SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 (edited) It equates to an extra point as it puts you higher in the table as an extra point would ? simple isn't it No it doesn't. See my example above. Team 1 is above team 2. On points. Team 2 has a better goal difference. But that better goal difference emphatically, mathematically, conclusively DOES NOT count for an extra point. The better goal difference does not "equate" to an extra point either. If we end the season like this: 17. Wigan Pld 46 Pts 40 GD -18 18. Saints Pld 46 Pts 39 GD -11 ....then I look forward to hearing your explanation as to how our superior goal difference "equates" to a point. Specifically, the point we are behind Wigan by. How does our better GD "count for a point"? If it did, Wigan fans would be similarly bemused. It doesn't. Saints would be relegated and Wigan would stay up. Edited 23 April, 2013 by SaintBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 At which point do you not understand that the goal difference rule only comes into play if the points totals are the same? At that point the team with the better goal difference would finish higher in the table. As if the team that was now above the other had an extra point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 At which point do you not understand that the goal difference rule only comes into play if the points totals are the same? At that point the team with the better goal difference would finish higher in the table. As if the team that was now above the other had an extra point? At which point did you think I didn't know the rules of ranking teams in a division? The GD rule only comes into play if teams are tied on points. A superior GD doesn't equal "an extra point". It doesn't "equate" to an extra point either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 At which point do you not understand that the goal difference rule only comes into play if the points totals are the same? At that point the team with the better goal difference would finish higher in the table. As if the team that was now above the other had an extra point? In the same way that the better GD difference team would be ahead of the less good GD team if the former had an extra million points. So, let's just say a better goal difference is worth a million points. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 In the same way that the better GD difference team would be ahead of the less good GD team if the former had an extra million points. So, let's just say a better goal difference is worth a million points. Sigh. If that was the case they would be slighter higher than one place above them then wouldn't they? and the point or goal difference would not come into question would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 In the same way that the better GD difference team would be ahead of the less good GD team if the former had an extra million points. So, let's just say a better goal difference is worth a million points. Sigh. And now lets ask why you are being particularly obtuse about this and not really understanding why it would equate to, =, be the same as, 1 point more ? or is that question to difficult for you as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 If that was the case they would be slighter higher than one place above them then wouldn't they? and the point or goal difference would not come into question would it? No. If the top two teams in a division tie on points, then let's say GD is worth a million bonus points. You're still only one place above the other team. Once again, having a better goal difference isn't "worth an extra point". It does not "equate to an extra point". It only comes in to play if two teams are tied. If it was actually "worth a point" or "equated to a point", it could be the factor that actually led to a tie between two teams, rather than breaking a tie. The easiest way to measure it is to say that a better GD is worth half a point (or pick any number above zero and below one, it makes no difference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 And now lets ask why you are being particularly obtuse about this and not really understanding why it would equate to, =, be the same as, 1 point more ? or is that question to difficult for you as well? It is worth less than 1 point and more than zero points. That's what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 No. If the top two teams in a division tie on points, then let's say GD is worth a million bonus points. You're still only one place above the other team. Once again, having a better goal difference isn't "worth an extra point". It does not "equate to an extra point". It only comes in to play if two teams are tied. If it was actually "worth a point" or "equated to a point", it could be the factor that actually led to a tie between two teams, rather than breaking a tie. The easiest way to measure it is to say that a better GD is worth half a point (or pick any number above zero and below one, it makes no difference) This is like talking to a small 6 year old As the system only uses whole points not fractions of it is easier to think of 1 point as the measure of goal difference. As you were originally talking about the bottom of the table where up to 19 places could be changed it works fine, then to try to prove a point place the two tied teams at the top it fails in your case as it could only ever work with a million points at that position otherwise teams at the bottom would tie and then miraculously win the league with a million points + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 This is like talking to a small 6 year old As the system only uses whole points not fractions of it is easier to think of 1 point as the measure of goal difference. As you were originally talking about the bottom of the table where up to 19 places could be changed it works fine, then to try to prove a point place the two tied teams at the top it fails in your case as it could only ever work with a million points at that position otherwise teams at the bottom would tie and then miraculously win the league with a million points + Superior goal difference isn't worth a point. It doesn't "count as a point" It doesn't "equate to point" It doesn't = a point either. It is worth 0 points. Less than a point. In all cases. At all times. If you're only tie-breaking teams, you may as well say it's worth an infinite number of points. Why fixate on the number 1? Pick your favourite, lucky number. 7? 42? 1,0000? 7,888,343, 562? Up to you. But best to say it's worth 0.5 points, to stop the mathematically cretinous believing that it could ever lead to you actually catching a team that's ahead of you by one point. If a superior GD "equated to a point" (or more), then you would be able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Superior goal difference isn't worth a point. It doesn't "count as a point" It doesn't "equate to point" It doesn't = a point either. It is worth 0 points. Less than a point. In all cases. At all times. If you're only tie-breaking teams, you may as well say it's worth an infinite number of points. Why fixate on the number 1? Pick your favourite, lucky number. 7? 42? 1,0000? 7,888,343, 562? Up to you. But best to say it's worth 0.5 points, to stop the mathematically cretinous believing that it could ever lead to you actually catching a team that's ahead of you by one point. If a superior GD "equated to a point" (or more), then you would be able to do that. At no point did it get said we were trying to catch the team in front of us but it would prevent a team below us with the same points overtaking us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Superior goal difference isn't worth a point. It doesn't "count as a point" It doesn't "equate to point" It doesn't = a point either. It is worth 0 points. Less than a point. In all cases. At all times. If you're only tie-breaking teams, you may as well say it's worth an infinite number of points. Why fixate on the number 1? Pick your favourite, lucky number. 7? 42? 1,0000? 7,888,343, 562? Up to you. But best to say it's worth 0.5 points, to stop the mathematically cretinous believing that it could ever lead to you actually catching a team that's ahead of you by one point. If a superior GD "equated to a point" (or more), then you would be able to do that. And all points are rounded up to the nearest whole number as the league only deals in whole numbers not fractions there of so it = 1point My point entirely Thank you and goodnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 And all points are rounded up to the nearest whole number as the league only deals in whole numbers not fractions there of so it = 1point My point entirely Thank you and goodnight You what? OMFG. If points are rounded to the nearest whole number, a superior goal difference is worth zero points. Unless you care to show me a table where this mystical "equated point" has been added. Who will get the "bonus point" this year in the Premier League? Do tell... God, what an innumerate, dribbling cretin you truly are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Not nearly as cretinous as asking for a million points? And why resort to the name calling? That un-becomes you sir and I demand an apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I chuckled too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/feb/26/newsstory.manchesterunited "We're scoring a lot of goals and, you never know, it could be an issue. We just want to make sure that, if it goes to goal difference, our own tally is good," said the United manager. "I've always said that having a superior goal difference is worth an extra point. It could be vital this season with the championship being so close." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I chuckled too I did have a lot of free time on my hands this morning so just couldn't let it drop Bobby never flaming apologised though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So what happens if we finish on the same points as someone else? Anyone have any ideas? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 You what? OMFG. If points are rounded to the nearest whole number, a superior goal difference is worth zero points. Unless you care to show me a table where this mystical "equated point" has been added. Who will get the "bonus point" this year in the Premier League? Do tell... God, what an innumerate, dribbling cretin you truly are. Plus 0.7 reputation points for explaining it so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So what happens if we finish on the same points as someone else? Anyone have any ideas? Anyone? as i understand you get one extra point for every goal difference if someone is below us but if someone is above us you only get 0.5 point for every goal difference scored. goal differences can be type of goal i.e. penalty or they can be different ends. Also away goals count double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Cheers bear, that's good explaining. Does that mean that for example West Ham have bed goal difference as all their goals are pretty much the same apart from the ones that's are slightly different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 yeah but they will benefit soon from different goals in new stadium. This should be worth +5 points over course of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So what happens if we finish on the same points as someone else? Anyone have any ideas? Anyone? Well if you want my take on it we will finish just above that team but Bobby seems to think we will get a million points which means we will be in the CL next season as far as I can tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Cheers bear. In a completely unrelated issue, has a match build up thread ever been closed or moved to the muppet show before (apart from the Liverpool one of course)? Saint Bobby dragged this one right off topic, I'll try and save it. So... Does anyone know if Shaw has got over his 'virus' yet? Bear how long does it take to get over those types of viruses? Swansea were obviously targeting our left side last week. If I were Fox I'd take that as an insult. It was like Micheal Laudrup had a big picture of fox up on the white board and went "target this guy, he's pants". Fox should not be standing for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So does this mean we are staying up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So who's playing Saturday in your opinion? Oops wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So who's playing Saturday in your opinion? Oops wrong thread Apparently McMenemy is still to decide between Wells and Katalinic. The young lads Wallace and Moran could feature & Keegan is fit again. We'll need to make sure we keep a good eye on Cunningham and the centre half stands up to Regis. Ah, the good old days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 How many points are away goals worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 So does this mean we are staying up? Not me. I'm glad I went to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I have a headache reading all that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 I've got a headache now as its 4 in the afternoon and the Bar was open before the first salvo was fired across Saint Bobby's brow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 If goal difference was "worth a point", then team B would be above team A. 17th - Team A - 39 points Goal difference -15 ...................... 18th - Team B - 38 points Goal difference -10 But they aren't. Fin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 If goal difference was "worth a point", then team B would be above team A. 17th - Team A - 39 points Goal difference -15 ...................... 18th - Team B - 38 points Goal difference -10 But they aren't. Fin I'm not starting this again Bobby capitulated which means I was right and now you are wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Get a win in this game and Wigan + Villa lose then we are mathematically safe. Could be guaranteed prem football as early as next Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 If goal difference was "worth a point", then team B would be above team A. 17th - Team A - 39 points Goal difference -15 ...................... 18th - Team B - 38 points Goal difference -10 But they aren't. Fin It's worth a point yo cos Team B only needs one point rather than 2 to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 It's worth a point yo cos Team B only needs one point rather than 2 to stay up. Im with the Bear on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 It's worth a point yo cos Team B only needs one point rather than 2 to stay up. The bear speaks the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 it's nice of us to come on here educating ain't it phil! People like mlg & saintbobby might complain at first - no-one likes learning - but hopefully it will save them embarrassments down the line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 If goal difference was "worth a point", then team B would be above team A. 17th - Team A - 39 points Goal difference -15 ...................... 18th - Team B - 38 points Goal difference -10 But they aren't. Fin It's worth a point yo cos Team B only needs one point rather than 2 to stay up. Im with the Bear on this The bear speaks the truth. But as the table currently stands it has not taken them above. You are all talking about if in the future a team gets a further point then they go above team A. What if my table was after 38 games? Team B would be down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 it's nice of us to come on here educating ain't it phil! People like mlg & saintbobby might complain at first - no-one likes learning - but hopefully it will save them embarrassments down the line! Couldn't agree more Sire Lets hope this has put it to bed until at least next season, when most of the would have forgot what the rules are anyway. Im back off to the muppet show then bed as it appears Im doing the night shift making sure the main board behaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 MLG when do away goals count double? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 But as the table currently stands it has not taken them above. You are all talking about if in the future a team gets a further point then they go above team A. What if my table was after 38 games? Team B would be down. As the table currently stands, Wigan will go down because they have 3 less points than Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 You are all talking about if in the future yes I am mlg glad you getting it now! we is discussing future points requirements cos season ain't ended yet! It's all moot anyways cos of away goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 When are away goals mooted bear? Don't corners count for nothing these days? Didn't it used to be 3 points for a goal (away goals count double) and 1 point for a corner, if the score is even after 60 minutes? This is what is was on my playing days anyway. Also the team with the secret 40 year old man pretending to be 11 years old generally always won. I notice some people have been suggesting 40 year olds in the HCDAJFU thread but then all that was deleted by main board mod and no one posted any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 away goals are mooted after second leg. E.g. home to liverpool we won 3-1 but away we lost 0-1 so cos of away goals count double it was overall draw at 3-3 so we have to share the points (i.e. each team gets 3 points, 1 for each goals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Sorry, I don't get the point of this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Sorry Phil, I was Bobby dragged it off topic and as we pretty much have a setled side that doesn't change much (you could retitle this thread will Fox/Shaw play or will Gaston/Davis play), it has continued off topic. This is for you and your soon to be wife: A bum asked a man on the street for $5. "Will you buy booze?" the man asks, to which the bum replies, "No." "Will you gamble it away?" Once again the bum replies, "No." "Will you make bets at the golf course?" Once again the bum replies "No, I don't play golf" Will you go to a dance? No I don't dance either. Then the man asks, "Will you come home with me so my wife can see what happens to a man who doesn't drink, gamble, play golf or dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 Sorry Phil, I was Bobby dragged it off topic and as we pretty much have a setled side that doesn't change much (you could retitle this thread will Fox/Shaw play or will Gaston/Davis play), it has continued off topic. This is for you and your soon to be wife: A bum asked a man on the street for $5. "Will you buy booze?" the man asks, to which the bum replies, "No." "Will you gamble it away?" Once again the bum replies, "No." "Will you make bets at the golf course?" Once again the bum replies "No, I don't play golf" Will you go to a dance? No I don't dance either. Then the man asks, "Will you come home with me so my wife can see what happens to a man who doesn't drink, gamble, play golf or dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 April, 2013 Share Posted 23 April, 2013 GD = 0.5 points effectively. You're all very silly sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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