Gemmel Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Unless I am reading that incorrectly - Is that saying our turnover is 21 million? Could possibly be right, given we get the broadcasting money in June and it is based on a financial year ending in March (Although ours doesn't)
View From The Top Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Unless I am reading that incorrectly - Is that saying our turnover is 21 million? Could possibly be right, given we get the broadcasting money in June and it is based on a financial year ending in March (Although ours doesn't) NPC turnover, not EPL.
Olallana Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 West Ham were getting parachute payouts I guess in their turnover figures, what about Reading?? Our figures will be much better balanced in a yrs time I would guess...
St Marco Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Interesting that nearly 60% of our turnover comes from match days. Sort of makes sense why they have been looking at expanding. We have a higher match day % then everyone else.
Olallana Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Interesting that nearly 60% of our turnover comes from match days. Sort of makes sense why they have been looking at expanding. We have a higher match day % then everyone else. Though mainly because we have no big TV-Money in those figures yet...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Interesting that nearly 60% of our turnover comes from match days. Sort of makes sense why they have been looking at expanding. We have a higher match day % then everyone else. That is because our figure is based on a season in the Championship with far less in the way of TV money.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 West Ham were getting parachute payouts I guess in their turnover figures, what about Reading?? Reading didn't have parachute payments last season.
St Marco Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Though mainly because we have no big TV-Money in those figures yet... EDIT: MLG answered it, ta
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Interesting that nearly 60% of our turnover came from match days. Sort of makes sense why they have been looking at expanding. We have a higher match day % then everyone else. there you go, no point looking at out of date figures. NPC revenue has nothing to do with the PL, that's why we're so out of sync.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 26.1 million £ in salaries for an NPC team is astronomical though. Take away the riff-raff and it means that all of our high profile players were probably on at least 20K a week
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 26.1 million £ in salaries for an NPC team is astronomical though. Take away the riff-raff and it means that all of our high profile players were probably on at least 20K a week I'd imagine that figure includes some big bonuses for getting promoted to the Premier League. Had we not been promoted the wage bill would have been lower, which kinda justifies it.
Olallana Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Reading didn't have parachute payments last season. Thanks.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 I'd imagine that figure includes some big bonuses for getting promoted to the Premier League. Had we not been promoted the wage bill would have been lower, which kinda justifies it. probably yes, still a lot of money though, average NPC wage is what about 8K a week ?
View From The Top Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 26.1 million £ in salaries for an NPC team is astronomical though. Take away the riff-raff and it means that all of our high profile players were probably on at least 20K a week Think it's fair to say that there were some hefty bonuses involved.
farawaysaint Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 26.1 million £ in salaries for an NPC team is astronomical though. Take away the riff-raff and it means that all of our high profile players were probably on at least 20K a week West-Ham 46.2... If they hadn't been promoted the following few months would have been interesting.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 West-Ham 46.2... If they hadn't been promoted the following few months would have been interesting. but they had the revenues to pay that and with parachute payments they would still have had. They also probably paid some handsome bonuses for regaining the PL.
dubai_phil Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Tom Dart @Tom_Dart 1h NBC pays $10m/year for MLS, $83m/year for PL, $200m/year for NHL. Perspective: LA Dodgers' local (!) cable TV deal = about $300m/year Retweeted by Matt Slater Obviously we under pay our footballers
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Lol @ QPR Just think, that is before Remy, Samba, Green, César, Park Ji-Sung, Holliet etc etc signed!
Saint Garrett Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 probably yes, still a lot of money though, average NPC wage is what about 8K a week ? You mad? £8k? It's probably closer on average to £15/20k. L1 is probably on average about £6/8k.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Tom Dart @Tom_Dart 1h NBC pays $10m/year for MLS, $83m/year for PL, $200m/year for NHL. Perspective: LA Dodgers' local (!) cable TV deal = about $300m/year Retweeted by Matt Slater Obviously we under pay our footballers but a baseball games last what about 6/7 hours ? Think of the publicity spots that they can fit in and the shîte you have to put up with. With PL it's just a couple of minutes in the middle. If we had "breaks" every 5 minutes filled with adds for cars,frozen peas and dog food the PL could pay a fortune. Never seen such a boring sport as baseball anyway, they only hit the ball about once out of every 20 throws.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Interesting to note the number of relegated Prem sides going for it in year 2 after relegation as well as year 1 now, due to the increased parachutes (and they'll be increasing again next season to £60m over 4 years : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22171365). Now the money is still significant and the revenues are going to be bigger than ever, there's more justification than ever in going for it in the Championship and risking ruin in year 3 (on which note, Middlesbrough are my tip for Championship relegation next season), as there's still a shortfall in contract commitments and parachute money.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 but a baseball games last what about 6/7 hours ? Think of the publicity spots that they can fit in and the shîte you have to put up with. With PL it's just a couple of minutes in the middle. If we had "breaks" every 5 minutes filled with adds for cars,frozen peas and dog food the PL could pay a fortune. Never seen such a boring sport as baseball anyway, they only hit the ball about once out of every 20 throws. I'd be interested to see the numbers of baseball shirts shifted compared to Premier League clubs, NBA and NFL - but I'm pretty sure the american sports shift lots more "other" merchandise than the majority of Prem clubs.
stevegrant Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 26.1 million £ in salaries for an NPC team is astronomical though. Take away the riff-raff and it means that all of our high profile players were probably on at least 20K a week £5.3m of that wage bill was promotion-related bonuses.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 I'd be interested to see the numbers of baseball shirts shifted compared to Premier League clubs, NBA and NFL - but I'm pretty sure the american sports shift lots more "other" merchandise than the majority of Prem clubs. well that's not surprising during NFL games there's an ad for replica kit,caps and various other crap about every other down.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 I think the most significant figures in the charts above are the ones which show Reading and Saints' income to be around £15 and £21m respectively, whilst Wigan's is the lowest of the 2011/12 Prem clubs listed with a turnover of £52.6m, or two and a half times what Saints get. It shows the massive difference in income levels gained by getting to the Prem, even West Ham's turnover figure with their parachute payment is more than double ours.
stevegrant Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 I'd be interested to see the numbers of baseball shirts shifted compared to Premier League clubs, NBA and NFL - but I'm pretty sure the american sports shift lots more "other" merchandise than the majority of Prem clubs. The commercial side of things in terms of supporter revenue (not corporate sponsorship) is abysmal in this country. The match-going fan, as a generalisation, won't buy a lot of the absolute tat that is put on sale in club megastores. Compare that to somewhere like Germany where their ticket prices are generally lower but they spend a fortune on club merchandise.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 £5.3m of that wage bill was promotion-related bonuses. so spreading that over say 30 players/senior football staff that's about 180K£ each. Tax man must have been happy.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 well that's not surprising during NFL games there's an ad for replica kit,caps and various other crap about every other down. I don't think I've ever seen an advert for team merchandise during an NFL/NBA/NHL match in the US, the tv companies are the ones selling the advertising and it's how they make their money. It tends to be the matches themselves (and the branding and association with success) that cause people to buy the merchandise, not direct adverts for the merchandise.
tajjuk Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Norwich made over £4 million from catering last year!
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 The commercial side of things in terms of supporter revenue (not corporate sponsorship) is abysmal in this country. The match-going fan, as a generalisation, won't buy a lot of the absolute tat that is put on sale in club megastores. Compare that to somewhere like Germany where their ticket prices are generally lower but they spend a fortune on club merchandise. I'd be interested to see if it's as simple as in the Prem tv money = wages compared to Merch = wages in America. I've been banging on about how ticket prices and matchday revenue are going to be all but irrelevant in the new tv deal era for a while. What these figures do show is the huge hike in income even now from the Prem tv deals, even for relegated clubs.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Norwich made over £4 million from catering last year! I dare say that's to do with Delia's personal branding... somehow. Is that food counter service or corporate, and how much is non-match day ?
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 I don't think I've ever seen an advert for team merchandise during an NFL/NBA/NHL match in the US, the tv companies are the ones selling the advertising and it's how they make their money. It tends to be the matches themselves (and the branding and association with success) that cause people to buy the merchandise, not direct adverts for the merchandise. no the NFL places some of their own adverts as well. Never seen the Steven Jackson jersey commercial ?
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 As good a time as any to repost a few of the Swiss Ramble classics for comparative purposes :
Saintandy666 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Not too worrying. Norwich made £76m this year, and we are I suppose similar in size at a minimum as to them. With the increase in TV revenue adding at least £14m in revenue for each club next year, I think we can expect our turnover to increase to £100m or so over the next couple of years at least. The difference between the Championship and the Premier League really is astronomical. And we have no debt, which means we would be better able to survive any relegation.
70's Mike Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Irrelevant not up to date figures, trying to compare oranges and lemons
farawaysaint Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Irrelevant not up to date figures' date=' trying to compare oranges and lemons[/quote'] You could remove inflation from the figures and calculate a "real" total if you so choose?
70's Mike Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 You could remove inflation from the figures and calculate a "real" total if you so choose? ours an Reading figures are based on Championship Income/Costs others are Premiership data.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 no the NFL places some of their own adverts as well. Never seen the Steven Jackson jersey commercial ? I'm talking about specific by-club merch, as opposed to generic "league branding", though I suppose plugging their league online store is just a different way of selling shirts and is another difference between the way Premier League and the NFL's teams sell stuff based on the different roles of the organisations.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Irrelevant not up to date figures' date=' trying to compare oranges and lemons[/quote'] Hardly, they're the most up to date Saints figures from 2005-2010 we've got.
The9 Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Norwich made over £4 million from catering last year! I dare say that's to do with Delia's personal branding... somehow. Is that food counter service or corporate, and how much is non-match day ? Answered my own question : http://www.canarycatering.co.uk/ They have two restaurants operating off the back of Delia's name (Delia's Canary Catering is a trading name of Norwich City Football Club PLC). I guess this covers a chunk of their corporate business too.
melmacian_saint Posted 16 April, 2013 Posted 16 April, 2013 Answered my own question : http://www.canarycatering.co.uk/ They have two restaurants operating off the back of Delia's name (Delia's Canary Catering is a trading name of Norwich City Football Club PLC). I guess this covers a chunk of their corporate business too. Nice to use the owner's competitive advantage to the club's benefit. Good on them. I wonder if we could have our own "Saints building society", a joint use of both Cortese and the Liebherr's know-how
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