is a great nation? And you think that any country that has such things in their history shouldn't be proud of their country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I never remember which day it is. Conversely, I look forward to the Norwegian national day. It's an enormous inclusive celebration, like an enormous national party. Immigrants are welcome and encouraged to take part and pretty much the entire population is out on the street. The main focus is a street carnival parade, which is mainly about the children. Everyone dresses up either in national costume (for whichever country they're from, plenty of kilts or saris on display) or in a suit or dress. I would never have realised a national celebration could be so positive if I hadn't come here. It's nothing to do with saints' days though. I'm still English and British, but I'll happily celebrate the country I live in. My kids look forward to 17th May nearly as much as Christmas. It would be a major achievement if Britain/England could manage a national day, based around inclusivity, celebrating living in the country, making it mainly about the children and not start going on about empire and former glories. I think the Olympics helped people see how good that sort of thing can really make people feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I refuse to hold a guilt complex over something that happened centuries before I was born. This is exactly the point though. If you refuse to feel guilt for the bad things that 'England' has done, then why should you feel pride for the good things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I never remember which day it is. Conversely, I look forward to the Norwegian national day. It's an enormous inclusive celebration, like an enormous national party. Immigrants are welcome and encouraged to take part and pretty much the entire population is out on the street. The main focus is a street carnival parade, which is mainly about the children. Everyone dresses up either in national costume (for whichever country they're from, plenty of kilts or saris on display) or in a suit or dress. I would never have realised a national celebration could be so positive if I hadn't come here. It's nothing to do with saints' days though. I'm still English and British, but I'll happily celebrate the country I live in. My kids look forward to 17th May nearly as much as Christmas. It would be a major achievement if Britain/England could manage a national day, based around inclusivity, celebrating living in the country, making it mainly about the children and not start going on about empire and former glories. I think the Olympics helped people see how good that sort of thing can really make people feel. Norway is the Country of inclusivity? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 This is exactly the point though. If you refuse to feel guilt for the bad things that 'England' has done, then why should you feel pride for the good things? You can feel proud to be English of course you can, cant the Americans? Armenians? Brazilians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Is that what I wrote? Just trying to find where it says that. Sorry, what i meant to write was that their national day celebration is very inclusive. Still can't find the bit you're talking about. Can you point it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I'll be enjoying some cold IPA watching my nipper play cricket on a wonderfully picturesque ground. Perfect English way of celebrating St Georges Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 You can feel proud to be English of course you can, cant the Americans? Armenians? Brazilians? So it's OK to feel pride in the achievements of your nation while completely washing your hands of any embarrassment for the bad things is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 This is exactly the point though. If you refuse to feel guilt for the bad things that 'England' has done, then why should you feel pride for the good things? Living in the past doesn't solve anything, learning from past mistakes might. I wasn't born when slavery was a massive money spinner for British trade, so why should I feel guilty about it ? Should I ask for the Italians to apologise for the atrocities carried out by the Romans after the invasion in 57 AD ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So it's OK to feel pride in the achievements of your nation while completely washing your hands of any embarrassment for the bad things is it? Far too many, mainly on the left where I actually reside, insist that we should all wail & gnash our teeth about what we did to the world. We know that our nation did brutal things but the vast, vast majority were before my father was an itch in my grandads sack & we are no more guilty for the acts of our ancestors than the Germans or Japanese are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So it's OK to feel pride in the achievements of your nation while completely washing your hands of any embarrassment for the bad things is it? Who is washing their hands of anything? You have not answered the question, I take it under you regime no Country would have any sense of National pride due to guilt from previous generations, you must be a hit at the parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 It's does amuse me how people like Bexy appear to hate our country and everyone associated with it, constantly coming on here and slagging it off for all the things it has done in the past and criticising those who proud to be English. Yet at the same time is happy to live here in a civilised country and enjoy the freedoms and rights that allow him/her to vent their fury at how disgraceful the nation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Living in the past doesn't solve anything, learning from past mistakes might. I wasn't born when slavery was a massive money spinner for British trade, so why should I feel guilty about it ? Should I ask for the Italians to apologise for the atrocities carried out by the Romans after the invasion in 57 AD ? No, of course not. And this is precisely my point... Feeling guilty about the negative actions of people who happened to be born within the same arbitrarily-defined borders as you in the distant past is irrational and patently absurd, I think everybody would agree. Yet for some reason many people think it is perfectly OK to feel pride about the positive stuff, when in in fact it is just as irrational and absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 No, of course not. And this is precisely my point... Feeling guilty about the negative actions of people who happened to be born within the same arbitrarily-defined borders as you in the distant past is irrational and patently absurd, I think everybody would agree. Yet for some reason many people think it is perfectly OK to feel pride about the positive stuff, when in in fact it is just as irrational and absurd. So you're not proud we beat the Nazis then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 As a lefty myself I hate these "leftist hippy wets" who reside in my party and political sphere, they hate everything, they dislike their Country, they dislike people who like their Country, they also take offence at people who like their Country and yet have no issue with others from another Nation celebrating their origins (I dont either), hypocrites and the real enemy within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 No, of course not. And this is precisely my point... Feeling guilty about the negative actions of people who happened to be born within the same arbitrarily-defined borders as you in the distant past is irrational and patently absurd, I think everybody would agree. Yet for some reason many people think it is perfectly OK to feel pride about the positive stuff, when in in fact it is just as irrational and absurd. So you just dont feel? You sadly are probably in the majority in this Country but by far the minority from around the World, love your Country and be proud of it. As the Yanks say LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I'll be enjoying some cold IPA watching my nipper play cricket on a wonderfully picturesque ground. Perfect English way of celebrating St Georges Day. Modern day IPA should be cellar temperature not cold but otherwise good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 No, of course not. And this is precisely my point... Feeling guilty about the negative actions of people who happened to be born within the same arbitrarily-defined borders as you in the distant past is irrational and patently absurd, I think everybody would agree. Yet for some reason many people think it is perfectly OK to feel pride about the positive stuff, when in in fact it is just as irrational and absurd. So what do you do when England play an international sports event ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So it's OK to feel pride in the achievements of your nation while completely washing your hands of any embarrassment for the bad things is it? Just why should you feel ashamed of what your nation has done previously it was not you personally carried out these alleged heinous crimes was it? If you are proud of what it is doing now while you are a member of that nation that is what counts and that is what you should impart to your kids History is there some good some bad what we do now is what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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