John Boy Saint Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Funny that Gaston Ramirez has not been mentioned anywhere, but then silly me he cost a small fortune err 'the club won't sell him" ! For those who have been paying attention most will realise that there is little room for sentiment where Cortese is concerned in his quest to do the job. To be brutally honest we have certainly not seen what most would associate with a player of that cost, 9 months in and he is being kept out of the starting 11 by an Academy player, one who was a steal at £750k, and what is becoming £7.5m well spent. Yes he has scored some goals but in reality he has disappointed overall. If we were to off load him after one season that would make some folks sit up and pay attention. Only a controversial thought so the sandbags have been filled and the tin hat pulled on!!
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 (edited) no real surprises here really - are there?. A number of them are OOC anyway; Seaborne, Butterfield .....and Forecast amongst others.. Others fell between the cracks because they didn't get a real chance (for various reasons);Sharp, Martin, Lee .....but unless someone comes with an open cheque book I don't expect Mayuka to go so soon. the rest ; didAJFU in the past when (occasionally) needed, but at this level, they won't be missed. Thanks and goodbye....... However, there is the prospect of 15 new names on the squad list to replace them....although it won't be that many new signings, as we can expect some Academy lads to move up.... Edited 22 April, 2013 by david in sweden
Turkish Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 (edited) The thing people seem to be forgetting about Mayuka is that he isn't some unproven kid just finding his feet in football. He'll be 23 this year, has played 43 times for Zambia and made over 100 appearances at club level. He has shown glimpses of ability in his early games here but for whatever reason this experienced international player couldn't even get into our matchday squad for 4 months, even when we had injuries to strikers, this under 2 different managers so its not like its a case of him being out of favour because the manager doesn't like him. It's clear something isn't right and if he stays or goes it won't be down to his age, transfer fee or playing well as a sub 6 months ago. He really should have done more in his time here. I'm not writing him off as haven't seen enough of him to make an opinion but let's not kid ourselves he was signed as one for the future, he was signed to make an immediate impact as you'd expect a player with nearly 50 international caps to do. Edited 22 April, 2013 by Turkish
Mowgli Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Funny that Gaston Ramirez has not been mentioned anywhere, but then silly me he cost a small fortune err 'the club won't sell him" ! For those who have been paying attention most will realise that there is little room for sentiment where Cortese is concerned in his quest to do the job. To be brutally honest we have certainly not seen what most would associate with a player of that cost, 9 months in and he is being kept out of the starting 11 by an Academy player, one who was a steal at £750k, and what is becoming £7.5m well spent. Yes he has scored some goals but in reality he has disappointed overall. If we were to off load him after one season that would make some folks sit up and pay attention. Only a controversial thought so the sandbags have been filled and the tin hat pulled on!! Its a view but I personally think he is one of our best players and if anything has over performed for his first season in the Premier League. All the TV pundits rave about him too. could they all be wrong? ' Callum Chambers will probably be moved up to the first team squad and be backup on RB to Clyne and we also have Cork that can cover that spot too so I think Richardsson will leave. Callum was promoted to the 1st team last summer. I don't think there will be tooo many surprises. There are 12 obvious ones - the 12 on loan. Hammond, Sharp, Dickson, Forte, Lee, Forecast, Martin, Barnard, Reeves, Hoskins, Butterfield and Seabourne (though I think it is a bit harsh on Reeves and Hoskins if that is the case. Not entirely sure but I think Richardson's contract is up this year too. I also think Chaplow will ask for a move as he wants to play regular football. Peopel have talked about Guly and De Ridder but they have a year left on their contracts so unless they ask for a transfer, they will remain. I don't see Cortese as one who will release players before the end of their contracts. Its part of the same philosophy that keeps the likes of Shaw, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Clyne, etc at the club.
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 (edited) Its a view but I personally think he is one of our best players and if anything has over performed for his first season in the Premier League. All the TV pundits rave about him too. could they all be wrong? Which tv pundits have been raving about Ramirez? I'd like to keep him, but I don't believe many thought our record signing that got everyone excited last summer would be warming the bench at this point of the season. Edited 22 April, 2013 by Sour Mash
Joensuu Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 (edited) The thing people seem to be forgetting about Mayuka is that he isn't some unproven kid just finding his feet in football. He'll be 23 this year, has played 43 times for Zambia and made over 100 appearances at club level. He has shown glimpses of ability in his early games here but for whatever reason this experienced international player couldn't even get into our matchday squad for 4 months, even when we had injuries to strikers, this under 2 different managers so its not like its a case of him being out of favour because the manager doesn't like him. It's clear something isn't right and if he stays or goes it won't be down to his age, transfer fee or playing well as a sub 6 months ago. He really should have done more in his time here. I'm not writing him off as haven't seen enough of him to make an opinion but let's not kid ourselves he was signed as one for the future, he was signed to make an immediate impact as you'd expect a player with nearly 50 international caps to do. A fair post, and I'm sure the club were hoping for more. There might be something wrong in how he is settling, or possibly something missing from his commitment in training? However, I disagree that the club purchased Mayuka without having an eye on the future (although I'm sure they were hoping for more from him by now). In the grand scheme of things, £3.5m isn't much to pay for a young, capped striker, full of potential; IMO Mayuka was almost certainly a gamble which could still pay off. Sure he hasn't broken through to the first team in quite the way people were hoping he might, but it's fairly obvious that he possesses some of the raw ability that could see him make it. I feel Mayuka is a bit like a young right wing player we had on our books c. 10 years ago. He was around 21 years old when he joined us, has international caps, bags of pace, but wasn't in contention for the first team. We sent him out on loan to build up experience; but then we had a much larger squad at the time - so he wasn't as likely to get a place on the bench. The only major difference was the young player we signed 11 years ago was purchased for a nomial fee. Question is, should we have cut our losses, and released Kenwyne Jones at the end of his first season? Yes Mayuka isn't the youngest, but he could make it, just as Kenwyne did. If the club think that it is best to part company with Mayuka then fair enough; but I feel from the glimpses that we've seen already that given time he has the potential to do really well. Cut him some slack. [Oh, and repeat all the above replacing Mayuka with Ramirez] Edited 22 April, 2013 by Joensuu
Saint Garrett Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Personally think we should keep hold of Mayuka and Ramirez. Ramirez has been class at times. and been a passenger in other games. If he can get more consistent he could become a top player. Plus we're probably not going to make any profit out of him, and won't drop in value that much. Mayuka is an odd one. Personally I'm surprised he hasn't featured on the bench more and come on occasionally. Pace can cause problems, even if it is just against tiring defenders. Maybe we'll see a bit more of him over the next few weeks. Let's hope it works out for him. The rest....as much as a great job some did for us, we wouldn't miss them now.
UpweySaint Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Which tv pundits have been raving about Ramirez? I'd like to keep him, but I don't believe many thought our record signing that got everyone excited last summer would be warming the bench at this point of the season. I cant name names but I have heard plenty of pundits being very positive about him. Nope I think you'r right we would have hoped for more but it's still early days yet for him AND mayuka. See how both are looking come this time next year then might be time to make full asessments.
Miltonroader07 Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Alex Crook was tweeting about this the other day. Here is his list @alex_crook: Sharp, Lee, Mayuka, Hammond, Chaplow, Barnard, Butterfield, Forte, Martin, Seabourne, de Ridder, Richardson, Dickson Not sure about Fonte but why is Guly not first in the list FFS
Matthew Le God Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Not sure about Fonte Fonte isn't in on the list.
Joensuu Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Not sure about Fonte but why is Guly not first in the list FFS It says Forte not Fonte. Guly is not in the list because he is a reasonable back up player whose contract runs until the end of next season. We won't want to pay him off this summer; nor would we find many others who would be willing to pay for his services. As such, there is no sensible reason for us to want to get rid of Guly this summer - although I imagine he will play a lesser role next season.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Fonte isn't in on the list. He would be on my list to be fair.
Turkish Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 A fair post, and I'm sure the club were hoping for more. There might be something wrong in how he is settling, or possibly something missing from his commitment in training? However, I disagree that the club purchased Mayuka without having an eye on the future (although I'm sure they were hoping for more from him by now). In the grand scheme of things, £3.5m isn't much to pay for a young, capped striker, full of potential; IMO Mayuka was almost certainly a gamble which could still pay off. Sure he hasn't broken through to the first team in quite the way people were hoping he might, but it's fairly obvious that he possesses some of the raw ability that could see him make it. I feel Mayuka is a bit like a young right wing player we had on our books c. 10 years ago. He was around 21 years old when he joined us, has international caps, bags of pace, but wasn't in contention for the first team. We sent him out on loan to build up experience; but then we had a much larger squad at the time - so he wasn't as likely to get a place on the bench. The only major difference was the young player we signed 11 years ago was purchased for a nomial fee. Question is, should we have cut our losses, and released Kenwyne Jones at the end of his first season? Yes Mayuka isn't the youngest, but he could make it, just as Kenwyne did. If the club think that it is best to part company with Mayuka then fair enough; but I feel from the glimpses that we've seen already that given time he has the potential to do really well. Cut him some slack. [Oh, and repeat all the above replacing Mayuka with Ramirez] Kenwyne Jones was 18 when he joined us, he'd also only played in his home country and even now only has 9 more international caps than Mayuka so not quite the same. This is going to be one we need to back the manager on as fans haven't seen enough to decide if he's good enough or not, if MP decides he is best got rid of and someone else is better than that's fine by me, equally if he decides to see if he improves or not,because let's be honest, 3 have decent sub appearances in a season really isn't enough to justify the transfer fee and wages he must be on.
melmacian_saint Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 He would be on my list to be fair. I see you've know converted into the Hooiveld delusioners...
ART Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Sure Saint_Charlie must have joined the Mirror Sports Desk. Reads like one of his "invent your own breaking news" story posts. Otherwise some journo mischief making amongst the squad in the run in.
Dig Dig Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Sure Saint_Charlie must have joined the Mirror Sports Desk. Reads like one of his "invent your own breaking news" story posts. Otherwise some journo mischief making amongst the squad in the run in. This make absolutely no sense at all but that is your MO I guess.
Joensuu Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Kenwyne Jones was 18 when he joined us, he'd also only played in his home country and even now only has 9 more international caps than Mayuka so not quite the same. I was wrong with my 'around 21' guess. He was 19 (and 2-3 months shy of 20) when he joined us. I'm not sure that the number of caps is that relevant - I guess it is one objective stat which can be used, but it certainly isn't the only factor (I mean, by using similar 'cap-centric' logic, one could conclude that David Batty was a far better player than Le Tiss (42 caps vs 8 caps)). This is going to be one we need to back the manager on as fans haven't seen enough to decide if he's good enough or not, if MP decides he is best got rid of and someone else is better than that's fine by me, equally if he decides to see if he improves or not,because let's be honest, 3 have decent sub appearances in a season really isn't enough to justify the transfer fee and wages he must be on. Agree entirely. Happy to retain, or not to, depending upon the views of our management team. However, I can't see us getting rid of him, unless either he's done something really wrong, or if someone comes in with a decent offer.
The9 Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 This is going to be one we need to back the manager on as fans haven't seen enough to decide if he's good enough or not, if MP decides he is best got rid of and someone else is better than that's fine by me, equally if he decides to see if he improves or not,because let's be honest, 3 have decent sub appearances in a season really isn't enough to justify the transfer fee and wages he must be on. Sounds reasonable.
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 I was wrong with my 'around 21' guess. He was 19 (and 2-3 months shy of 20) when he joined us. I'm not sure that the number of caps is that relevant - I guess it is one objective stat which can be used, but it certainly isn't the only factor (I mean, by using similar 'cap-centric' logic, one could conclude that David Batty was a far better player than Le Tiss (42 caps vs 8 caps)). Agree entirely. Happy to retain, or not to, depending upon the views of our management team. However, I can't see us getting rid of him, unless either he's done something really wrong, or if someone comes in with a decent offer. Equally a doubt the player and/or his agent is happy with the amount of football he's been playing, could well see them pushing for a move.
Turkish Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 I was wrong with my 'around 21' guess. He was 19 (and 2-3 months shy of 20) when he joined us. I'm not sure that the number of caps is that relevant - I guess it is one objective stat which can be used, but it certainly isn't the only factor (I mean, by using similar 'cap-centric' logic, one could conclude that David Batty was a far better player than Le Tiss (42 caps vs 8 caps)). Agree entirely. Happy to retain, or not to, depending upon the views of our management team. However, I can't see us getting rid of him, unless either he's done something really wrong, or if someone comes in with a decent offer. By using caps I'm simply saying he was already an established international player, don't forget he was top scorer at the ACON before he joined us. I don't disagree that they probably did have one eye on the future and hed be given the chance to develo, but he is also an established international with a decent track record, I expected a bit more than glimpses of ability in a handful of sub appearances. I would have thought given that then he'd be expected to make more of an impact. It just seems strange to me that a player who clearly has ability has had so little game time. If it was just the case under Adkins or Pochettino then I could see how it might be managerial preference but for it to be the case that neither pick him then it suggests either he isn't as good as we'd hoped or something is wrong behind the scenes.
ringwood Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Mayuka loan to Reading perhaps? Chappers already linked there. Maybe Guly can get a job there as well, when did De Ridder become Dutch?
The9 Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Mayuka loan to Reading perhaps? Chappers already linked there. Maybe Guly can get a job there as well, when did De Ridder become Dutch? I'd be very surprised if Adkins doesn't try and pick up Dean Hammond from us.
Gaucho Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Funny that Gaston Ramirez has not been mentioned anywhere, but then silly me he cost a small fortune err 'the club won't sell him" ! Have heard a rumour that Ramirez is going to Fiorentina in the Summer for £15m as his wife is not happy here. No idea how strong this is.
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 once again the usual springtime bullcrap about players going.We can only offload players if they're out of contract or if we can find takers.I bet half of those mentioned will still be here come August. Personally I expect Ramirez to be one of the first out of the door,not because we want it that way but I'm not convinced that he believes that he likes English football.
Turkish Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 I'd be very surprised if Adkins doesn't try and pick up Dean Hammond from us. And Billy Sharp.
The9 Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 And Billy Sharp. Could be, Jason Roberts is probably beyond the point of usefulness in the Championship by now. Mind you I said that about Lambert in the Prem.
Dig Dig Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Re Mayuka, Pochettino has already said, when asked, that Mayuka needs to work harder to force his way into the side. Pretty clear that his effort and/or ability hasn't been good enough in training. If Mayuka can't or won't do what's required, he'll be sold or loaned out.
Chez Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 who's contract ends in the summer? They will all leave. The rest will stay all summer at least.
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 I'd be very surprised if Adkins doesn't try and pick up Dean Hammond from us. I think Hammond will stay right where he is, why would he want to go to Reading and be farrmed out again if they should miraculously get promoted. Reckon Adkins won't last the season if they aren't doing well by Xmas.
saints-cris Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Now that we're all but safe, I'd like to see a little bit more of Mayuka. Maybe Forren too, who knows. Think the rest are pretty obviously not going to stick around.
Panda Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 The new financial fair play rules are going to have a significant impact on all this. I do not know the details but wages are going to be capped as a percentage of turnover therefore you cannot afford to 'waste' a portion on players who are just not going to play, even when injuries and suspensions kick in, if they are not going to even make the bench then they have to go. Depending on the dates all these new conditions take effect it could be better to pay up a contract now and release a player so that they do not take up that limited wage capacity once the new regs start. After all, if they are going to stay they have to be paid the same amount of money even if they never play so what have you lost? It is quite possible that a player with even two or three years left on their contract could be paid up now if they have no future just to take them out of the calculations in the future. A lot of those who will go are obvious as contracts will be running out for players no longer needed. We have then established a firm financial forecast by signing up those players who are integral to the squad for the next three years or so. Then we have added in the most promising of our youngsters and know what they will cost and that leaves us with a clear figure of how much we have left to spend on wages to stay withjin the rules. Thank goodness we have good financial and football brains working on this and not just basing it on a few supporters opinions as might happen in a 'supporter owned' club (dig! dig!). Be prepared for some surprises and I guess much of our speculation will be wrong (as usual).
Saint Charlie Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 I see you've know converted into the Hooiveld delusioners... If you are suggesting that because I would get rid of Jose then I must rate Jos then you are wrong pal. I would get rid of both. Neither are good enough IMO and both the weak links of the starting XI when they play.
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 The new financial fair play rules are going to have a significant impact on all this. I do not know the details but wages are going to be capped as a percentage of turnover therefore you cannot afford to 'waste' a portion on players who are just not going to play, even when injuries and suspensions kick in, if they are not going to even make the bench then they have to go. Depending on the dates all these new conditions take effect it could be better to pay up a contract now and release a player so that they do not take up that limited wage capacity once the new regs start. After all, if they are going to stay they have to be paid the same amount of money even if they never play so what have you lost? It is quite possible that a player with even two or three years left on their contract could be paid up now if they have no future just to take them out of the calculations in the future. A lot of those who will go are obvious as contracts will be running out for players no longer needed. We have then established a firm financial forecast by signing up those players who are integral to the squad for the next three years or so. Then we have added in the most promising of our youngsters and know what they will cost and that leaves us with a clear figure of how much we have left to spend on wages to stay withjin the rules. Thank goodness we have good financial and football brains working on this and not just basing it on a few supporters opinions as might happen in a 'supporter owned' club (dig! dig!). Be prepared for some surprises and I guess much of our speculation will be wrong (as usual). Don't think it will make any difference whatsoever.
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Don't think it will make any difference whatsoever. Especially as Nicola doesn't like paying up contracts, ask Ryan Dickson about that.
SuperSAINT Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 who's contract ends in the summer? They will all leave. The rest will stay all summer at least. Last time I checked, I think it's:- - Forecast (yay!) - Dickson - Richardson - Butterfield - Seaborne - Hoskins (maybe)
UpweySaint Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Re Mayuka, Pochettino has already said, when asked, that Mayuka needs to work harder to force his way into the side. Pretty clear that his effort and/or ability hasn't been good enough in training. If Mayuka can't or won't do what's required, he'll be sold or loaned out. Good point but he did give him a chance at the weekend and, although a v short cameo, looked decent. Think he'l get a few more chances before the end of the season to prove himself to MP, might get a pre season too, if the manager has faith he can get more from him ...
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Personally think we should keep hold of Mayuka and Ramirez. Agree totally...there have been a number of question marks about NA's selections from the start of the season..(not least the goal-keeping fiasco).. I can't believe that NA didn't want to sign Jay Rod, but he did seem to lose faith in him rather quickly and tried to stick to the " traditional pattern " and played Guly from the start and after dumping Sharp quickly and went back to relying on Lambert and Puncheon instead, and didn't seem the slightest bit interested in playing Mayuka, especially at a time when we were leaking goals by the bucketload. Difficult to believe that Mayuka was " his signing "...more likely to be a tip from Jaidi in his new job - (choosing the best young African player at the time) Mayuka must be pretty peed-off at not even making the bench, and it might well be he wasn't " Saints fit " ? However, he may get the chance to prove himself in the remaining games....it would be a shame to lose him before we've seen what he's capable of ..
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2013 Posted 22 April, 2013 Have heard a rumour that Ramirez is going to Fiorentina in the Summer for £15m as his wife is not happy here. No idea how strong this is. as long as we break-even on the deal ...whatever is best for the player must be seen to be best for us, too
melmacian_saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 If you are suggesting that because I would get rid of Jose then I must rate Jos then you are wrong pal. I would get rid of both. Neither are good enough IMO and both the weak links of the starting XI when they play. Except Jose wasn't. You must be forgetting who was our best defensive unit for 3 months in the season. I really don't understand why most people on here seem to have a problem with Fonte. He can be our best player on the pitch yet people will just ignore this.
Chez Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 (edited) Aren't all centre backs the weak link these days? It's almost impossible being a physically big player that wins headers that is also fast and nimble to stay with the small strikers. How on earth Jos or Fonte are expected to successfully mark Carroll one week and Tevez the next is beyond me. Add to this they must be great on the ball and offer a decent range of short and long passes. Plus be two footed to cope with clearances from both sides. It's not the same game for centre backs. They are no longer allowed to tackle from behind, tackle hard or indeed tackle. They can't commit professional fouls, pull shirts, get their hand or arm anywhere near a football, no matter what the distance away from them it was kicked. They also have to cope with faster and fitter attackers that seem to have perfected the `art' of diving or making the most of any contact. Little wonder you and I are forever finding fault with our centre backs. Personally, I like Fonte and Jos. Less so Yoshida, but all are a million miles better than the likes of Martin. Is he out of contract in the summer? Edited 23 April, 2013 by Chez
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 The thing people seem to be forgetting about Mayuka is that he isn't some unproven kid just finding his feet in football. He'll be 23 this year, has played 43 times for Zambia and made over 100 appearances at club level. He has shown glimpses of ability in his early games here but for whatever reason this experienced international player couldn't even get into our matchday squad for 4 months, even when we had injuries to strikers, this under 2 different managers so its not like its a case of him being out of favour because the manager doesn't like him. It's clear something isn't right and if he stays or goes it won't be down to his age, transfer fee or playing well as a sub 6 months ago. He really should have done more in his time here. I'm not writing him off as haven't seen enough of him to make an opinion but let's not kid ourselves he was signed as one for the future, he was signed to make an immediate impact as you'd expect a player with nearly 50 international caps to do. I have played for Zambia 3 times and I only went a weeks all inclusive........................
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 I have played for Zambia 3 times and I only went a weeks all inclusive........................ With your scouse accent and blacked up as a minstrel I could actually believe that Baz
landford.saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 Heard this morning from Leeds supporting colleague that Billy Sharp was going there in summer £1.5 million. He said he saw it on some sky news thingey. If true, and I have no basis to wether there is any fact in this or not, I can see him doing OK there, and it's still up his end of the country.
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 With your scouse accent and blacked up as a minstrel I could actually believe that Baz I scored after 15mins on my debut, a floating cross over from the right and I soared like an Eagle and boom! Back of the net, the crowd went crazy, my nickname is King of the Congo over there now.
Panda Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 Don't think it will make any difference whatsoever. Oh, sorry! I must be wrong then.
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Posted 23 April, 2013 another thread up the creek with out a paddle or somebody to put it back on track
Over land and sea Posted 25 April, 2013 Posted 25 April, 2013 (edited) I suspect that we would like to offload most if not all of Sharp, Lee, Mayuka, Hammond, Chaplow, Barnard, Butterfield, Forte, Martin, Seaborne, Forecast, de Ridder, Richardson, Dickson so that we can reduce the wage bill and release funds for the first team. None of the above have really featured to any great extent if at all this season so we wouldn't need 15 replacements. Of course wanting to offload and being able to do so are two different things. Richardson, Butterfield, Chaplow, Seaborne, Forecast, Dickson are all out of contract in June but the others aren't so we will be reliant on someone wanting them and meeting our valuation. Lee, Hammond, Barnard, Forte, Martin, de Ridder all have contracts until 2014; Sharp until 2015 and Mayuka until 2017. On contracts, this site Transfermarkt is pretty good at summarising the contracts for first team players. It is less reliable for U18s and U21s, partly I suspect because the club tends not to publicise the details about length of contract for the younger players, often referring instead to long-term professional deals. If you believe this site virtually all the U21 and second year U18s are out of contract this summer - I don't believe that though I suspect there will need to be decisions about a lot of them. Edited 25 April, 2013 by Over land and sea
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2013 Posted 25 April, 2013 I suspect that we would like to offload most if not all of Sharp, Lee, Mayuka, Hammond, Chaplow, Barnard, Butterfield, Forte, Martin, Seaborne, Forecast, de Ridder, Richardson, Dickson so that we can reduce the wage bill and release funds for the first team. None of the above have really featured to any great extent if at all this season so we wouldn't need 15 replacements. Of course wanting to offload and being able to do so are two different things. Richardson, Butterfield, Chaplow, Seaborne, Forecast, Dickson are all out of contract in June but the others aren't so we will be reliant on someone wanting them and meeting our valuation. Lee, Hammond, Barnard, Forte, Martin, de Ridder all have contracts until 2014; Sharp until 2015 and Mayuka until 2017. On contracts, this site Transfermarkt is pretty good at summarising the contracts for first team players. It is less reliable for U18s and U21s, partly I suspect because the club tends not to publicise the details about length of contract for the younger players, often referring instead to long-term professional deals. If you believe this site virtually all the U21 and second year U18s are out of contract this summer - I don't believe that though I suspect there will need to be decsions about a lot of them. Haven't Tokyo FC made us an offer for Tad ? Think we're just waiting for ther transfer window in his case.
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