Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Was walking to work this am and saw a bloke slap a girl of around 11 or so round the face. Now it wasnt a propper massive lashing, but it seemed (from about 50 metres away) more than a comedy slap. I couldnt hear what was being said, but it looked like they were arguing. I slowed my walk and tried to watch without standing there gawping (sp). They appeared to carry on arguing from a distance of a couple of metres or so and I walked on. However, it did cross my mind to go over to him and have a go at him for slapping a child. This then got me thinking albeit in a paranoid kind of way. He could have been abducting her or even one of those abusive parents/step parents/child minders we have heard about in the last few weeks and if I had of gone over, i may have stopped some of this. But the little voice on the other shoulder, pointed out that it may have been a parent dealing with a very naughty child and although maybe shouldnt have done it in public, was infact issuing deserved punishment for bad behaviour. I know there is a smacking ban, but this IMO is wrong and I thoroughly believe that without disciplinging a child, you cannot properly set boundaries and the children grow up to be a little more outlandish than they maybe should be. I know there are exceptions to the rules, and a lot of people do not smack their kids and the kids turn out fine, but it is no coincidence IMO that since this 'smacking ban' and 'It's wrong to disciplin/shout at' your kids mentality has come in, the UK's soceity has slowly declined. When I was starting senior school, there was no way I would ever give lip to the year 11's, out of a mix of respect and fear, however, by the time I got to the end of senior school, the year 7's were a hell of a lot more cheeky than we ever were. Going back to the dilema, I carried on walking, but Im sure there are a few people who would have possibly walked over and said something, maybe ending up with egg on their face, or possibly helping out a situation which could have got worse?!?! What would you have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I would have ignored it, If she was being a brat then then she deserves a slap Would the thought have not crossed your mind, especially in cases like Baby P though that, in fact, the adult was being too harsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I, too, would have ignored it. Why involve yourself in someone elses business, unless of course they're brandishing a knife and you fancy yourself as a have-a-go hero. My only qualm would have been if it was a parent disciplining a child, they shouldn't have slapped her on the face. A swift smack on the arse usually suffices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Baby P was a one off and this will always happen. hows that work then? a one off that always happens? yours, a pedant (and ****) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 If I was in the immediate vicinity I would have expressed my concern and highlighted the fact that we were in a public place, however, I am not against this form of discipline and my only issue would be that it was in public, if I thought it was excessive I would have slapped the guy that slapped the girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 i would have ignored it. None of my business and women deserve to be slapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 If I was in the immediate vicinity I would have expressed my concern and highlighted the fact that we were in a public place, however, I am not against this form of discipline and my only issue would be that it was in public, if I thought it was excessive I would have slapped the guy that slapped the girl This is probably the most like my point of view. I was however a fair distance away and walking in another direction, had I been walking past I would have done the above though. I am all for disciplining children in the correct situations, but do not feel public is one of these correct situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 i would have ignored it. None of my business and women deserve to be slapped Im starting to worry about you, are you turning into a ghey? All this women hating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poshie72 Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I would probably have ignored it, especially considering that if I even threaten my kids with a smack, you tend to get looks from the public. Although my only concern would be that a parent wouldnt normally slap their child on the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aids victim Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I would've asked if he could do it again, got my phone out, shout HAPPY SLAAAAAAAAAAAP, filmed it and then upload it to youtube. I'd have then put the link on here and you'd all reply with "LOLZ, AIDZ YOU FUNNY AS CLART" safe xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Just to pick up on the smacking point... less smacking does not means less well behaved kids. Both me and the missus we're smacking by our parents when we were little, when our eldest was born (he's 3) we said that we would smack him if the situation came for it. He's not a naughty child by any means, in fact we know he's fairly well behaved, but like any kids his age he has his moments when "timeout" etc hasnt worked and he's crossed the line after many warnings, so we've smacked him, no hard, but enough to make the point. However, when our youngest was born (and after talking to my sis who did similar) we decided to stop smacking completely as we didnt want ewan (youngest) to see us hitting Kristof (oldest). And you know what? Kristofs behviour has actually improved significantly since we stopped smacking. Sure, he's gets the Fergie-hairdryer treatment, but the nearest he gets to physical action is a prod on the belly or a firm hold of the arm and a march off to the corner. I'm not saying you shouldnt smack kids, but don't say that NOT smacking them makes them more of a problem, because it doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I'm not saying you shouldnt smack kids, but don't say that NOT smacking them makes them more of a problem, because it doesnt. I know there are exceptions to the rules, and a lot of people do not smack their kids and the kids turn out fine, but it is no coincidence IMO that since this 'smacking ban' and 'It's wrong to disciplin/shout at' your kids mentality has come in, the UK's soceity has slowly declined. Sorry Baj, I didnt mean that not smacking your kids would mean they turn out to be little sh!ts, because regardless of if you smack or not, its the general upbringing of a child which has significant effects on how they turn out IMO. I just think that part of the reason (and it is probably a fairly small part) of why soceity has changed is due to the whole discipling of children and how certain things are now deemed wrong or unacceptable. This is why we are seeing a lot more teacher attacks and excluded children from schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poshie72 Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I agree with you Baj. I cant remember the last time I actually smacked any of my children. If the Fergie-hairdryer treatment doesnt work then its up stairs to bed for mine, regardless of the time of day, to think about what they have done. I also tell them that they can only come back downstairs when they can tell me what they did that was wrong. This ranges from deep well thought out reasons from my 11 year old to just 'cos it was naughty' from my 4 year old, but at least they have understood why I was angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I agree with you Baj. I cant remember the last time I actually smacked any of my children. If the Fergie-hairdryer treatment doesnt work then its up stairs to bed for mine, regardless of the time of day, to think about what they have done. I also tell them that they can only come back downstairs when they can tell me what they did that was wrong. This ranges from deep well thought out reasons from my 11 year old to just 'cos it was naughty' from my 4 year old, but at least they have understood why I was angry Exactly the same tactic, its only actually been in the last few weeks that he's been able to articulate what he did that was wrong, before it was "Why?" "...but I did..." "but you did do what?" "...but i did" Clearly he wasn't trying to be difficult, just didnt really understand the question, tho this morning "Why?" "because I didnt listen to you when you told me I had to stand up" (actually, he screamed NO at me when I told him it was time to get out of the bath, but I think that's fairly accurate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Clearly he wasn't trying to be difficult, just didnt really understand the question, tho this morning "Why?" "because I didnt listen to you when you told me I had to stand up" (actually, he screamed NO at me when I told him it was time to get out of the bath, but I think that's fairly accurate). lol, you should enjoy the phase he is going through whereby he likes to spend time washing. As soon as he turns into a teenager, it turns into avoiding baths/showers at all costs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 It is not illegal to smack your kids out right, it is illegal to leave a mark, i.e. if you smacked them on the arse and it left a red mark then you could get done for it. You should never smack a child in the face. Saying that I don't what you could have done if it was the child's parent and they were being 'disciplined' they prob have given you a slap and told you to mind your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 When at 6th form i worked in Sainsburys on a saturday and remember seeing a bloke wallop his kid (looked about 7 or so) twice, very hard, whilst they were queuing up with the trolley. It was clear he was only taking out his frustration on the poor lad. The nipper was distraught. Everyone looked around and straight away a woman in the next queue started remonstrating with him. Initially he looked embarrased but quickly changed tack and told her where to go. I was shelf stacking in an aisle close to where this was happening and went over to see the fuss. When i got there i had to hold another bloke back from laruping the father and a few of us were called in to try and stop the possible ensuing commotion. We escorted the father and his poor son from the shop to his car as there were a few threats from other shoppers. When we got to his car, me and another fella accidentally rammed the trolley into the customer and equally accidentally grabbed his knackers, smacked him in the guts and told him not to be such a nasty ****. I hope that poor nipper didn't suffer anymore at the hands of his cowardly bastard father. So yeah, i think the majority of people are sensible enough to weigh up a situation. If it looks like a nipper needs help, then i'd ask them if there was anything i could do. I think we all have a moral obligation to helping nippers if they are in trouble, irrespective of if they are ours or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 accidentally grabbed his knackers, smacked him in the guts and told him not to be such a nasty ****. at which point i stopped believing the story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 at which point i stopped believing the story... ??: why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poshie72 Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Exactly the same tactic, its only actually been in the last few weeks that he's been able to articulate what he did that was wrong, before it was "Why?" "...but I did..." "but you did do what?" "...but i did" Clearly he wasn't trying to be difficult, just didnt really understand the question, tho this morning "Why?" "because I didnt listen to you when you told me I had to stand up" (actually, he screamed NO at me when I told him it was time to get out of the bath, but I think that's fairly accurate). lol sounds very familiar. I love it when my youngest tries to negotiate time... i'll say "5 more mins" he'll say "2 more minutes" lol not actually realising that he is giving himself less time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 lol sounds very familiar. I love it when my youngest tries to negotiate time... i'll say "5 more mins" he'll say "2 more minutes" lol not actually realising that he is giving himself less time Unless he is negotiating extra time upon your extra time, thus giving him 7 extra minutes. I think you are underestimating his intelligence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poshie72 Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Unless he is negotiating extra time upon your extra time, thus giving him 7 extra minutes. I think you are underestimating his intelligence! :-k You may have a point there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Accidentally grabbed his knackers! Like you do. How the hell to you accidentally man handle another blokes wedding tackle by mistake? Where you playing rugby at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 1 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Like you do. How the hell to you accidentally man handle another blokes wedding tackle by mistake? Where you playing rugby at the time? Open dictionary and see 'Sarcasm'! For 'accidental', I think he meant - If he were asked by the old bill or his boss what happened, it was 'accident'! for example, yes prison officer, I accidently put my boot into this nonce's face, kinda thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Are you serious ? Yes you are, arn't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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