Saint Charlie Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 Simple question: if the 1976 cup win could be deleted from football records, but Saints get into Europe next season would you think thats a good sacrifice? I would as the past is often forgotten anyway but the present is more relevant today and would be more of a talking point. At my work my peers don't know who won the cup in the 1970s but they do know who is where in the league in the present day. Its a tough choice because silverware is important but I could do without our name etched on the cup if it meant European footy next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 In a word: No. As the two are not intrinsically linked I cannot take the question too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 The FA Cup win means very little to me as I was only just born at the time and therefore don't really feel associated with it. Older folk will of course disagree with that, and had I been 20 years older I'd imagine your idea would seem like complete nonsense. As it is, I probably wouldn't be too bothered either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 No brainer the cup win is arguably our crowning glory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 I was 7 but remember it very very clearly. Still extremely proud of leaping about when we beat Man Utd. Would never replace it, end of. Got into Europe 2003/4, damp squib in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 The FA Cup win means very little to me as I was only just born at the time and therefore don't really feel associated with it. Older folk will of course disagree with that, and had I been 20 years older I'd imagine your idea would seem like complete nonsense. As it is, I probably wouldn't be too bothered either way. As someone who was born 8 years after the event, I cannot agree with the sentiment. The DVD of the cup win is a regular view for me, and seeing the celebrations at the final whistle I cannot help but feel pride and a hope that we will experience similar again in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 This is probably the most ridiculous question I have ever seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 What a ****ing stupid question. Someone asked me today if I either had to jump in a paddling pool of my own sh1t or do two lengths in a pool of my own p1ss which I'd rather do. I think the answer to that question bears more interest than what you have put forward there. (I went for the p1ss) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 If Saints are going to join the big time we need to be winning trophies, not deleting them. If in the next two seasons we failed to qualify for Europe via league placing but won a league cup and an FA cup that would be a peachy start!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 A Pompey supporter would go for Saints in Europe cos that would mean we'd won even less compared to their blue and white machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 18 April, 2013 Share Posted 18 April, 2013 What a ****ing stupid question. Someone asked me today if I either had to jump in a paddling pool of my own sh1t or do two lengths in a pool of my own p1ss which I'd rather do. I think the answer to that question bears more interest than what you have put forward there. (I went for the p1ss) Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I wouldn't even swap the JPT Final win for Europe next year. Surely the whole point of playing is to win, so why would you not want to? It's like saying would you rather get to 20 finals and lose or get to one and win it. The answer will always be the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Simple question: if the 1976 cup win could be deleted from football records, but Saints get into Europe next season would you think thats a good sacrifice? I would as the past is often forgotten anyway but the present is more relevant today and would be more of a talking point. At my work my peers don't know who won the cup in the 1970s but they do know who is where in the league in the present day. Its a tough choice because silverware is important but I could do without our name etched on the cup if it meant European footy next season. This is such an arbitrary, random dichotomy - if this, then not that. Why? How about both? That was then; this is now. We don't have to give up what we once had in order to get something new. We can do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 76 cup win no contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Agreed. You'd go for the p1ss as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Was only born a few days before the cup win so have none of the reall emotional association with it that the folk that remember that great day but nevertheless there's no way I'd delete it from our records. People remember those that win competitions not those that merely play in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 As I recollect the 76 win meant we qualified for Europe the following season so we got both! not an either or! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 is this actually on offer charlie? I feel like ur wasting my time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 This is like going back in time thousands of years and being told not touch anything as it would change the future, inadvertantly you tread on a beetle unknown to you, and when you return to the present everything has changed...................... 1976 Cup win was the turning of a corner for Saints, having been relegated 2 years before, this was the furnace being stoked up under the desire to get back into the top league, which we achieved and went onto to be runners up to the League Championships (which these days would have gotten us into the CL) we qualified for Europe by rights more than once. Leave the cup in our history, it is still a sweet little grenade to drop in the pocket of a gobby Manure supporter. Let evolution take its course and let, eventually, the being Champions of Europe taste even sweeter by having enjoyed the full journey in getting there, not missing out on the trials and tribulations by nipping through the hole shown to you in the hedge of the maze to its end by swapping a Glorious day in our Footballing history for a handful of not so Magic beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Never,Europe is just a holiday the cup final is etched forever in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I wanted to come back with something that would berate the OP for the utter drivel that he proposed then reminded myself of a line in Charlie Brooker's Guardian column the other day when debating Thatcher. He said... The homages weren't limited to TV screens however. Git-haired One Direction sex minnow Harry Styles hastily tweeted an RIP, prompting many of his fans to wonder aloud just who this "Thatcher" person was, much to the amusement of onlookers not quite smart enough to understand how time works. It's unfair to berate One Direction fans for their Maggie ignorance: for one thing, they're about 10 minutes old. They've only just learned to grasp objects. When I was their age I didn't know who Alec Douglas-Home was. Still don't, come to think of it. I've boldened (no, I didn't think there was such a word) the bit I think relates to this subject. No I thought, this is simply the daydreaming thoughts of someone not around back in the day who knows no better. I was five at the time and as far as I'm aware, it's my earliest memory. It makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck thinking about the absolute joy that summer was, forever reliving that magical moment out in the street using tee shirts as goal posts. When I came round from my own bout of daydreaming I thought hang on a moment, what an utter load of piffle. I remember as a kid how proud I was when I found out Saints appeared in the first FA Cup of the 20th century and then again in 1902 (we lost them both by the way, not that it would seem to have mattered to our younger fans if we'd won) and wondering what those early days of the game were like. So I do object strongly to this notion that all in the past matters not a jot. This is our history, it's something to be proud of, something to look back and wonder how great those times must have been for anyone who experienced them. Whether they be at Wembley itself or on the route of the victory bus that toured the city the next day. The facebook group, Southampton Memories: People and Places has just recently had people posting up pictures of the city tour. You can't fail to wonder how happy out city was that day. So young brethren, don't believe the hype that it's all about the now. Live a little in the past, it has a lot to teach you. As a wise old Greek said, Whoso neglects learning in his youth, loses the past and is dead for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I wasn't born, but no, because it meant a lot to so many Saints fans in the 70s. Why would you want to take it away from them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I'd delete the OP for asking a stupid question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I'd delete the OP for asking a stupid question Indeed. Its so stupid its jaw-dropping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Has to be a skate on a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2013 To the dissentors - do you think Liverpool fans would hand back two of their titles in the 1980's in return for winning one next year? Of course they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Not a chance would they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I'd be more inclined to scrap all record since the Premier League began in 1990 whatever it was. Lets face it, football has become pretty disposable since then.. What a stupid f***ing question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Its just a question chill out ffs. FA cup for me all day. By Europe do you meam europa or CL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 (edited) Simple question: if the 1976 cup win could be deleted from football records, but Saints get into Europe next season would you think thats a good sacrifice? I would as the past is often forgotten anyway but the present is more relevant today and would be more of a talking point. At my work my peers don't know who won the cup in the 1970s but they do know who is where in the league in the present day. Its a tough choice because silverware is important but I could do without our name etched on the cup if it meant European footy next season. That's a rubbish choice. The '76 Cup Win all the way. 15 years before I was even a Saints fan, but that's not really the point. As for the Europa League, why would I write off a massive moment in Saints history just for the privilege of playing a Thursday night game in some random country against a half-decent team, where a couple of the matches might not even mean anything due to the group format ? Oh, and the p155 for me as well, though it's a terrible analogy. Edited 19 April, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 To the dissentors - do you think Liverpool fans would hand back two of their titles in the 1980's in return for winning one next year? Of course they would. Would they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 This is a serious question??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Its just a question chill out ffs. FA cup for me all day. By Europe do you meam europa or CL? Personally I wouldnt for Europa League but certainly would for Champions League. Don't see what is wrong with wanting to see the Club I support being successful in my own lifetime? Would a Liverpool fan born in say 1995 be happy to go through their life and not win a title and somehow expect to be comforted by things that they were not even alive for? I loved watching the 1976 videos etc, hearing the stories and respect the achievement, but I was born in 1987 so for me the successive promotions were the only real success I have seen - if we got in the Champions League I would happily swap that for winning I cup I wasn't alive for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Can't believe how pathetic people get over a simple question. Don't like the question? Don't bother answering it then, it's not hard. Saint Charlie, it's interesting to think about at leat. I was born in 83 and would certainly be dissapointed not to experience something similar in my lifetime. Also consider that the FA cup was a real big deal back then in comparison to now. To the poster who wouldn't swap JPT for a champions league place.....lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Guess some people grew up considering winning a Wembley final a bigger success than finishing 4th in league. Football's changed since those days and in my opinion not for the better, I just feel sorry for the ones who know no better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 This, hot on the heels of the hammond thread - the OP is losing his touch. Used to impart enough seriousness on his questions to pull them back from the brink of wummery and hence fool punters. Where's the magic gone, charlie? Looks like we may have another two-bit glasgow saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2013 This, hot on the heels of the hammond thread - the OP is losing his touch. Used to impart enough seriousness on his questions to pull them back from the brink of wummery and hence fool punters. Where's the magic gone, charlie? Looks like we may have another two-bit glasgow saint. Clearly if you look the Hammond thread wasn't mine. And its an interesting debate, Cups arent what they used to be, and too many teams live in the past. Fortunately the reality is you will never have to chose, but even if you adapt it to a preference over a cup win or European qualification then its an interesting debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Our trophy cabinet is embarrassingly sparse as it is, no way in a million years would I give up our only meaningful trophy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 I would keep any trophy and forgo a place in the Champion's league where we may well not win a game. Let's keep the happy memories!! and yes I was there in 1976! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 The OP should be taken away quietly and committed - what a ridiculous question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 People these days don't grasp how massive the FA Cup was in the seventies. The whole country came to a standstill to watch on BBC (and a few on ITV). It was not the Cinderella side-show it is now. So, no keep the Cup. We will get into the Champions League anyway if Cortese keeps on delivering his promises.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Clearly if you look the Hammond thread wasn't mine. And its an interesting debate, Cups arent what they used to be, and too many teams live in the past. Fortunately the reality is you will never have to chose, but even if you adapt it to a preference over a cup win or European qualification then its an interesting debate. That's right - the other half of your thomson and thompson double act posted a picture of dale stephens whereas you posted the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom8558 Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Simple question: if the 1976 cup win could be deleted from football records, but Saints get into Europe next season would you think thats a good sacrifice? I would as the past is often forgotten anyway but the present is more relevant today and would be more of a talking point. At my work my peers don't know who won the cup in the 1970s but they do know who is where in the league in the present day. Its a tough choice because silverware is important but I could do without our name etched on the cup if it meant European footy next season. Daft question. I seem to remember that winning the cup qualified us for the Cup Winners Cup the following season, ending at the hands of the cheats from Anderlecht. Even getting to the cup final in 2003 meant a game in Europe the following season. As Wigan will find out this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Daft question. I seem to remember that winning the cup qualified us for the Cup Winners Cup the following season, ending at the hands of the cheats from Anderlecht. Even getting to the cup final in 2003 meant a game in Europe the following season. As Wigan will find out this season. Wasn't it the ref who was the cheat and his past caught up with him a couple of years back.......................... but then as I type and blow the cobwebs off recall weren't Anderlecht implicated as being in it together?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Great question St Charlie, really got me thinking. The FA cup is the one thing we have ever achieved but it was so long ago it's not as important these days. In fact, its a bit embarrassing when people say "when was the last time you won something" and we have to say "1976". It's an admission of being crap. I'd rather give it up and go for Europe. We could spend some money and get some quality players in and win something. Then we'd be saved the shame of admitting our last trophy win was almost 40 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 That's a rubbish choice. The '76 Cup Win all the way. 15 years before I was even a Saints fan, but that's not really the point. As for the Europa League, why would I write off a massive moment in Saints history just for the privilege of playing a Thursday night game in some random country against a half-decent team, where a couple of the matches might not even mean anything due to the group format ? Oh, and the p155 for me as well, though it's a terrible analogy. Wasn't really an analogy. Just another example of a completely pointless question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Great question St Charlie, really got me thinking. The FA cup is the one thing we have ever achieved but it was so long ago it's not as important these days. In fact, its a bit embarrassing when people say "when was the last time you won something" and we have to say "1976". It's an admission of being crap. I'd rather give it up and go for Europe. We could spend some money and get some quality players in and win something. Then we'd be saved the shame of admitting our last trophy win was almost 40 years ago. Interesting theory and not as far fetched or outlandish as some would have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom8558 Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Anderlecht received a ban from Europe in the nineties following evidence to prove that they had bribed the ref in their UEFA cup semi with Forest in 84. (just googled it) But they had previous, and a thread on here some ago questioned why Saints had a goal disallowed in the first leg in 77. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Here's a counter question to you Charlie - would you wipe MLT from the history books and never have him known to the future generation of fans IF it meant Cortese stayed here for years and each year brought in a player of the quality of Ramirez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 April, 2013 Share Posted 19 April, 2013 Great question St Charlie, really got me thinking. The FA cup is the one thing we have ever achieved but it was so long ago it's not as important these days. In fact, its a bit embarrassing when people say "when was the last time you won something" and we have to say "1976". It's an admission of being crap. I'd rather give it up and go for Europe. We could spend some money and get some quality players in and win something. Then we'd be saved the shame of admitting our last trophy win was almost 40 years ago. Don't ask a Geordie when they last won something (Championship aside which some will be embarrassed about in the fact that they had been relegated in the first place). They'll be jumping from the Tyne Bridge.......................... or maybe they just did the deal, like the one on offer in the OP, with the Devil already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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